Jeff Hanneman R.I.P. (1964-2013)

I really don't know where Jeff's eternal soul might be now or whether death is just the end.

All I know is that he has very alive people who loved him who are hurting right now and all of this crap must be very distressing for them. My heart is with them.

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ultmetal wrote:

Is it just me or does some of the stuff fans are posting smack of extremely poor taste? I've seen people posting, "See You In Hell Jeff" or "He's South of Heaven now!" Really? We hope he was burning in hell?

As someone who doesn't believe in a hell, comments like that sound very tongue in cheek to me. Seeing as how somewhat satanic Slayers lyrics were, especially in the early days.

Yeah, I don't think those comments were meant to be offensive. I don't believe in heaven or hell myself.

The WBC are fake Christians. They're not from GOD.

The WBC are not a "church." They're not even a "cult." They're a hate group. Plain and simple. The only thing they're missing are the white hoods.

R.I.P Jeff

Nice write-up by Alex Skolnick.

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/Daily/News/Remembering_Jeff_Hanneman_1964_2013.aspx

What separated Jeff from the rest of the metal pack was his rhythm technique, his songwriting, and that for which he will be most remembered—his riffs. But his frenzied, turbulent solos were also an important part of the package. They weren’t about showing off. They served a greater artistic purpose—to sonically channel the qualities of Slayer’s lyrical content. They were sometimes abrasive, sometimes jarring, and at times disturbing. They had less in common with typical rock-guitar virtuosos than they did with the sonic collages of avant-garde improvisers such as Derek Bailey and John Zorn, the latter of whom is a self-professed Slayer fan who has cited the band as an inspiration. Though Jeff’s wider, more holistic guitar approach didn’t garner the same accolades as some of his more technically proficient contemporaries, Jeff never waivered from his original approach. And the fact that he continued to attack his guitar with relentless abandon—as though he were a linebacker on his beloved Oakland Raiders (whose logo adorned some of his signature ESP guitars)—is without a doubt a big part of why Slayer’s music will always be deemed one of metal’s high watermarks.

I did a YouTube video in memory of Jeff.

A very strange FB ordeal that I have no idea what to do with. I was rather taken aback by this. Basically I went to school with Amber and she introduced me to her friend who I suppose is a musician and hardcore evangelist. He's also a fan of Empire 21 (a Swedish Melodic Metal band I've never heard of), Yngwie, and Rex Caroll. I'm thinking about just ignoring him but part of me wants to take a stand. Anyway:


Amber Padgett (to Martin Simson): I think I should introduce you to my high school friend, Shay Clay. You both fill my newsfeed with music and guitars and bands and so I think an introduction is finally in order. Carry on. He just posted something about j a guitar guy, Hanneman? I apologize for not paying closer attention. It trigged me to make the intros. I obviously am friends with both and don't mind the music posts.
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Martin Simson Slayer guitarist. Satanic band. Never heard of him.
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Amber Padgett Never mind.
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Martin Simson It's cool. Thanks for the intro.
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I don't get it, but almost everything on Facebook reminds me why I applied for MarsOne, so once I understand what she's trying to say and his response I'm sure I'll hate it.

If you are going to dig in and get into it with this guy. I would suggest appealing to his sense of empathy for the loss of a human being and musician. The dudes entitled to his opinion about slayer but that post is a bit dismissive and ignorant. But discussions like that quite often go nowhere and wind up making you mad.

Forgot to mention my posts were a RIP and a share of the Skolnick article.

Cplhicks - That "Martin" dude sounds like a self righteous bag of douche. I'd walk away and be the better person.

On a related note... the official cause of Hanneman's death was announced today. Doesn't sound like we can blame the spider.

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We've just learned that the official cause of Jeff's death was alcohol related cirrhosis. While he had his health struggles over the years, including the recent Necrotizing fasciitis infection that devastated his well-being, Jeff and those close to him were not aware of the true extent of his liver condition until the last days of his life. Contrary to some reports, Jeff was not on a transplant list at the time of his passing, or at any time prior to that. In fact, by all accounts, it appeared that he had been improving – he was excited and looking forward to working on a new record.

Bummer, and again, R.I.P.

Fat Freddy wrote:

Cplhicks - That "Martin" dude sounds like a self righteous bag of douche. I'd walk away and be the better person.

On a related note... the official cause of Hanneman's death was announced today. Doesn't sound like we can blame the spider.

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We've just learned that the official cause of Jeff's death was alcohol related cirrhosis. While he had his health struggles over the years, including the recent Necrotizing fasciitis infection that devastated his well-being, Jeff and those close to him were not aware of the true extent of his liver condition until the last days of his life. Contrary to some reports, Jeff was not on a transplant list at the time of his passing, or at any time prior to that. In fact, by all accounts, it appeared that he had been improving – he was excited and looking forward to working on a new record.

Bummer, and again, R.I.P.

Yeah, I put it behind me, not worth the fight. I appreciate all the advice given here, however

As for the cause of death, my God that is a horrible and painful way to go. Regardless of his drinking, though, let it not taint what we recall of his talent as a guitarist and songwriter, nor the brilliance of his character.

I've heard that the ordeal of the spider bite increased his drinking (which was already excessive) considerably. A sad ending to be sure, but he left quite a musical legacy behind for us to enjoy.

To be honest, I thought that may be the case. I remember recently seeing an interview with Tom and he was saying that he was regularly 'reaching out' to Jeff, but who knew when he would feel able to return? I thought that it was a strange comment when talking about a guy recovering from a spider bite. Not going to judge Jeff, I came very close to that situation at a much younger age, if he had a serious problem, then the inactivity of recovering from the spider bite, just kicking around the house was probably a major contributor to his death.

The likes of Hetfield and Mustaine may make me cringe at times with all of the pompous 'recovery' talk, but if it keeps them healthy then it has to be a good thing.

Boris2008 wrote:

To be honest, I thought that may be the case. I remember recently seeing an interview with Tom and he was saying that he was regularly 'reaching out' to Jeff, but who knew when he would feel able to return? I thought that it was a strange comment when talking about a guy recovering from a spider bite. Not going to judge Jeff, I came very close to that situation at a much younger age, if he had a serious problem, then the inactivity of recovering from the spider bite, just kicking around the house was probably a major contributor to his death.

The likes of Hetfield and Mustaine may make me cringe at times with all of the pompous 'recovery' talk, but if it keeps them healthy then it has to be a good thing.

I remember reading what Tom said and thinking it was a strange choice of words too.

It's a good bet that the drinking was due to the pain as well, as healing from necrosis and the PT work involved.

One thing I learned from Jani Lane's death is that the demons are always there. Even our good man Adler went back to rehab (in his words he picked up the phone before things got worse--which is more restraint than you see in other cases). One day a man may kick his habit, but that habit will always be married to his subconscious, threatening to return in full form. My former ideal self thought the opposite, that once you kick it it's gone for good, especially if you're a rock star. Yeah, right.

RIP

It's exactly what I suspected when I read it was liver related, too, so sad..

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The Jeff Hanneman Memorial Celebration will take place on Thursday, May 23, at LA’s Hollywood Palladium from 3.30pm to 7.30pm. Entry will be free but limited by venue capacity.

A statement on the band’s Facebook page says: “It was once suggested to Slayer that if they would write ‘just one mainstream song that could get on the radio,’ they would likely sell millions of records and change the commercial course of their career, similar to what had happened to Metallica with 1993′s Enter Sandman.

“Jeff was the first to draw a line of integrity in the sand, replying, ‘We’re going to make a Slayer record. If you can get it on the radio, fine, if not, then f*ck it.’”

The band are planning to complete their European tour as previously arranged. Exodus guitarist Gary Holt, who’d stood in for Hanneman since he fell ill, will remain with the band. It’s not known whether drummer Dave Lombardo, who was dropped over a contractual dispute, will return.

Hmm, well Hanneman was the one who wrote the music for "Stain of Mind" which was obviously an attempt to cross over into the groovier "hard music" that was popular at the time. Not saying he shouldn't do that but let's put all the facts on table here.

Temple of Blood wrote:

Hmm, well Hanneman was the one who wrote the music for "Stain of Mind" which was obviously an attempt to cross over into the groovier "hard music" that was popular at the time. Not saying he shouldn't do that but let's put all the facts on table here.

How is that any different than Kerry writing "Skeletons Of Society" which is quite a groovy little number on Seasons?

This viewpoint that if a thrash band has any type of groove to their music it is somehow "impure" is one of the stupidest in all of metal.

S.D. wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Hmm, well Hanneman was the one who wrote the music for "Stain of Mind" which was obviously an attempt to cross over into the groovier "hard music" that was popular at the time. Not saying he shouldn't do that but let's put all the facts on table here.

How is that any different than Kerry writing "Skeletons Of Society" which is quite a groovy little number on Seasons?

It's definitely groovier than that one (the drumbeat to the verse for example), not to mention that whole whispering pre-chorus that was influenced by Jonathon Davis.

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This viewpoint that if a thrash band has any type of groove to their music it is somehow "impure" is one of the stupidest in all of metal.

You'd have to be pretty oblivious not to recall what was going on in "hard music" at the time (later SEPULTURA, \"thebandthatshallneverbementionedagain\", etc.) and how they made some overtures to cater to the new style. I mean just look at the timing of when it came out. They weren't trying that stuff in 2006.

Kinda like how METALLICA were just following their muse going grungy/ditching any remnants of thrash on "Load" but they conveniently brought it back when they didn't have a choice. Or see Rob Halford's failied career as an industrial artist. I'm not saying SLAYER deviated to that degree, but they definitely did deviate.

Whether something is "pure" or not doesn't make it bad btw. Sounds like you got distracted from what I was saying in order to try to create a strawman.

I actually think "Stain Of Mind" is one of the more memorable later Slayer songs, so whether catering to a new audience or not it worked. I'm one of the few that really love that album and think it's one of the best later Slayer albums. It was the last time they actually experimented a little with their sound before returning to their usual template.

I think it's a good album too. And I didn't say it was a bad song. But let's be honest about what it is and isn't.

How do you get rid of that "thebandthatshallneverbementionedagain" thing? That's really annoying, what's so wrong with liking K o r n? I should be able to type it out normally without having to deal with that.

I disagree with the whole "Slayer selling out" thing.