Let us be fair for the sake of being fair!

https://www.kcbd.com/2020/03/21/city-lubbock-additional-cases-covid-/


https://www.newschannel10.com/2020/11/13/amarillo-mayor-says-mobile-morgues-needed-over-covid-surge/


https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article247200979.html

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Trying to have an actual discussion with most Democrats is like debating a toddler. They repeat what they hear and inevitably throw a tantrum.

    Hard to talk talk to ya’ll when your so closed minded and don’t believe any media unless it lines up with your views... example: you say it’s a rigged election but can you prove it? If you can the republicans want to hear from ya because court after court says the republicans have no proof and are kicking the cases...  you guys say dems only repeat what the media says.. you ever think maybe it’s the other way around.. most dems have held their  views long before the internet... “fake news” was not even around before trump.. were you yelling fake news and the media is corrupt in the Ronald Reagan years or the George Bush years? Let’s say for the sake of the argument everything you say is true... so what! Won’t change anything.. not enough believe you... America will continue as we always have for all of our lifetimes.. too many corporate giants and 1% earners who will always win no matter what.. Do you really think in your lifetime that you will ever see that change... seriously? The real deal is they control the country, media and the world.. not the president or congress or the dems or republicans ... why doesn’t Obamacare go away? It’s simple: it’s good for business. Why do company’s really leave the states? It’s good for business. Neither are really political... America’s a business: fucking pay me ... that’s reality! How’s that for thinking for myself  ... you guys worry about a socialist country (many socialist ideas are already at work here) but don’t you think the republican senate can stop it? Well, that’s up to those corporations and banks (not any of us) .. the truth is most Americans don’t care... one of the most interesting things I read was how thousands voted but left ALL president boxes blank and only voted for local canidates.. I read a huge amount of Americans don’t favor either candidate .. “ out of millions of Americans these are the best 2 ’s we could come up with” is thought a lot of people are saying but I don’t see that splashed across the headlines of conservative or liberal papers ...

brokentulsa wrote:

https://www.kcbd.com/2020/03/21/city-lubbock-additional-cases-covid-/


https://www.newschannel10.com/2020/11/13/amarillo-mayor-says-mobile-morgues-needed-over-covid-surge/


https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article247200979.html

Your first article is from March. Irrelevant, as it's November, in case you didn't notice.

Your second article is about moving bodies. People die every day. Please show the data on those deaths as being wholly from covid. Lots of claims, with little to no evidence to support said claims.

Third article, again about morgues. Assumption it's wholly due to covid, with no evidence provided that such is the case.

I asked for DATA, not propaganda.

Only 6 companies own almost all of the mainstream news and media. https://www.webfx.com/blog/internet/the-6-companies-that-own-almost-all-media-infographic/

Guess what their agenda and narratives are... yep, far left! Why would they report anything that undermines their grip on society?

Fake news has been around long before Trump in varying degrees... but after 9/11, there has been major misinformation to cover the trails of traitor elites that make international deals. Why not? The billionaire moguls are either in on it or very good buddies with the families that green light that shit!

You see these states like Texas and Florida with large populations of Latinos, they know what’s going on and see the writing on the wall. Especially the Cubans who escaped their communist homeland to be free in America! They know that the left are going down that path... that’s why so many voted for Trump! Little Saigon in California has totally flipped from blue in 2016 to red and voted for Trump this election. They also escaped communism and see the writing on the wall. They know how terrible it is! Don’t fool yourself with your self serving ideas of a socialist utopia. It won’t stop at “socialism”. We would become the antithesis of America and what the forefathers created for us.

Sideshow... if you look at the first article you will see it was updated today... Lubbock news stations update the old story with the new numbers and put it back out there daily.. those news stories and what the health dept tells us is the ONLY info available to the public (below is the health dept link)... here in lubbock we get more info than amarillo puts out... to get the kind of data I think you want you would have to make medical and autopsy records available and that would violate state and federal hippa laws...so that is not happening...

https://cityoflubbock.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/603c276d9c744fe19982f3ccb656be6b

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We would become the antithesis of America and what the forefathers created for us.

Lets say your right... again , so what! There is nothing none of us can do to stop it.. and bad news, a huge amount of Americans don't care about the forfathers ideas... I think its ok for America to change from the beginning days and that the forefathers never expected it to stay as they created it...

“In an 1816 letter to Virginia lawyer Samuel Kercheval on the subject of calling a convention to revise the state's constitution, Jefferson stated that a constitution should be revised every 19 to 20 years. Jefferson's proposed time period was based on the era's mortality rate. Since a majority of adults at any point in time would likely be dead in approximately 19 years, he reasoned, a new generation should have the right to adapt its government to changing circumstances instead of being ruled by the past.”
https://classroom.synonym.com/founding-father-wanted-constitution-change-20-years-11735.html

i would agree with this excert...a new generation should have the right to adapt its government to changing circumstances instead of being ruled by the past.”

brokentulsa wrote:

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We would become the antithesis of America and what the forefathers created for us.

Lets say your right... again , so what! There is nothing none of us can do to stop it.. and bad news, a huge amount of Americans don't care about the forfathers ideas... I think its ok for America to change from the beginning days and that the forefathers never expected it to stay as they created it...

“In an 1816 letter to Virginia lawyer Samuel Kercheval on the subject of calling a convention to revise the state's constitution, Jefferson stated that a constitution should be revised every 19 to 20 years. Jefferson's proposed time period was based on the era's mortality rate. Since a majority of adults at any point in time would likely be dead in approximately 19 years, he reasoned, a new generation should have the right to adapt its government to changing circumstances instead of being ruled by the past.”
https://classroom.synonym.com/founding-father-wanted-constitution-change-20-years-11735.html

i would agree with this excert...a new generation should have the right to adapt its government to changing circumstances instead of being ruled by the past.”

Except the foundations of the constitution should never be changed. Some things are relevant forever. The thought of submitting to corrupt individuals that make changes to harm our freedom is insane. We need unmovable foundations. No flip floppy politics.

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Except the foundations of the constitution should never be changed.

I disagree... I have no problem giving up some freedoms if I think it will make things better for the collective... alot of people feel that way... Fighting covid is an example. I am willing to give up freedoms if it helps save lives and slow the spread.. you know, even in heaven there wont be total individual rights and freedom..

brokentulsa wrote:

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Except the foundations of the constitution should never be changed.

I disagree... I have no problem giving up some freedoms if I think it will make things better for the collective... alot of people feel that way... Fighting covid is an example. I am willing to give up freedoms if it helps save lives and slow the spread.. you know, even in heaven there wont be total individual rights and freedom..

So every time there is a crisis (whether real or manufactured) you will keep giving up your freedom? Tulsa... you might as well get yourself locked up in prison. The way you degrade yourself is a shame. I’m sorry you have emotional scars from your small racist hick town, but going the other extreme is not good either.

Btw...
I wouldn’t compare socialist sacrifices with the joy and splendor of being ruled by God in heaven. Carnal desires are for the flesh.

brokentulsa wrote:

Sideshow... if you look at the first article you will see it was updated today... Lubbock news stations update the old story with the new numbers and put it back out there daily.. those news stories and what the health dept tells us is the ONLY info available to the public (below is the health dept link)... here in lubbock we get more info than amarillo puts out... to get the kind of data I think you want you would have to make medical and autopsy records available and that would violate state and federal hippa laws...so that is not happening...

https://cityoflubbock.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/603c276d9c744fe19982f3ccb656be6b

I will look at the first article a second time.

So, the very data that would support the covid numbers are the very ones no one is allowed to see... Do you not see the problem here? How many times have the mainstream media (ALL of them, including Fox) been caught telling BLATANT lies? But I'm supposed to trust them on covid, and let my freedoms be abridged. 2018, CDC estimates are 2,839,205 deaths. 2019, provisional estimates are 2,855,000. So far this year, current estimates are 2,309,502 through September this year.

Covid Deaths

So, even WITH a deadly pandemic, we're likely to end up with roughly the same number of deaths as in any given previous year...

It's SOOOO deadly (with a mortality rate of 0.6% to 1.5%) and I must be afraid, the TV says. I HAVE to wear a mask, even though doctors have blatantly stated that unless it's a N95 mask, it's useless. Kids can't go to school, regardless of the fact that kids are NOT a vector for the disease, because they'll pass it to GamGam.

brokentulsa wrote:

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Except the foundations of the constitution should never be changed.

I disagree... I have no problem giving up some freedoms if I think it will make things better for the collective... alot of people feel that way... Fighting covid is an example. I am willing to give up freedoms if it helps save lives and slow the spread.. you know, even in heaven there wont be total individual rights and freedom..

Let me state something very clearly: YOU don't get to choose what freedoms "I" lose.  My freedoms are MINE.  This is not a point up for debate, nor is it an argument that must happen.  I decide the course of my life.  YOU don't get to decide that for me.

You want to hand over your freedoms? You go right ahead. I REALLY hope you are educated enough on history to know how that's gonna go for you.

Not to mention Dr. Foul-ci has flip flopped his opinions since the beginning on masks. Some expert...

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This is not a point up for debate, nor is it an argument that must happen.  I decide the course of my life.  YOU don't get to decide that for me

Your totally wrong here... this is up for debate daily regardless of who is in office... from local to state to federal you can lose a freedom at any moment... all it takes is a new law, mandate or city ordinance... just because you don't like it doesn't mean you don't have to obey it... NO One is special or above the law as there are consequences... take a basic one for example: seat belts.. when I was a kid no seat belt laws, no child car seat laws existed in my state .. we had freedom to ride where we wanted and parents had freedom to let their kid ride wherever they wanted... a law comes along and bang! Freedom gone.. started with a fine for violations.. now you can lose your kids over it and wind up in jail.. you see how easy that freedom left.. and the law was not passed by the people but by the Government...

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It's SOOOO deadly (with a mortality rate of 0.6% to 1.5%) and I must be afraid, the TV says. I HAVE to wear a mask, even though doctors have blatantly stated that unless it's a N95 mask, it's useless. Kids can't go to school, regardless of the fact that kids are NOT a vector for the disease, because they'll pass it to GamGam.

I think your wrong here... most drs say mask work.. mask are to protect others from you ..not the other way.. and kids do get it at record rates and do spread it and some are dying from it.. I do believe the local drs, world drs, cdc, who and fauci .... I see it all over the world and hear drs and leaders of all countrys saying the same thing (except trump).. but To each his own... The rules are still there though and there are consequences for not following them and Biden WILL tighten it down and close it down in late Jan.. count on it..

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Not to mention Dr. Foul-ci has flip flopped his opinions since the beginning on masks. Some expert...

Yeah, science works that way... one day a dr thinks one thing is right and science proves something else down the road and the dr changes his view and advice... maybe you dont believe in science?

brokentulsa wrote:

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This is not a point up for debate, nor is it an argument that must happen.  I decide the course of my life.  YOU don't get to decide that for me

Your totally wrong here... this is up for debate daily regardless of who is in office... from local to state to federal you can lose a freedom at any moment... all it takes is a new law, mandate or city ordinance... just because you don't like it doesn't mean you don't have to obey it... NO One is special or above the law as there are consequences... take a basic one for example: seat belts.. when I was a kid no seat belt laws, no child car seat laws existed in my state .. we had freedom to ride where we wanted and parents had freedom to let their kid ride wherever they wanted... a law comes along and bang! Freedom gone.. started with a fine for violations.. now you can lose your kids over it and wind up in jail.. you see how easy that freedom left.. and the law was not passed by the people but by the Government...

You are confusing rights with privileges.  Driving is NOT a right.  It is a privilege.  A privilege comes with regulations as to how it is exercised.  A seatbelt law does not abrogate my freedom to worship.  It does not abrogate my freedom to own a gun.  It does not abrogate an independent media.

brokentulsa wrote:

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It's SOOOO deadly (with a mortality rate of 0.6% to 1.5%) and I must be afraid, the TV says. I HAVE to wear a mask, even though doctors have blatantly stated that unless it's a N95 mask, it's useless. Kids can't go to school, regardless of the fact that kids are NOT a vector for the disease, because they'll pass it to GamGam.

I think your wrong here... most drs say mask work.. mask are to protect others from you ..not the other way.. and kids do get it at record rates and do spread it and some are dying from it.. I do believe the local drs, world drs, cdc, who and fauci .... I see it all over the world and hear drs and leaders of all countrys saying the same thing (except trump).. but To each his own... The rules are still there though and there are consequences for not following them and Biden WILL tighten it down and close it down in late Jan.. count on it..

CDC Pediatrics

"In the United States and globally, fewer cases of COVID-19 have been reported in children (age 0-17 years) compared with adults.1,2 While children comprise 22% of the US population,3 recent data show that 7.3% of all cases of COVID-19 in the United States reported to CDC were among children (as of August 3rd, 2020)."

Children are a FRACTION of the covid numbers.

Covid Pediatrics

"In all other households, the child developed symptoms after or concurrent with adult HHCs, suggesting that the child was not the source of infection and that children most frequently acquire COVID-19 from adults, rather than transmitting it to them."

And again, CHILDREN catch it, RARELY do they GIVE it.

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not abrogate my freedom to worship.  It does not abrogate my freedom to own a gun.  It does not abrogate an independent media.

At any minute a law, mandate or ordinance  could change any of these.. look at gun laws.. when I was a kid we had virtually no gun laws till the brady bill.. we had automatic weapons, semiautos and I as a 10 yo kid went in and bought 4/10 shells by myself at the store plus we didnt have to show IDs to buy guns.. now look at us... they took away your freedom to own a bumpstock a few months ago and gun laws will get tighter and you will lose freedoms over it... and worship? Where has that freedom been violated and who/what are you worried about.. and dont be surprised if independant media is attacked.. Im telling you at any minute you can and will lose freedoms and you will have no legal recourse.. if the government decided to put you in chains right now they will.. Wouldn't you agree the patriot act took alot of rights away and we the people had no say over that...

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"In the United States and globally, fewer cases of COVID-19 have been reported in children (age 0-17 years) compared with adults.1,2 While children comprise 22% of the US population,3 recent data show that 7.3% of all cases of COVID-19 in the United States reported to CDC were among children (as of August 3rd, 2020)."

Children are a FRACTION of the covid numbers.

Covid Pediatrics

"In all other households, the child developed symptoms after or concurrent with adult HHCs, suggesting that the child was not the source of infection and that children most frequently acquire COVID-19 from adults, rather than transmitting it to them."

And again, CHILDREN catch it, RARELY do they GIVE it.

i thought you didn't believe the cdc facts? So lets say 5% of the 7% this states gives it to one adult...then that adult will give it to multiple adults and so on and so on... thats why schools are shut down and should be.. Even before Covid a lot of us  avoid children and parents of children during the flu season so that we don’t get the flu ....

Are you ready to give up your house or place of residence for "reparations" (or some other radical left cause) for as you said... "the greater good"?

Walk the walk!
It's all fun and games on the internet, but i'd like to see how far you'll go.  

brokentulsa wrote:

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"In the United States and globally, fewer cases of COVID-19 have been reported in children (age 0-17 years) compared with adults.1,2 While children comprise 22% of the US population,3 recent data show that 7.3% of all cases of COVID-19 in the United States reported to CDC were among children (as of August 3rd, 2020)."

Children are a FRACTION of the covid numbers.

Covid Pediatrics

"In all other households, the child developed symptoms after or concurrent with adult HHCs, suggesting that the child was not the source of infection and that children most frequently acquire COVID-19 from adults, rather than transmitting it to them."

And again, CHILDREN catch it, RARELY do they GIVE it.

i thought you didn't believe the cdc facts? So lets say 5% of the 7% this states gives it to one adult...then that adult will give it to multiple adults and so on and so on... thats why schools are shut down and should be.. Even before Covid a lot of us  avoid children and parents of children during the flu season so that we don’t get the flu ....

Just gonna ignore where I said I wanted DATA?  I'm rolling with what data I have been presented.

Secondly, did you even bother to read the article stating that children are much more likely to catch it from an adult than to pass it on?  So NO, let's NOT say 5 - 7 % pass it along.  It would be a FRACTION of those percentages.

brokentulsa wrote:

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Not to mention Dr. Foul-ci has flip flopped his opinions since the beginning on masks. Some expert...

Yeah, science works that way... one day a dr thinks one thing is right and science proves something else down the road and the dr changes his view and advice... maybe you dont believe in science?

I’ve been blinded by science!

brokentulsa wrote:

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not abrogate my freedom to worship.  It does not abrogate my freedom to own a gun.  It does not abrogate an independent media.

At any minute a law, mandate or ordinance  could change any of these.. look at gun laws.. when I was a kid we had virtually no gun laws till the brady bill.. we had automatic weapons, semiautos and I as a 10 yo kid went in and bought 4/10 shells by myself at the store plus we didnt have to show IDs to buy guns.. now look at us... they took away your freedom to own a bumpstock a few months ago and gun laws will get tighter and you will lose freedoms over it... and worship? Where has that freedom been violated and who/what are you worried about.. and dont be surprised if independant media is attacked.. Im telling you at any minute you can and will lose freedoms and you will have no legal recourse.. if the government decided to put you in chains right now they will.. Wouldn't you agree the patriot act took alot of rights away and we the people had no say over that...

Worship, media, guns, those were listed as examples of rights. Quit reading shit I didn't say into it. Now that we're on the subject, though, please explain to me why churchgoers are banned from attending in your liberal paradises (Cali, New York, etc). I mean, I can go to Wal-Mart. I can go to a marijuana dispensary. I can go to a BLM protest. I can go to the liquor store. I can even go out in the street to celebrate Joe Biden winning. I can't do the same in protest of the harshness of lockdowns, I can't go to church, I can't go to a hair salon (even though liberal icon Nancy Pelosi can, without fear of reprisal). This is a VERY smart, and VERY selective, virus.....

Don't be surprised if an independent media is attacked CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC <--- you're gonna sit and pretend you have an independent media with those names? Get your news from somewhere OTHER than legacy media. You'll get lied to a LOT less that way.

Sure, the government could try to "put me in chains". I can also resist... I will promise you this. I will die before living on my knees.

Ok, I'm done here. I should never have gotten sucked in to this. Nobody changes anybody else's opinions. It's why I despise politics in general.

How did "being a victim" & "fear" become virtues?

If Kamala Harris is so secure in the belief she is VP, why hasn't she resigned from the Senate?

Why did Joe Biden get 100% support from Wall Street?

How come Joe Biden underperformed Hilary Clinton in EVERY major metropolitan area besides Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia, and Atlanta?

Why is corporate news and tech platforms censoring information?

How is a black person a "racist" based on their job and how they vote?

if statues of slave owners are necessary to be torn down, why do the ones for the founders of Yale, Harvard, and the Prophet Muhammad remain standing?

Where did the Billions of dollars donated to BLM go?

Why do immigrants from Cuba and Venezuela recognize what is coming out of certain politicians mouths?

Now does anybody with critical thinking skills believe globalist politicians have fundamental attachments to party affiliation over their agenda?

What ELSE did Common Core do besides dumb down an entire generation?