A religious reaction to the new Mortification CD...

I take you guys aren't into Bill Gothard? 'Cause it's the beat!

I am a firm believer that it isn't what goes into the body that defiles it, but rather what comes out.

James B. wrote:

I am a firm believer that it isn't what goes into the body that defiles it, but rather what comes out.

You mean this :

I've seen this far too many times in my life.First off I totally agree with what Ult said in his response to this guy.People often condemn things that they dont agree with but overlook the things in life they enjoy.
I did the whole trashing of my secular music thing just like a few of you have.My youth minister at the time led me to believe it was wrong,but He had no problem watching action and sci-fi movies.I think theres a little hypocrisy going on these peoples lives.The music or movies you watch are not gonna send you to Hell.Its just entertainment.
I think it was cool that Shiney shared that even though he's listened to sleaze his whole life that he hasnt lived that life.I think its all a personal thing,whether or not you can handle it is between you and God,not between you and a finger pointing hypocrite.

Thrasher73 wrote:

I've seen this far too many times in my life.First off I totally agree with what Ult said in his response to this guy.People often condemn things that they dont agree with but overlook the things in life they enjoy.
I did the whole trashing of my secular music thing just like a few of you have.My youth minister at the time led me to believe it was wrong,but He had no problem watching action and sci-fi movies.I think theres a little hypocrisy going on these peoples lives.The music or movies you watch are not gonna send you to Hell.Its just entertainment.
I think it was cool that Shiney shared that even though he's listened to sleaze his whole life that he hasnt lived that life.I think its all a personal thing,whether or not you can handle it is between you and God,not between you and a finger pointing hypocrite.

Good post Thrasher.

The judgmental mentality shown by the poster(s) Ult is quoting is precisely why I don't subscribe to organized religion anymore.

The last time I went to church was about 25 years ago and it was an independent Baptist church in Tennessee. The preacher's "sermon" basically railed against those who listened to secular music, attended dances, watched secular movies, etc, etc, etc.

Now let me point out, this clown was at LEAST 50 pounds overweight but apparently gluttony wasn't on his "list of sins".

And that's the attitude I've encountered in every church I've attended in my life. It's fine to point out the sins of everyone else but conveniently ignore the sins in your own life. Pass; God and me can work on my own guilt trips, I don't need some hypocrite pointing them out to me.

TheNazgul wrote:

I take you guys aren't into Bill Gothard? 'Cause it's the beat!

Gothardism is just re-packaged puritanism and I am not a fan of the puritanical movement!

Thrasher is 100% correct - except this people use "God" as the excuse to condemn what they don't like - how many wars have been started over religion? Just look at the middle east, we have a bunch of wack jobs who want to KILL everyone who is not a muslim, the USA is one of there targets as are the jews and everyone else. Not only that, in the muslim world the more fanatical, hard core and dare i say FUNDEMENTALIST they are into islam, they are willing to kill there there own for being too liberal.

Beign a devoted christian on my early childhood rock music was considered music for the lost, and bands like metallica were forbidden to me. Seeing those patches from bands that I wouldn't know back then wouldn't make a difference or confused me.


One thing I would like churches to change is stop pointing fingers and start doing something for their lives. I would like to see churches being more involve into helping the needed, and being more involve on the goverment.

Some years ago, I had to leave a church because I was hanging out with guys that were not christian, and with some metalheads, and on the church I started to be attacked, that I was going the wrong way, not knowing that I was giving a good example of my Christianity to them

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The last time I went to church was about 25 years ago and it was an independent Baptist church in Tennessee. The preacher's "sermon" basically railed against those who listened to secular music, attended dances, watched secular movies, etc, etc, etc.

Just like the preacher in Footloose.

Troublezone wrote:

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The last time I went to church was about 25 years ago and it was an independent Baptist church in Tennessee. The preacher's "sermon" basically railed against those who listened to secular music, attended dances, watched secular movies, etc, etc, etc.

Just like the preacher in Footloose.

Yeah, in retrospect, that's exactly what it was. A real life caricature of the way Hollywood likes to depict Christianity.

This thread reminds me of a thread I started about the Christian metal movement.

I'm not bashing Christianity here (although I don't consider myself a Christian), but it seems a lot of people in the Christian metal scene condemn all secular metal. I remember Believer got condemned by some Christians for wearing secular metal band T-shirts.

I agree, people need to stop being so judgmental.

Required Fields wrote:

This thread reminds me of a thread I started about the Christian metal movement.

I'm not bashing Christianity here (although I don't consider myself a Christian), but it seems a lot of people in the Christian metal scene condemn all secular metal. I remember Believer got condemned by some Christians for wearing secular metal band T-shirts.

I agree, people need to stop being so judgmental.

That is what gets people not to turn into Christianity, because of how judgmental some of them are. BUT not all churches are like that, It all depends on the priest; the head of the church. I have met a few great preachers that are very open minded and loving people

I don't think you guys are using the term "judgemental" correctly.

Everyone makes judgements about what actions they consider to be wrong or right.

powermacho wrote:

bands like metallica were forbidden to me.

why? they sound nothing alike. yuk yuk

mc666 wrote:

powermacho wrote:

bands like metallica were forbidden to me.

why? they sound nothing alike. yuk yuk

Judge not, less ye be judged.
Love your neighbor as thy self.


Any other f'in' questions?

UNCLE SAXON wrote:

Judge not, less ye be judged.
Love your neighbor as thy self.


Any other f'in' questions?

Yeah... Is Pee-Wee gonna stop stretching his legs?

Troublezone wrote:

UNCLE SAXON wrote:

Judge not, less ye be judged.
Love your neighbor as thy self.


Any other f'in' questions?

Yeah... Is Pee-Wee gonna stop stretching his legs?

I really need to change that, don't I? You convinced me TZ. I will get to it this w/e! Something Troublezone-inspired.....Stay tuned!!

UNCLE SAXON wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

UNCLE SAXON wrote:

Judge not, less ye be judged.
Love your neighbor as thy self.


Any other f'in' questions?

Yeah... Is Pee-Wee gonna stop stretching his legs?

I really need to change that, don't I? You convinced me TZ. I will get to it this w/e! Something Troublezone-inspired.....Stay tuned!!

Uh Oh!! :glee:

I dont see anything wrong with Steve or any other christian wearin' a secular patch on his jacket. Rock on bro!!

That being said, I was a young christain once and I know what it's like to be trying to leave your old life behind and start anew with Christ. Something like a patch or a cd or a t-shirt aint no big deal but we as christians should just be kinda careful about how we are percieved by young and vulnerable christians who are looking for new role models(for lack of a better term) after coming out of a world that frankly doesnt have very many healthy role models.

But kinda like what Ult says, if Steve's jacket had patches with say Angelica, Stryper, Whitecross, and Barren Cross(all cool bands BTW), some guy might look at Steve and think "man, there goes another preachy lame christian pushin' his Jesus thing again...no way am I gonna listen to Mortification". But, ya know, maybe if Steve can get some hard core metalheads who hate God and hate christians to listen to a Mortification album and enjoy the music and really read the lyrics, maybe that guy will think again about giving God a chance to change his life.

So like what was said above, different christians have a different calling and maybe for some it's trying to reach the hard core metalheads and for others maybe reaching some rich guy who lives in the Hamptons or some old lady who is widowed and 83 years old.

just my 2 cents.....

Grind on Steve!!

Interesting how joker brought up the Muslims and thier desire to kill those who were not muslim and without going into the extremest / fundalmentalist practices... well we can look no further than what European settlers did to the natives of the North American continent. They basicily slaughtered them and eratadicated a way of life unless the "savages" became "civilized" and converted to the belief system brought from across the ocean. Sound familar anyone ?

I have way too many relatives that think like that guy in the initial post...that's why I haven't spoken to any of them for about 20 years.

Close-minded, extremist, militant-radical, religious fervor (regardless of religion or anti-religion)...isn't the way to go. We were blessed with a brain, more people should actually use it.

I like Steve's big ol ULTIMATUM patch!

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Required Fields wrote:

That is what gets people not to turn into Christianity, because of how judgmental some of them are. BUT not all churches are like that, It all depends on the priest; the head of the church. I have met a few great preachers that are very open minded and loving people

I can happily say that most ministers I've met are cool people. That doesn't always mean the church itself is good as congregations can be very cliquish and unwelcoming, although I've never felt judged based on my tastes in art. Fortunately the church my wife and I currently go to is a great place with very laidback members who have been very welcoming. We've actually made friends there, unlike the last church we attended

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powermacho wrote:

Required Fields wrote:

That is what gets people not to turn into Christianity, because of how judgmental some of them are. BUT not all churches are like that, It all depends on the priest; the head of the church. I have met a few great preachers that are very open minded and loving people

I can happily say that most ministers I've met are cool people. That doesn't always mean the church itself is good as congregations can be very cliquish and unwelcoming, although I've never felt judged based on my tastes in art. Fortunately the church my wife and I currently go to is a great place with very laidback members who have been very welcoming. We've actually made friends there, unlike the last church we attended

I can say the same about my church. I don't think it's just Christians that are judgmental, it's just people in gereral.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.