Let us be fair for the sake of being fair!

Politifact is funded by the Tampa Bay Times, thus the Poytner Institute. In my opinion they publish material that doesn't require context to be true and content that does require context to be half true. How is something half true? Lying by omission is still lying, right? Calling them biased by naivety pretty much sums it up for me.

The Hill is another source of both progressive and conservative perspectives, each anchor waves the flag for their particular affiliation. The guests come across for the most part in the category of opinion over fact, yet informative enough to get ya going on your own research. Which I recommend everyone do, research both sides and come to your OWN conclusion(s).

I think everything in government is rigged, but I've never seen them rig it front of everybody in the middle of the night.

And people still want to make believe that it's legit. Those people are disingenuous or just dumb.

And that is why I refuse to partake in their "democratic voting process(lol)." Like Stalin said, the people counting the votes decides who wins.

The one good thing about this obvious scam, is it will create more truthers.

Welcome to the club, mother fuckers.

Big Rich wrote:

I think everything in government is rigged, but I've never seen them rig it front of everybody in the middle of the night.

And people still want to make believe that it's legit. Those people are disingenuous or just dumb.

And that is why I refuse to partake in their "democratic voting process(lol)." Like Stalin said, the people counting the votes decides who wins.

The one good thing about this obvious scam, is it will create more truthers.

Welcome to the club, mother fuckers.

I suppose you also believe the earth is flat, the moon landing was staged, actual aliens are preserved in Area 51 and climate change is a hoax? Hell, let's throw in mass shootings being staged by Obama and obviously how 9/11 was an "inside job". Grow up.

Mglaffas81 wrote:

Big Rich wrote:

I think everything in government is rigged, but I've never seen them rig it front of everybody in the middle of the night.

And people still want to make believe that it's legit. Those people are disingenuous or just dumb.

And that is why I refuse to partake in their "democratic voting process(lol)." Like Stalin said, the people counting the votes decides who wins.

The one good thing about this obvious scam, is it will create more truthers.

Welcome to the club, mother fuckers.

I suppose you also believe the earth is flat, the moon landing was staged, actual aliens are preserved in Area 51 and climate change is a hoax? Hell, let's throw in mass shootings being staged by Obama and obviously how 9/11 was an "inside job". Grow up.

The guy yelling at me for my opinion and making shit up about me is telling me to grow up. The irony

Too bad, because  a lion is never concerned about the opinion of sheep.

Big Rich wrote:

Mglaffas81 wrote:

Big Rich wrote:

I think everything in government is rigged, but I've never seen them rig it front of everybody in the middle of the night.

And people still want to make believe that it's legit. Those people are disingenuous or just dumb.

And that is why I refuse to partake in their "democratic voting process(lol)." Like Stalin said, the people counting the votes decides who wins.

The one good thing about this obvious scam, is it will create more truthers.

Welcome to the club, mother fuckers.

I suppose you also believe the earth is flat, the moon landing was staged, actual aliens are preserved in Area 51 and climate change is a hoax? Hell, let's throw in mass shootings being staged by Obama and obviously how 9/11 was an "inside job". Grow up.

The guy yelling at me for my opinion and making shit up about me is telling me to grow up. The irony

Too bad, because  a lion is never concerned about the opinion of sheep.

You pretty much fed me straight lines with your "truther" adherence. Your statements are, at best, beliefs.

Yeah, they're my oponion. Just like I said.

And like any douchey millennial you couldn't handle my opinion.


All while telling me to grow up. Lmao

YOU TRUST THE US GOVERNMENT.

Also, I didn't "feed you" anything. I'd never try to conversate with anybody that trusts any government.

.....

All right, man. I'm sure you think you come off as sensible and cerebral.

Troublezone wrote:

Mglaffas81 wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Lari wrote:

No reputable source has claimed anything funky going on with the counting of votes.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/nov/06/fact-checking-falsehoods-trumps-nov-5-election-rem/

Reputable to who? The “fall in line” people...
There is literally videos of ballot tampering on the internet. But go ahead and believe Disney(ABC), Bloomberg and Ted Turner.

I'll believe Politifact and the like over random people talking about "videos on the internet".

I get that you're very skeptical. But I don't see how you offer any sort of solid contrary evidence. None of us are investigative journalists, and simply disbelieving everything doesn't make you more enlightened.

I think most of us have solid intuitions as to what constitutes "reputable" and what does not.

You can believe whatever you want. It’s your right. I do not trust the MSM. It’s a one sided narrative like every episode of John Oliver, Bill Maher, Trevor Noah, Jimmy Kimmel and SNL.

CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC are the same...

They never say shit about their own (except Bill Maher on occasion). They are all on the same team. Journalists and far left political entertainers. You wouldn’t believe how many people look to guys like John Oliver for political guidance. It’s literally a joke.

Haven't watched any mainstream news in over a decade. My mama taught me never believe people who lie to you. And they lie all the time

Mglaffas81 wrote:

All right, man. I'm sure you think you come off as sensible and cerebral.

Go away.

Big Rich wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Mglaffas81 wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Lari wrote:

No reputable source has claimed anything funky going on with the counting of votes.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/nov/06/fact-checking-falsehoods-trumps-nov-5-election-rem/

Reputable to who? The “fall in line” people...
There is literally videos of ballot tampering on the internet. But go ahead and believe Disney(ABC), Bloomberg and Ted Turner.

I'll believe Politifact and the like over random people talking about "videos on the internet".

I get that you're very skeptical. But I don't see how you offer any sort of solid contrary evidence. None of us are investigative journalists, and simply disbelieving everything doesn't make you more enlightened.

I think most of us have solid intuitions as to what constitutes "reputable" and what does not.

You can believe whatever you want. It’s your right. I do not trust the MSM. It’s a one sided narrative like every episode of John Oliver, Bill Maher, Trevor Noah, Jimmy Kimmel and SNL.

CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC are the same...

They never say shit about their own (except Bill Maher on occasion). They are all on the same team. Journalists and far left political entertainers. You wouldn’t believe how many people look to guys like John Oliver for political guidance. It’s literally a joke.

Haven't watched any mainstream news in over a decade. My mama taught me never believe people who lie to you. And they lie all the time

When I was younger, I thought the media did their job and it was real. Now I know better. It took a while, but now I know there is big money special interest and agendas. Can’t see things the same anymore...
The veil was lifted (so to speak).

Funny how the most hostile dude here isn't even a citizen of the United States. Why do you care so much? You don't live here and really don't matter what you think. Be happy in your socialist country, don't worry yourself so much about our soon to be socialist country.

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Funny how the most hostile dude here isn't even a citizen of the United States. Why do you care so much? You don't live here and really don't matter what you think. Be happy in your socialist country, don't worry yourself so much about our soon to be socialist country.

I can with utmost confidence say, that your prediction will not happen. Biden is one of the most conservative, establishment-friendly democrats going into a presidency with a republican-majority senate. Nothing will fundamentally change. There'll be trump-era rollbacks and a few incremental changes, probably - but nothing coming close to what you're for some reason fearing. If you think a Biden presidency is going to get you anywhere remotely near Scandinavian conditions, you are seriously off the mark.

I care because I'm interested in the world around me and the US has major influence in world affairs. That shouldn't really have to be pointed out.

Look up liberal socialism and the nordic model, instead of using blanket, generic terms. It's probably vastly different than you realize.

You can dismiss my views based on the fact that I don't live in your country if you want. Not sure how rational that is - if you're telling me that the opinions of right-wing, conspiracy-theorist nut jobs (MAGA guys) matter more, I guess you're technically right, since they can vote - doesn't make their thoughts worth much, though.

I don't see how I'm any more "hostile" than the users on the other side of the argument, talking about a fraudulent farce of an election with no evidence.

Troublezone wrote:

Big Rich wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Mglaffas81 wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Lari wrote:

No reputable source has claimed anything funky going on with the counting of votes.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/nov/06/fact-checking-falsehoods-trumps-nov-5-election-rem/

Reputable to who? The “fall in line” people...
There is literally videos of ballot tampering on the internet. But go ahead and believe Disney(ABC), Bloomberg and Ted Turner.

I'll believe Politifact and the like over random people talking about "videos on the internet".

I get that you're very skeptical. But I don't see how you offer any sort of solid contrary evidence. None of us are investigative journalists, and simply disbelieving everything doesn't make you more enlightened.

I think most of us have solid intuitions as to what constitutes "reputable" and what does not.

You can believe whatever you want. It’s your right. I do not trust the MSM. It’s a one sided narrative like every episode of John Oliver, Bill Maher, Trevor Noah, Jimmy Kimmel and SNL.

CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC are the same...

They never say shit about their own (except Bill Maher on occasion). They are all on the same team. Journalists and far left political entertainers. You wouldn’t believe how many people look to guys like John Oliver for political guidance. It’s literally a joke.

Haven't watched any mainstream news in over a decade. My mama taught me never believe people who lie to you. And they lie all the time

When I was younger, I thought the media did their job and it was real. Now I know better. It took a while, but now I know there is big money special interest and agendas. Can’t see things the same anymore...
The veil was lifted (so to speak).

I never fully trusted them but I surely trusted them more as a young person than I do now. Once I realized how dishonest they were with their coverage of 9-11, Ive never trusted one thing they've said since. Watching them.for 5 minutes makes me physically angry.

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Funny how the most hostile dude here isn't even a citizen of the United States. Why do you care so much? You don't live here and really don't matter what you think. Be happy in your socialist country, don't worry yourself so much about our soon to be socialist country.

It's not shocking that he's also a brainwashed lefty and the most hostile person here. That goes hand in hand

Mglaffas81 wrote:

I don't see how I'm any more "hostile" than the users on the other side of the argument, talking about a fraudulent farce of an election with no evidence.

Funny how the same people said the Trump election was rigged are now saying there's no way this election was fixed. There was no evidence of any Russian interference in the Trump election. Which tons of tax dollars were wasted on. You're no more interested in American politics because you're interested in the world around you. Save that crock of bs for whoever you think you're fooling. If you were truly interested in the so called good of the world around you there'd be sensible discussion of how we can all work together to make the world better. Not all this Trump bad blah blah blah talk.

nevermore wrote:

Mglaffas81 wrote:

I don't see how I'm any more "hostile" than the users on the other side of the argument, talking about a fraudulent farce of an election with no evidence.

Funny how the same people said the Trump election was rigged are now saying there's no way this election was fixed. There was no evidence of any Russian interference in the Trump election. Which tons of tax dollars were wasted on. You're no more interested in American politics because you're interested in the world around you. Save that crock of bs for whoever you think you're fooling. If you were truly interested in the so called good of the world around you there'd be sensible discussion of how we can all work together to make the world better. Not all this Trump bad blah blah blah talk.

personally, I think they ought to have to classify the mainstream media coverage as campaign donations to Biden...

Mglaffas81 wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Funny how the most hostile dude here isn't even a citizen of the United States. Why do you care so much? You don't live here and really don't matter what you think. Be happy in your socialist country, don't worry yourself so much about our soon to be socialist country.

I can with utmost confidence say, that your prediction will not happen. Biden is one of the most conservative, establishment-friendly democrats going into a presidency with a republican-majority senate. Nothing will fundamentally change. There'll be trump-era rollbacks and a few incremental changes, probably - but nothing coming close to what you're for some reason fearing. If you think a Biden presidency is going to get you anywhere remotely near Scandinavian conditions, you are seriously off the mark.

I care because I'm interested in the world around me and the US has major influence in world affairs. That shouldn't really have to be pointed out.

Look up liberal socialism and the nordic model, instead of using blanket, generic terms. It's probably vastly different than you realize.

You can dismiss my views based on the fact that I don't live in your country if you want. Not sure how rational that is - if you're telling me that the opinions of right-wing, conspiracy-theorist nut jobs (MAGA guys) matter more, I guess you're technically right, since they can vote - doesn't make their thoughts worth much, though.

I don't see how I'm any more "hostile" than the users on the other side of the argument, talking about a fraudulent farce of an election with no evidence.

Why do you have such good vibes and confidence in Biden? He is a 47 year career politician that is bought and paid for by big tech and the Chinese. Did you even truly research his past? It’s so easy and safe to go with the flow of the collective globalist narrative. The constant media propaganda and altered subconscious thinking. The cowards will always turn a blind eye for the illusion of peace and safety. There is so many Judas traitors taking a nice paycheck instead of caring about the future consequences.

Big Rich wrote:

Mglaffas81 wrote:

All right, man. I'm sure you think you come off as sensible and cerebral.

Go away.

Mglaffas81 wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Funny how the most hostile dude here isn't even a citizen of the United States. Why do you care so much? You don't live here and really don't matter what you think. Be happy in your socialist country, don't worry yourself so much about our soon to be socialist country.

I can with utmost confidence say, that your prediction will not happen. "Biden is one of the most conservative, establishment-friendly democrats going into a presidency with a republican-majority senate." Nothing will fundamentally change. There'll be trump-era rollbacks and a few incremental changes, probably - but nothing coming close to what you're for some reason fearing. If you think a Biden presidency is going to get you anywhere remotely near Scandinavian conditions, you are seriously off the mark.

I care because I'm interested in the world around me and the US has major influence in world affairs. That shouldn't really have to be pointed out.

Look up liberal socialism and the nordic model, instead of using blanket, generic terms. It's probably vastly different than you realize.

You can dismiss my views based on the fact that I don't live in your country if you want. Not sure how rational that is - if you're telling me that the opinions of right-wing, conspiracy-theorist nut jobs (MAGA guys) matter more, I guess you're technically right, since they can vote - doesn't make their thoughts worth much, though.

I don't see how I'm any more "hostile" than the users on the other side of the argument, talking about a fraudulent farce of an election with no evidence.

I'm an independent, but let me just pick on that line right there.  Spoken like someone that doesn't know JACK SHIT about Biden.  The man has NEVER held a principled belief in HIS LIFE.  He will flip and he will flop.  His crime bill he was so proud of; he disavows that now (nevermind it is the ONLY thing in his political background that he's actually done). He is a typical "Empty Suit" politician that will sway with the political wind as much as he needs to.  He's been lying to the American public for 40+ years.  First presidential run, ended because he was caught plagiarizing others speeches.  He was nearly thrown out of Uni for plagiarism. If you think he's a bulwark against radicalism, you obviously have never studied the man in depth.

Let's also not forget when he said "No, they don't deserv...." and caught himself when asked about court packing, and if the American public had a right to know what he wanted to do. THAT is what he thinks of the American public.

Oh, let me also ask.  Joe Biden has never been ANYTHING but a politician, elected to the Senate at 29 years old.  How is it he's INCREDIBLY wealthy now?  I mean, if he's this honest bastion of Washington normalcy and all...

All this, and no one has acknowledged the other elephant in the room.  How long will Joe ACTUALLY be president?  The man has dementia.  Denying it doesn't change it. Suggesting it's a "childhood stutter" that has rebounded SIXTY YEARS later is dishonest.  Pretending it's simply a "gaffe" is also dishonest. He's old, he's frail, and his mind is failing.

Kamala Harris is FAR left. As in, the MOST left of all in the Senate, Comrade Sanders included. She IS going to be president, and sooner rather than later. Anyone care to guess which way HER political winds blow?

SideShowDisaSter wrote:

All this, and no one has acknowledged the other elephant in the room.  How long will Joe ACTUALLY be president?  The man has dementia.  Denying it doesn't change it. Suggesting it's a "childhood stutter" that has rebounded SIXTY YEARS later is dishonest.  Pretending it's simply a "gaffe" is also dishonest. He's old, he's frail, and his mind is failing.

Kamala Harris is FAR left.  As in, the MOST left of all in the Senate, Comrade Sanders included.  She IS going to be president, and sooner rather than later.  Anyone care to guess which way HER political winds blow?

She scares me more than the imbecile that we now have as a president elect. I'd be shocked if Biden makes it past the inauguration lol I'm still praying for some legal miracle Trump will pull off to put a stop to this nightmare, but I know it's a very small chance. If I had the means I'd be moving out of the country. My America is dead, I have no love for what it's become.

personally I am Glad the dems won and trump is out.. I helped with that    I did not like trump ever... I think Biden will make the whole 4 years and really like him and the ideas he laid out and I like K Harris as well... Hoping the USA goes more socialistic...  I now have some hope and love towards my country

SideShowDisaSter wrote:

Kamala Harris is FAR left.  As in, the MOST left of all in the Senate, Comrade Sanders included.  She IS going to be president, and sooner rather than later.  Anyone care to guess which way HER political winds blow?

 


Well, that's just not true.

I'm aware of Biden's past - and my prediction is, that he'll appease the Republicans as much as possible (what he refers to as "cooperation").


Anyway, I truly am done with this discussion now - however amusing it may be to witness all this nonsense.