Let us be fair for the sake of being fair!

Mglaffas81 wrote:

SideShowDisaSter wrote:

Kamala Harris is FAR left.  As in, the MOST left of all in the Senate, Comrade Sanders included.  She IS going to be president, and sooner rather than later.  Anyone care to guess which way HER political winds blow?

 


Well, that's just not true.

I'm aware of Biden's past - and my prediction is, that he'll appease the Republicans as much as possible (what he refers to as "cooperation").


Anyway, I truly am done with this discussion now - however amusing it may be to witness all this nonsense.

Well, then that must be so huh?

Gonna come back here and take your lumps when you've been proven exactly wrong? Doubtful

brokentulsa wrote:

Hoping the USA goes more socialistic...  I now have some hope and love towards my country

WOW!!! I've got nothing more to say, but WOW!

Mglaffas81 wrote:

SideShowDisaSter wrote:

Kamala Harris is FAR left.  As in, the MOST left of all in the Senate, Comrade Sanders included.  She IS going to be president, and sooner rather than later.  Anyone care to guess which way HER political winds blow?

 


Well, that's just not true.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/kamala-harris-most-liberal-senator-fact-check/index.html

CNN: Harris one of the MOST liberal as far as voting record in the Senate.  Not true, hey?  Care to try again?

Wrecked Neck wrote:

brokentulsa wrote:

Hoping the USA goes more socialistic...  I now have some hope and love towards my country

WOW!!! I've got nothing more to say, but WOW!

If memory serves me correctly? He is with a woman almost old enough to be his mother and is disabled. He stays home to care for her. The following is speculation of course, yet fits the parameters of most (if not all) pushing Socialism/Communism (mileage will/may vary in desired term) in America.

Under Biden, eventually Harris Administration, the government will cONTINUE to provide for every need at no cost to them. So the chump change the government provides in cash allotment after other government subsidies covers housing, utilitids, medical, and food can be spent on recreational endeavors. Use your imagination to guess the endless possibilities there. Most fail to realize that the old and the sick hold no merit in a Socialist system regardless of the verbiage used to call it something other than what it really is Marx and Engols were clear and specific about the outcomes of practice and theory of utilizing their system in whole or in part.

Wrecked Neck wrote:

brokentulsa wrote:

Hoping the USA goes more socialistic...  I now have some hope and love towards my country

WOW!!! I've got nothing more to say, but WOW!

He’s a Soros guy.
Your demise is for the greater good. Depopulate with a smile.
I suspect the Georgia Guidestones are his “Ten Commandments”.

SideShowDisaSter wrote:

Mglaffas81 wrote:

SideShowDisaSter wrote:

Kamala Harris is FAR left.  As in, the MOST left of all in the Senate, Comrade Sanders included.  She IS going to be president, and sooner rather than later.  Anyone care to guess which way HER political winds blow?

 


Well, that's just not true.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/kamala-harris-most-liberal-senator-fact-check/index.html

CNN: Harris one of the MOST liberal as far as voting record in the Senate.  Not true, hey?  Care to try again?

Everything he says is foolish nonsense from the collective “fall in line” socialist mentality of Denmark. Denial is easier than admitting you are wrong or even considering you made a mistake.

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If memory serves me correctly? He is with a woman almost old enough to be his mother and is disabled. He stays home to care for her. The following is speculation of course, yet fits the parameters of most (if not all) pushing Socialism/Communism (mileage will/may vary in desired term) in America.

Under Biden, eventually Harris Administration, the government will cONTINUE to provide for every need at no cost to them. So the chump change the government provides in cash allotment after other government subsidies covers housing, utilitids, medical, and food can be spent on recreational endeavors. Use your imagination to guess the endless possibilities there. Most fail to realize that the old and the sick hold no merit in a Socialist system regardless of the verbiage used to call it something other than what it really is Marx and Engols were clear and specific about the outcomes of practice and theory of utilizing their system in whole or in part.

 wow...let me help you out  ...Yes, my wife (of 25 years)  is a little older than me but not that old and yes she does have a disability (bipolar disorder) but we have insurance and we pay the premiums and the deductibles ourselves with our OWN money like EVERYONE else.. We pay our rent, bills, food and "recreational endeavors" with our OWN money and we take no Government assist... And no, I don't work a convention job but I do work from home and we make money... and yes, I do take care of my wife (don't you take care of your wife/family)...
Trump got 71,444,567 votes (47.5%) which is impressive and Biden got 76,343,332 votes (50.8%) which is also impressive... Not all of Joes 76 million voters  "fits the parameters" of your BS comment..some may but guess what, some of Trumps voter also fit the parameters you laid out... Many of Bidens voters just want a different world where we work together for the benifit of everyone (not just a select few like trump wants) and some may just hate Trump.. Some were republicans who say Trump hijacked their party and want him out of it...People of all ages, education, race, religions and social status voted for Joe just like Trump... This nationalist idea that you guys push is absolute crap and is selfish and arrogant... Get real, Trump has made it clear he is not a president for ALL American people but just a select few and has done very little to help everyone but alot to help his elect...

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He’s a Soros guy.
Your demise is for the greater good. Depopulate with a smile. Smile
I suspect the Georgia Guidestones are his “Ten Commandments”.

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Everything he says is foolish nonsense from the collective “fall in line” socialist mentality of Denmark. Denial is easier than admitting you are wrong or even considering you made a mistake.

 wow Troublezone,, you comments are foolish and make you look like an arrogant jackass
you don't know what the hell you are talking about and make assumptions on subjects you know nothing about... no one wants the demise of anyone except Trump and his supporters who have shown through there selfish self-centered BS that human life means nothing to them and that $$$ and their own selfish asses are all that matter...
If you guys don't know the difference between socialism and communism then your more uneducated and foolish than I hoped... Socialism and Communism are 2 totally different things and as I have stated before we need  socialism and some capitalist ways mixed together (which is what we already have going)..there is nothing wrong about taxing corporations and the top 1% more and using the money for better education, infrastructure & healthcare for all (a right,not a privilege)...there is nothing wrong with wanting to work with the rest of the planet to solve covid and a host of other problems...When we ALL work together we are a better country and better people... You guys might be nice guys in person but your comments make you seem like Selfish, self-centered arrogant jerks (and this  fits the parameters of most (if not all) pushing Trumpism

brokentulsa wrote:

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If memory serves me correctly? He is with a woman almost old enough to be his mother and is disabled. He stays home to care for her. The following is speculation of course, yet fits the parameters of most (if not all) pushing Socialism/Communism (mileage will/may vary in desired term) in America.

Under Biden, eventually Harris Administration, the government will cONTINUE to provide for every need at no cost to them. So the chump change the government provides in cash allotment after other government subsidies covers housing, utilitids, medical, and food can be spent on recreational endeavors. Use your imagination to guess the endless possibilities there. Most fail to realize that the old and the sick hold no merit in a Socialist system regardless of the verbiage used to call it something other than what it really is Marx and Engols were clear and specific about the outcomes of practice and theory of utilizing their system in whole or in part.

 wow...let me help you out  ...Yes, my wife (of 25 years)  is a little older than me but not that old and yes she does have a disability (bipolar disorder) but we have insurance and we pay the premiums and the deductibles ourselves with our OWN money like EVERYONE else.. We pay our rent, bills, food and "recreational endeavors" with our OWN money and we take no Government assist... And no, I don't work a convention job but I do work from home and we make money... and yes, I do take care of my wife (don't you take care of your wife/family)...
Trump got 71,444,567 votes (47.5%) which is impressive and Biden got 76,343,332 votes (50.8%) which is also impressive... Not all of Joes 76 million voters  "fits the parameters" of your BS comment..some may but guess what, some of Trumps voter also fit the parameters you laid out... Many of Bidens voters just want a different world where we work together for the benifit of everyone (not just a select few like trump wants) and some may just hate Trump.. Some were republicans who say Trump hijacked their party and want him out of it...People of all ages, education, race, religions and social status voted for Joe just like Trump... This nationalist idea that you guys push is absolute crap and is selfish and arrogant... Get real, Trump has made it clear he is not a president for ALL American people but just a select few and has done very little to help everyone but alot to help his elect...

Many of Biden’s votes are suspected to be fraudulent. Several people have come forth with affidavits declaring fraudulent activity. There is evidence of the computer software siphoning votes to Biden. Not to mention the mathematically impossible amount of Biden only votes after voting was supposed to have stopped. The ballots were also just a vote for Biden (no other boxes checked). Improperly mailed ballots with non matching signatures and late post dates. The MSM is working with the Dems and big tech money to undermine and steal the election. You say Trump is selfish and only wants to help a few? That’s not what Ice Cube said about his collaboration with Trump for the Platinum Plan. It was set to disperse billions into the black community. He said Biden brushed him off when he approached the Dems. Open borders does nothing but flood the system with too many people and burdens the tax paying citizens. Also I suspect the healthcare quality will plummet with a socialized system. I’ve been to a few community clinics in the past and it is terrible. Shitty doctors that don’t care.

That’s why the courts are Consistently throwing out trumps cases because they keep saying there’s no proof and Trump is not proving a damn thing... You can keep yelling  voter fraud like all the rest of the Trumper’s but at the end of the day Biden is going to be the president and Trump’s gonna be out the door

brokentulsa wrote:

That’s why the courts are Consistently throwing out trumps cases because they keep saying there’s no proof and Trump is not proving a damn thing... You can keep yelling  voter fraud like all the rest of the Trumper’s but at the end of the day Biden is going to be the president and Trump’s gonna be out the door

No, that was the corrupt Pennsylvania lower court. Attorney General Bill Barr authorized the DoJ to investigate. Next step the Supreme Court!

Biden will take dead votes!

Supreme court... ha ha won’t happen  no one is scared  of Barr... The doj is not finding anything that would change the election but you keep on hoping

brokentulsa wrote:

Supreme court... ha ha won’t happen  no one is scared  of Barr... The doj is not finding anything that would change the election but you keep on hoping

You’re in denial. It’s going to the Supreme Court. The DoJ has just started. Shows how much you know! Your MSM will not inform you that it’s gaining traction.

I'm just glad it's over. Our household voted by mail and voted for Biden. My 19 year old daughter voted for the first time and she was excited. She is one who voted only Biden with no other boxes checked. She had no interest in anything else and because she voted only for Biden does not mean her ballot is questionable. We were able to track our ballots, much like tracking a UPS package. We got confirmation when they were delivered and even when they were counted 20 something days early. Florida changed their rules after the 2000 election and early votes are now counted early. Florida did a good job by staying out of controversy this year.

And now that the election is over I am seeing more Biden signs in yards, put up after the election. I don't have one in mine as I think they are clutter and don't like clutter in the yard.

This one broke it for me:

Trump claimed that the cost of insulin is now so low, it’s practically free.

“I’m getting it for so cheap, it’s like water,” he said. “You want to know the truth? So cheap.”

Like water.

I paid $1725 for a 90 day supply of life saving insulin for my child. She can't help that she is diabetic, it is an autoimmune disease.

In contrast:

Pallets of water

So I can buy around 3.5 pallets of water for $1725. I guess it IS the same price as water!

The bottom line is we are all brothers here. I enjoy everyone's company and I hate to see politics divide us.

I vote on issues that impact my household - Alex Azar is responsible for the high cost of insulin. I knew it would not change with him as leader of HHS. Union rights. Big one with me as I work in a union facility and we negotiate fair wages, vacation time and healthcare. While I did pay $1725 for the first 2 90 days supplies of insulin, last time it was $75.

I am a gun owner and have never had a problem buying guns or ammo with a Democratic President. That is a myth. If you are a law abiding citizen you have the right to own a gun.

I am not here to change anyone's mind. Nor is anyone here going to change minds. Again, you guys are like brothers and I always enjoy the rock and metal discussions. So I'll check out for now. God bless all of you.

mikeinfla wrote:

I'm just glad it's over. Our household voted by mail and voted for Biden. My 19 year old daughter voted for the first time and she was excited. She is one who voted only Biden with no other boxes checked. She had no interest in anything else and because she voted only for Biden does not mean her ballot is questionable. We were able to track our ballots, much like tracking a UPS package. We got confirmation when they were delivered and even when they were counted 20 something days early. Florida changed their rules after the 2000 election and early votes are now counted early. Florida did a good job by staying out of controversy this year.

And now that the election is over I am seeing more Biden signs in yards, put up after the election. I don't have one in mine as I think they are clutter and don't like clutter in the yard.  

This one broke it for me:

Trump claimed that the cost of insulin is now so low, it’s practically free.

“I’m getting it for so cheap, it’s like water,” he said. “You want to know the truth? So cheap.”

Like water.

I paid $1725 for a 90 day supply of life saving insulin for my child. She can't help that she is diabetic, it is an autoimmune disease.

In contrast:

Pallets of water

So I can buy around 3.5 pallets of water for $1725. I guess it IS the same price as water!

The bottom line is we are all brothers here. I enjoy everyone's company and I hate to see politics divide us.

I vote on issues that impact my household - Alex Azar is responsible for the high cost of insulin. I knew it would not change with him as leader of HHS. Union rights. Big one with me as I work in a union facility and we negotiate fair wages, vacation time and healthcare. While I did pay $1725 for the first 2 90 days supplies of insulin, last time it was $75.

I am a gun owner and have never had a problem buying guns or ammo with a Democratic President. That is a myth. If you are a law abiding citizen you have the right to own a gun.

I am not here to change anyone's mind. Nor is anyone here going to change minds. Again, you guys are like brothers and I always enjoy the rock and metal discussions. So I'll check out for now. God bless all of you.

I’m not saying that there weren’t some ballots that were “president only” (no other boxes). I’m saying that a flood of them came suspiciously overnight, and they were all just for Biden. That is extremely improbable in such a close race. There should of at least been a few here and there for Trump sprinkled in...

No disrespect to you... you’ve always been a cool guy here. Thanks for your input.

Oh and btw...

It wasn’t the whole election and every state that had problems with counting. It was just the battleground swing states. Trump was way ahead in most of them. There is no transparency for us citizens. We are left to blindly trust that everything goes legally. Why did Wisconsin have more ballots than voters? Some big cities in Pennsylvania like Pittsburgh have a reputation for corruption with voting and politics in general (not only in this election) but many in the past. No surprise... it’s a big teamster union territory.

And why did Fox News call AZ so early? No one thinks that is suspicious? A so called conservative outlet. It’s proof there is backstabbing and manipulation. The media doesn’t have the authority to decide who wins! Not all the votes were even counted. Biden sure was “we must wait for all the votes to be counted” when he was behind Trump...

mikeinfla wrote:

I'm just glad it's over.

This for me too. Except it's not over. And I don't mean all of Trump's legal maneuvering. I'm talking about the Georgia Senate races. There are going to be two runoff elections in Georgia in January and I sure hope the GOP wins those. Not because I'm some ardent rightwing supporter but because I believe our government functions best ("best" being an EXTREMELY relative term when referring to "government") when neither party controls the House, the Senate AND the Presidency. IMO, our system needs the checks and balances both parties have on each other so the GOP needs to hold the Senate.

I don't think it's ever good when either party has a monopoly on the government.

tohostudios wrote:

mikeinfla wrote:

I'm just glad it's over.

This for me too.  Except it's not over.  And I don't mean all of Trump's legal maneuvering.  I'm talking about the Georgia Senate races.  There are going to be two runoff elections in Georgia in January and I sure hope the GOP wins those.  Not because I'm some ardent rightwing supporter but because I believe our government functions best ("best" being an EXTREMELY relative term when referring to "government") when neither party controls the House, the Senate AND the Presidency.  IMO, our system needs the checks and balances both parties have on each other so the GOP needs to hold the Senate.  

I don't think it's ever good when either party has a monopoly on the government.

I agree toho. There needs to always be a balance to help keep things “in check”. I also just heard that North Carolina finally is an official Trump win. They were dragging their feet on that!

mikeinfla wrote:

I'm just glad it's over. Our household voted by mail and voted for Biden. My 19 year old daughter voted for the first time and she was excited. She is one who voted only Biden with no other boxes checked. She had no interest in anything else and because she voted only for Biden does not mean her ballot is questionable. We were able to track our ballots, much like tracking a UPS package. We got confirmation when they were delivered and even when they were counted 20 something days early. Florida changed their rules after the 2000 election and early votes are now counted early. Florida did a good job by staying out of controversy this year.

And now that the election is over I am seeing more Biden signs in yards, put up after the election. I don't have one in mine as I think they are clutter and don't like clutter in the yard.  

This one broke it for me:

Trump claimed that the cost of insulin is now so low, it’s practically free.

“I’m getting it for so cheap, it’s like water,” he said. “You want to know the truth? So cheap.”

Like water.

I paid $1725 for a 90 day supply of life saving insulin for my child. She can't help that she is diabetic, it is an autoimmune disease.

In contrast:

Pallets of water

So I can buy around 3.5 pallets of water for $1725. I guess it IS the same price as water!

The bottom line is we are all brothers here. I enjoy everyone's company and I hate to see politics divide us.

I vote on issues that impact my household - Alex Azar is responsible for the high cost of insulin. I knew it would not change with him as leader of HHS. Union rights. Big one with me as I work in a union facility and we negotiate fair wages, vacation time and healthcare. While I did pay $1725 for the first 2 90 days supplies of insulin, last time it was $75.

I am a gun owner and have never had a problem buying guns or ammo with a Democratic President. That is a myth. If you are a law abiding citizen you have the right to own a gun.

I am not here to change anyone's mind. Nor is anyone here going to change minds. Again, you guys are like brothers and I always enjoy the rock and metal discussions. So I'll check out for now. God bless all of you.

I have no beef with you, but its really shocking to read that ANYONE wants more socialism here. I come to expect it from the brainwashed teens and the twenty somethings of the country, but not someone your age. Go visit Venezuela if you wanna see socialism at work, then come back and tell us all how much more you want.

Far as your gun argument goes, you couldn't be more wrong. If not for organizations like the NRA, our rights would have been gone decades ago. They are constantly trying to take our guns away. Biden himself has said several times he's going to take out AR-15's, except his senile old ass actually said AR-14's. They've been trying to bankrupt the NRA for years with bogus lawsuits because they know if they go away, it's that much easier to stomp all over our rights. I could go on, but it's been talked to death and I'm tired.

Anyways, like I said I have no hard feelings towards anyone here. I try not to post much, or even read these types of threads because they always get heated. So, I'm most likely done in this thread too. At least until I read some other crazy statement from somebody else wanting to give their freedom away.

My theory is that all of this is designed to cover up how much money the elite and their politicians have stolen from America.

The truth is coming so they have to make us hate each other.


What better way to do that than to make the left riot and loot even more? They will soon pull the rug out from under the left and give the election to Trump. This is why they made the rigging so obvious this time.

This will cause the left to lose their minds. Destroying property and small business all over the country. Keeping the country nice and divided. All while they keep the war machine turning and their pockets full of stolen cash.

Hey Mike, this isn't over.

The media doesn't call elections.

Certification

Tulsa...

I did say "speculation" and did not say it is what you do, but more along with what you want.

I recall you being happy with the ACA when it passed, something about cheaper premiums and medication costs. EVERYONE pays a premium through the Exchange. Income determines what percentage is paid by taxpayers depending on the teir of coverage chosen. What too many people fail to realize and/or just don't  care is the ACA caused premiums and deductibles to go up for everybody else. It became those paying less getting more at the expense of others and those paying more, getting less at their own expense.

This is a perfect example of regulated equity of outcome over equality through opportunity.  If the government keeps taking from the haves and giving to the have nots, the haves spilt the scene and the government then takes from the have nots. Quality of life plummets cause something has to be produced for any subsiding to exist in any type of system. Being vested, viable, and sustainable is something Socialism has yet to accomplish in the long term. It always eats itself.