Tourniquet - Antiseptic Bloodbath

MetalGuy71 wrote:

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I'll probably skip this album though. Tourniquet has been kinda hit-or-miss with me and with more strikes in the miss collum, I've lost interest. Lotsa other bands I rather spend my money on.

Completely agree with you. Besides, I'm not worried about how I get a steak (to bring into the Christian realm, much like the Apostle Paul when he told the Roman church to just eat the sacrificed meat set before you) - I would be more worried about how women are treated in the muslim countries, that they are treated like property and not human beings, beaten into compliance. Let's take care of the humans who are oppressed then if you want start worrying about how your In N Out Burger was processed.

Sutekh wrote:

I'm not overly keen on the cover, mainly because it's so open to misinterpretation.

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From my point of view, The cover is even 10x spookier than SLAYER's Christ Illusion (being which reminded me of) ... You put it in a Non-Christian perspective, it'll have a different meaning as well

Ill wait and see what the music sounds like. I didnt enjoy the last one all that much so this is a listen to clips before I buy album.

I wonder if the ambient in this video is from a song from the album. I kinda hope so. It could be an intro or an ending to a song. If it is, I can't imagine the actual song being nothing but something very dark.


Years ago Ted told that the next Tourniquet album will be Tourniquet at its most extreme. I'm guessing they will mix the most heavy and fast Tourniquet to the most slow and mellow Tourniquet.

Let's hear a sample of the actual music...

Who's "sanitizing brutality"? Christians are well aware of the severity of Chist's beating at the crucifixion. I've never heard anyone try to downplay that. I don't feel like our society sanitizes brutality either. On the contrary, our society has a deep fascination with brutal violence and death, from the nightly news to people rubbernecking at car accidents to "Faces of Death" DVDs to the thousands of youtube videos depicting graphic, gory bloodshed. So unless they're talking about blue-haired little old ladies, this whole concept doesn't really fly. Gosh, it almost like they wedged the Jesus thing in there to justify cramming their animal rights agenda down our throats.

Infinite wrote:

Gosh, it almost like they wedged the Jesus thing in there to justify cramming their animal rights agenda down our throats.

Completely agree! Christians love to label anything they don't like as sin. Just like the anti-rock crowd, Tourniquet has done the same thing with animals.

Orion Crystal Ice wrote:

I don't know, I think you may be committing sacrilege there my friend. A true Christian would argue that Jesus IS a steak. A big, lean, juicy, bloody, ripped, organic steak ready to pump you up with prophetic proteins. Indeed, how can ye exalt the qualities of beef and yet eschew your Savior? You cannot serve two masters (God and meat). From now on, Jesus = steak.

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from this ye know that your God is a steak, and yet ye do not treat the Bovine with dignity; ye hypocrites, ye shall be in big trouble!

Infinite wrote:

Who's "sanitizing brutality"?

People do it everyday.

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Christians are well aware of the severity of Chist's beating at the crucifixion. I've never heard anyone try to downplay that.

It's probably safe to say you know/interact with maybe 0.00000000000000123% of the worlds Christians. Not really a good cross section. Besides, they're not just talking about Christians.

Think about the people who are told the gospel, yet ignore it. Their buddy or mom or cousin tells them "Jesus died for your sins" but they ignore it in favor of whatever mindset they're currently comfortable in. The phrase "Jesus died for your sins" has become so commonplace that when non-Christians hear it they shrug it off, choosing to not think or talk about the brutal torture and murder Christ endured to make His Sacrifice. That is a way of "sanitizing brutality". That's the angle TQT is taking.

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I don't feel like our society sanitizes brutality either. On the contrary, our society has a deep fascination with brutal violence and death, from the nightly news to people rubbernecking at car accidents to "Faces of Death" DVDs to the thousands of youtube videos depicting graphic, gory bloodshed.

The "Faces Of Death" crowd wanting to see that crap, as well as the others you described, don't participate...they spectate and gawk at it and move on usually feeling little empathy or sympathy ("sanitizing" again).

But when it's something they participate in (wearing leather, eating meat, hearing about yet possibly ignoring the sacrifice of Christ), they don't want to think about what it took to get that burger on their plate or what Jesus actually went through in order to "pay for your sins"..."it's here, I don't want to think about it"...sanitizing.

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So unless they're talking about blue-haired little old ladies, this whole concept doesn't really fly. Gosh, it almost like they wedged the Jesus thing in there to justify cramming their animal rights agenda down our throats.

So now 2 or 3 songs over 20+ years constitutes an animal rights "agenda"...sheesh. It flies quite well if one actually puts a tiny bit of thought into it.

Totally agree with each point Shawn is making there. I know I do it myself.Its easy to forget the torture Christ went through on the cross.We all take things for granted on a daily basis.

Orion Crystal Ice wrote:

I don't know, I think you may be committing sacrilege there my friend. A true Christian would argue that Jesus IS a steak. A big, lean, juicy, bloody, ripped, organic steak ready to pump you up with prophetic proteins. Indeed, how can ye exalt the qualities of beef and yet eschew your Savior? You cannot serve two masters (God and meat). From now on, Jesus = steak.

Jesus is good
Steak is good
Therefore, Jesus is steak.

"What is a hamburger? Is it chopped ham? NO! It's chopped steak! And what goes better with steak, but A1?"

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

It's probably safe to say you know/interact with maybe 0.00000000000000123% of the worlds Christians. Not really a good cross section.

The same can be said of you or Tourniquet. My opinion is just as valid.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

So now 2 or 3 songs over 20+ years constitutes an animal rights "agenda"...sheesh. It flies quite well if one actually puts a tiny bit of thought into it.

1. Those "2 or 3 songs" aren't the only instances where they've discussed this issue. Heck, their last album had a prominently displayed paragraph about the subject in the liner notes encouraging the listener to "do your part". Sounds like an agenda to me.

2. So if I have a differing opinion, I haven't put any thought into it. Nice.

Let me think about it...

Yep, I still agree with everything I said.

Fat Freddy wrote:

"What is a hamburger? Is it chopped ham? NO! It's chopped steak! And what goes better with steak, but A1?"

I can just see now on blabbermouth "Back in the day, WASP would though raw meat into the audience. Now, audience members have taken it upon themselves to throw raw meat at a band, this time Tourniquet is the band and protesting the band's PETA agenda is the reason"

Quick note: I am not advocating throwing raw meat at Tourniquet.

thejokeriv wrote:

Quick note: I am not advocating throwing raw meat at Tourniquet.

Yes you are...and because that's how I (mis)interpret your statement I am right.

thejokeriv wrote:

I can just see now on blabbermouth "Back in the day, WASP would though raw meat into the audience. Now, audience members have taken it upon themselves to throw raw meat at a band, this time Tourniquet is the band and protesting the band's PETA agenda is the reason"

You ever see the movie "P.C.U.," when the students chuck raw hamburger at the animal rights protestors?

Infinite wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

It's probably safe to say you know/interact with maybe 0.00000000000000123% of the worlds Christians. Not really a good cross section.

The same can be said of you or Tourniquet. My opinion is just as valid.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

So now 2 or 3 songs over 20+ years constitutes an animal rights "agenda"...sheesh. It flies quite well if one actually puts a tiny bit of thought into it.

1. Those "2 or 3 songs" aren't the only instances where they've discussed this issue. Heck, their last album had a prominently displayed paragraph about the subject in the liner notes encouraging the listener to "do your part". Sounds like an agenda to me.

2. So if I have a differing opinion, I haven't put any thought into it. Nice.

Let me think about it...

Yep, I still agree with everything I said.

From what I can see in your statement, you've thought very little past the surface.

You're right, I don't know any more people than you do. But you'll also not catch me validating my opinions by saying "I don't know anybody who..."...that doesn't mean anything.

Its been stated, and restated, and restated, that TQT are not about treating animals just like or better than people (they eat meat, Ted collects butterflies, etc)...just to treat them as humanely as possible.

I don't know how people make the leap from "I am against doing harmful experiments on animals" to "EATING MEAT IS SIN AND YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR IT!!"

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

"EATING MEAT IS SIN AND YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR IT!!"

I can think of one instance where that can be true

Fat Freddy wrote:

thejokeriv wrote:

I can just see now on blabbermouth "Back in the day, WASP would though raw meat into the audience. Now, audience members have taken it upon themselves to throw raw meat at a band, this time Tourniquet is the band and protesting the band's PETA agenda is the reason"

You ever see the movie "P.C.U.," when the students chuck raw hamburger at the animal rights protestors?

Years ago - that scene must have been deep in my subconscious and that's where the whole post came from......

It just feels weird when people jump on these conclusions about having "an agenda" for animals when the band is a Christian band and has even bigger agenda for Christianity.

I know it's easy to accept an agenda like that if one is a Christian him or herself. For a Christian, preaching about Jesus isn't an agenda but an encouragement for people to find "the truth", but if someone preaches about Muhammed or about animal welfare or even public health care (a "socialist" agenda), that's somehow not an encouragement, but a fishy agenda.




My opinion in different agendas in music is that if one feels something so important that he wants to bring it out via music, visual arts or text, then he should do that with all of his heart. That goes to Christians, satanists, Satan worshippers, hindus, animal activists, animal torturers, nazis etc etc etc. Heavy metal is an amazingly good genre to vent it all out.


But yeah, of course everyone should be free to express their opinions if they feel that this certain world view of Tourniquet sucks big time. And, of course, if someone feels the critic has misunderstood things, there needs to be a possibility to question everyone's opinions.
So far, I haven't yet quite understood the logic behind the criticism. I feel people are adding lots of personal issues to it and filtered the message through them. But perhaps I'm just stupid or something
And who knows, maybe I'm filtering things myself too.





I wonder how much of the cover has come from the mind of Ted and how much from the mind of Travis. I love the idea of showing the bones of Jesus. It's like these anti-racist "commercials", where they explained that black people are just the same as white people by showing x-ray images of people's skulls.
This cover is basically showing that the man who was executed on the cross, was a human being too regardless of people calling him divine and thinking he is the lord of all. He had flesh and bones under that pierced skin. People have put so much of this "supernatural" spin on the death of Jesus that it's hard to think that the dying happened after amazingly much of physical pain.

I know some do not like that. Some would prefer seeing Christ risen from the dead instead of hanging on the cross, "rotten." What do you guys and gals think of the fact that they show Jesus' bones in the cover picture? Could someone consider that as blasphemy? If so, I'd like to know why? Or is it just tasteless and/or stupid? Or cheesy? Or would someone rather take a picture with ounly Jesus, or only the animal but not with both of them?

And again of course, feel free to say anything.

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For a Christian, preaching about Jesus isn't an agenda but an
encouragement for people to find "the truth", but if someone preaches
about Muhammed or about animal welfare or even public health care (a
"socialist" agenda), that's somehow not an encouragement, but a fishy
agenda.

I wasn't even going to bring that angle up...but I'm glad you did.

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People have put so much of this "supernatural" spin on the death of
Jesus that it's hard to think that the dying happened after amazingly
much of physical pain.

So, in other words, they've "sanitized" the "bloodbath" and brutal reality of Jesus' Sacrifice??

No way!!

[quote="Shawn Of Fire"]

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No way!!

All things artworky aside... I am super stoked for another tqt record. Where Moth and Rust Destroy was my first real metal record and to this day one of my favorites. If been listening to it and microscopic in anticipation of the new one a lot the last couple days.

I'll slunk back to the shadows now and continue to silently watch this thread with mild amusement

Rex wrote:

Eat more Chiken!!!!!!!!!!!