Flotsam & Jetsam new album pledge drive...

adrian wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

Didn't F&J's last album come out on the former K0rn guy's label (y'know, the dude who left K0rn cuz he found God, whatever his name is)?

And then was picked up by Nuclear Blast

...well, then no wonder they're going the fan-funded route. They've officially run out of labels to sign to, there are none left!!

Big Rich wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

mc666 wrote:

as much as i like the last F&J, i just can't bring myself to buy an album that hasn't been made yet.

I know that's how a lot of people feel. That's why the new Ultimatum we asked Roxx not to do that. Once the album is nearly done, then they will pre-sell special editions of the CD along with chance to win Ultimatum stuff. That way those who pre-order know they will get it quickly and they will get something extra but it doesn't cost any extra than someone purchasing the CD after the fact.

I have no problem with a band like Ultimatum doing this, and would most likely pledge just to help you guys out. But bands like F and J doing this? Nah, they have enough of a following to make a record on their own, or should be able to.

What is "enough fans," though? The Cold sold 600 copies in its first week. That number surely didn't go up from there. In fact, I would bet money in its second week it didn't even sell half as much.

But I bet ten times as many people downloaded it.

I said long ago, when illegal downloading became a serious issue, that bands should start holding albums until they hit a certain number of preorders, that way they can at least reach a number of sales where they break even. Otherwise, they just lose money creating a product that everyone steals. Kickstarter and PledgeMusic are basically the same idea. So I'm all for it, as long as bands do it right.

Eyesore wrote:

Big Rich wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

mc666 wrote:

as much as i like the last F&J, i just can't bring myself to buy an album that hasn't been made yet.

I know that's how a lot of people feel. That's why the new Ultimatum we asked Roxx not to do that. Once the album is nearly done, then they will pre-sell special editions of the CD along with chance to win Ultimatum stuff. That way those who pre-order know they will get it quickly and they will get something extra but it doesn't cost any extra than someone purchasing the CD after the fact.

I have no problem with a band like Ultimatum doing this, and would most likely pledge just to help you guys out. But bands like F and J doing this? Nah, they have enough of a following to make a record on their own, or should be able to.

What is "enough fans," though? The Cold sold 600 copies in its first week. That number surely didn't go up from there. In fact, I would bet money in its second week it didn't even sell half as much.

But I bet ten times as many people downloaded it.

I said long ago, when illegal downloading became a serious issue, that bands should start holding albums until they hit a certain number of preorders, that way they can at least reach a number of sales where they break even. Otherwise, they just lose money creating a product that everyone steals. Kickstarter and PledgeMusic are basically the same idea. So I'm all for it, as long as bands do it right.

Yea I don't mind either. Theres a lot of cool things you can buy as well instead of just a cd. I was iffy on this thing but once the Timo Tolkki and this F&J thing get going I'll be happy to get my autographed cds.

Great point, eyesore.

New pre-production clip.



Sounds really good.

I should get this one. F&J are still missing from my collection.

cool sounds better than those other 2 songs

Think you're post was meant to go here biddle:

biddle wrote:

so what happens if the money is not raised...they seem to be recording already with the assumption that it's gonna happen?

I assume they have to raise 100% of whatever it is they set out to raise or they get nothing and have to start over again with a lower amount of money. At least that is what I assume. I pledge to get a copy of the CD. $15 isn't a bad amount to pay for a new CD.

If they're doing everything on their own, then there are tons of expenses beyond just recording. Album art, mixing, mastering, CD manufacturing, maybe vinyl as well, album promotion, etc.

But I only bought the CD, so the way I look at it is that it's simply a preorder.

I pledged for the CD yesterday. I haven't missed an album yet from these guys, and I don't intend to start now.

I guess that the band are just sick of dealing with lables. They've had a pretty bumpy ride as far as record labels are concerned, but they are still plenty of labels out their who I'm sure would sign them. I've seen other bands go the independent route only to sign again with a label once they saw how hard it was to try to do it yourself. Bands still need labels as far as touring and stuff like that goes.

I liked The Cold so much that I'm tempted to contribute.

DallasBlack wrote:

I liked The Cold so much that I'm tempted to contribute.

Yeah, I still enjoy The Cold quite a bit. Can't wait for the new one

74% there. 41 days left to pledge.

I think they'll make it.

Finally made my pledge for the cd. Can't wait!

Made my pledge for the album and a t-shirt.

Looks like they're at 95% with like 20 days to go.

I just listened to all the clips they have available, sounds like this album will be at least as good as the last two if not better, can't wait!

adrian wrote:

Looks like they're at 95% with like 20 days to go.

I just listened to all the clips they have available, sounds like this album will be at least as good as the last two if not better, can't wait!

Hope they make it. Looking forward to my CD and t-shirt.

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Flotsam and Jetsam: New Album: "Ugly Noise" has reached its target!

Pretty cool.

Their updates suck, though. Haha.

Great news! Can't wait to get my cd!

Eyesore wrote:

Pretty cool.

Their updates suck, though. Haha.

Eh, the only update I need is whether they would make it or not.