Let us be fair for the sake of being fair!

Of course BLM and Antifa should not get a pass. That has been very frustrating and infuriating. I'm simply stating in THIS case what I think: these people do not represent me.

I totally agree Scott.

I just think this is the right-wing version of radicalism. And I find it really hard to believe that all the people committing violence in this instance are leftist radicals "in disguise". I mean if you're paranoid you'd say "that's what they want you to think" but c'mon...

Like I said nowadays probably no conspiracy is impossible but that seems like a stretch IMO.

tohostudios wrote:

Initial reports are that she was shot by police.  But regardless, in all the chaos created by these people she may have been shot by accident or on purpose by anyone in the crowd.  A crowd created because of this misbegotten "storm the capitol building idea".  There were thousands of people there and if all of them are Antifa undercover than America has an even more serious problem on its hands.  

Personally I don't believe that but the way things are now I suppose anything is possible.

Of coarse not every other person is Antifa undercover! But the news cameras were just fixed on the crowds on the capital steps and the rogue groups storming the doors. Most Trump supporters were protesting peacefully among the thousands in the background. Hopefully they can identity the people that breached the building and go from there. Maybe the lady that died was not a Trump supporter. Who knows...

scottmitchell74 wrote:

Of course BLM and Antifa should not get a pass. That has been very frustrating and infuriating. I'm simply stating in THIS case what I think: these people do not represent me.

They don’t represent me either. I don’t want to give the media lapdogs another excuse to slander patriots.

Fine TZ, you think all the violence wasn't committed by Trump "extremists" but was actually done by "leftists in disguise". I think that's really a reach and I think it was just plain, old "Trump extremists". We disagree and that's fine because I seriously doubt there's any way to prove it one way or the other.

Right now I think the country has a bigger issue to worry about anyway. One party now apparently has total control of the government. I hate that regardless of which party has the control because the checks and balances are severely limited.

tohostudios wrote:

Fine TZ, you think all the violence wasn't committed by Trump "extremists" but was actually done by "leftists in disguise".  I think that's really a reach and I think it was just plain, old "Trump extremists".  We disagree and that's fine because I seriously doubt there's any way to prove it one way or the other.

I don’t know why you believe that, but that’s okay.. We’ll disagree! And let me make it clear that I don’t think everyone on the right is innocent. That’s the same knee jerk reaction a conservative deals with these days.

But that said, maybe it’s just me... but the only destruction I’ve seen this year is from the left. This isn’t about the lone wolf psychos in the news a few years ago like Dylan Roof etc...

It’s just the constant media warnings about the “Proud Boys” or Boogaloos. I’ve seen ZERO terrorist attacks from those groups thus far. And I do not support them! I’m just making a point.

It sucks that we are so polarized. When we are talking outside of music on these inflammatory topics, it never ends well!

But someone always reignites this thread. I tried to stay away for a while... but it’s hard to ignore some comments!

I try my best to NOT be inflammatory especially because I'm libertarian and kind of in the middle. I see a lot of valid points on both the conservative and the liberal side.

But you're right, it seems the days of civilized discourse are long gone.

Scott and toho,

I respect both of you guys. I’m just gonna drop it for now.

Peace!

Same here TZ.

You are entitled to your opinions just like I'm entitled to mine. No point in arguing about it.

It's all good.

tohostudios wrote:

Right now I think the country has a bigger issue to worry about anyway.  One party now apparently has total control of the government.  I hate that regardless of which party has the control because the checks and balances are severely limited.  

this. I like it when no one party has complete control because not much gets done.

As for the violence, it was wrong earlier this year and its wrong now. I applaud people for going out and protesting to make their voice heard but if you commit violent acts while protesting you should be jailed and face the punishment.

exact33 wrote:

tohostudios wrote:

Right now I think the country has a bigger issue to worry about anyway.  One party now apparently has total control of the government.  I hate that regardless of which party has the control because the checks and balances are severely limited.  

this. I like it when no one party has complete control because not much gets done.

As for the violence, it was wrong earlier this year and its wrong now. I applaud people for going out and protesting to make their voice heard but if you commit violent acts while protesting you should be jailed and face the punishment.

And they should also be banned from BK.

Jon Schaffer confirmed!

https://metalinjection.net/politics/is-this-a-photo-of-iced-earths-jon-schaffer-raiding-the-capitol-building

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-trump-election-claims-sweeping-conspiracy-theories

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lawmakers-call-trumps-impeachment-wake-capitol-hill-violence/story?id=75097032&cid=clicksource_4380645_8_three_posts_card_hed

Trump is losing his support from the GOP.

Also, Schaffer's picture is on that piece of news, so I couldn't resist posting.

With Schaffer being in the news, I dug up my Sons of Liberty CD and played it in the car today.

First page in the booklet:



Looks like he finally got to play out his fantasy.



A weapon against tyranny!

Trump has been getting to the weirdos and conspiracy theorists for sure. But the music is damn catchy:

wait, there's a video for the song?



Amazing.

Quote :

^^ well, that's kinda spooky. Haha.


Best comment I've seen about the Jon Schaffer thing so far:

"Rumor has it the band will be changing its name to Flat Earth"

Fat Freddy wrote:

Best comment I've seen about the Jon Schaffer thing so far:

"Rumor has it the band will be changing its name to Flat Earth"

I always wondered why the flag looks like this

People on the internet are kind of mad about this Schaffer thing. Saying they won't listen or support Iced Earth again. As if it's some sort of a surprise to anyone!? News flash: his Sons of Liberty website links to Alex Jones videos LOL

I'm a massive Schaffer fanboy and this doesn't rattle me at all. I've got all his projects, all the CD's, EP's, singles, DVD's, been to the shows, wear the t-shirts etc.

I've got this poster up on a door at our house (wife hates it):



One of the kids drew butterflies on the word "pussy"

I don't care, I love his music. Always have, always will. And damn, he's never been more relevant in his life!

Obviously he is drawn to conspiracy theories, but which one of us is without a fault?

I'm not gonna burn my Iced Earth CDs or anything, I pretty much lost interest in them after Glorious Burden anyway.

It wasn't due to Schaffer's political leanings, I simply got tired of the constant vocalist/lineup changes. "Barlow's out! Ripper's in! Ripper's out! Barlow's back in! Barlow's back out again!" .... after awhile I just didn't care anymore. Haha

Fat Freddy wrote:

I'm not gonna burn my Iced Earth CDs or anything, I pretty much lost interest in them after Glorious Burden anyway.

It wasn't due to Schaffer's political leanings, I simply got tired of the constant vocalist/lineup changes. "Barlow's out! Ripper's in! Ripper's out! Barlow's back in! Barlow's back out again!" ....  after awhile I just didn't care anymore. Haha

Nah, it's amazing. The music is the best there is out there today.

Lari wrote:

Nah, it's amazing. The music is the best there is out there today.

(shrug) Ehh. I've moved on.

Fat Freddy wrote:

Lari wrote:

Nah, it's amazing. The music is the best there is out there today.

(shrug) Ehh. I've moved on.

Fucking amazing

Police Are Looking For ICED EARTH's JON SCHAFFER

https://twitter.com/wbaltv11/status/1347221849411899396