Pearl Jam

I liked Mother Love Bone, "Apple" was a classic album, amd Andrew Wood didn't hide his glam influences, hell how could he, the way he would dress on stage? Not only that he name checks both Freddie Mercury and Marc Bolan in several of his lyrics.

Mother Love Bone and Pearl Jam are so different, it is hard to believe that even shared band members. Songs that Wood wrote and co wrote in Mother Love Bone are excellent " Crown of Thorns" " Captain Hi Top" " Stargazer" just great songwriting in general no matter what genre someone wants to slap on it.

I like MLB, but for rattpoison to call PJ that band's "burnt offerings" is pretty innacurate. PJ not only has accomplished so much more than MLB ever could, but they are just a tighter unit and the songwriting is billions of times improved from the MLB days.

The lyrics on MLB make absolutely no sense.

I like Mother Love Bone & Temple of the Dog, but never liked Pearl Jam. Eddie Vedder bothers me for some reason.

spectrefate wrote:

I like MLB, but for rattpoison to call PJ that band's "burnt offerings" is pretty innacurate. PJ not only has accomplished so much more than MLB ever could, but they are just a tighter unit and the songwriting is billions of times improved from the MLB days.

As much as I like Mother Love Bone, I do like Pearl Jam better, and if Andrew Wood would have lived IMO I don't believe that they would have made the cultural/musical/ and commerical impact that Pearl Jam did. Andrew Wood's lyrics and musical vision were too idiosyncratic. Eddie Veder is a great vocalist and excellent songwriter.

Musicially, IMO both bands were different, if Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament were not in both bands I don't even think these bands would be mentioned in the same breathe.

Of all the MLB/PJ projects and offshoots I've heard, I like Gossard's Thermadore project the best.

tohostudios wrote:

Of all the MLB/PJ projects and offshoots I've heard, I like Gossard's Thermadore project the best.

Is that the band that put out Monkey on Rico? If so, I got rid of that thing within hours of getting it. I bought it because I love Mary's Danish and one of their guys played on it.

MetalGuy71 wrote:

I like Mother Love Bone & Temple of the Dog, but never liked Pearl Jam. Eddie Vedder bothers me for some reason.

Temple of the Dog was cool. I don't believe I ever heard Mother Love Bone (probably avoided them because of the silly name).

As for Pearl Jam, me no likee. Decent band but not my thang. Besides, for a while in the early 90s I couldn't walk into a bar without hearing some sh*tty cover band playing "Jeremy" or "Evenflow"

spectrefate wrote:

tohostudios wrote:

Of all the MLB/PJ projects and offshoots I've heard, I like Gossard's Thermadore project the best.

Is that the band that put out Monkey on Rico? If so, I got rid of that thing within hours of getting it. I bought it because I love Mary's Danish and one of their guys played on it.

Yep. Also has Chad Smith from RHCP. It's definitely nothing like Pearl Jam but I like it quite a bit. Closer to Hootie and the Blowfish than PJ.

tohostudios wrote:

Closer to Hootie and the Blowfish than PJ.

Its all coming back to me now.

Not a fan, but I do have some respect for them. They are one of the nicest bands to their fans, they care a lot more about them than most bands.

Here's some splooge-inducing news for Pearl Jam fans.

Next March, PJ will reissue Ten, their brilliant 1991 debut, the disc that (along with Nevermind) ushered in the era of Grunge.


But instead of the standard repackaging, with those compulsory outtakes, the Ten reissue will offer a treasure trove of goodies.


There will be four editions, each of which will contain two copies of Ten -- one remastered copy of the original tracks and one copy remixed by longtime PJ producer Brendan O'Brien.

"The band loved the original mix of Ten, but were also interested in what it would sound like if I were to deconstruct and remix it," O'Brien. "The original Ten sound is what millions of people bought, dug and loved, so I was hesitant to mess around with that. After years of persistent nudging from the band, I was able to wrap my head around the idea of offering it as a companion piece to the original - giving a fresh take on it, a more direct sound."

Those of you ready to shell out should spring for the Super Deluxe Edition. You'll get:
-- The two disc set
-- A DVD of Pearl Jam's previously-unreleased 1992 Unplugged gig (the one where Eddie goes psycho and scrawls "Pro Choice" into his arm during "Porch.")
-- Four vinyl LPs -- one original copy of Ten, one remixed copy, and a two-LP live set from a 1992 concert in Seattle, known as Drop In the Park.
-- A replica cassette of the first recorded Pearl Jam demos of "Alive," "Once" and "Footsteps."
-- And, as a press release declares, "an Eddie Vedder-style composition notebook filled with replica personal notes, images and mementos from the collections of Eddie Vedder and Jeff Ament, a vellum envelope with replicated era-specific ephemera from Pearl Jam's early work and a two-sided print commemorating the Drop in the Park concert."

I'd like to hear the remix of Ten

Man, that's a lot of stuff. Probably too expensive for me, though. I'd like the 2 CDs and the demos. Other than that, cool stuff, but I could live without it.

spectrefate wrote:

rattpoison wrote:

I listen to Ten every now and then....if only to hear the burnt offerings from Mother Love Bone.

Remember that time you mentioned the bands that you felt were not authentic, but just glam bands trying something new because glam bands were everywhere in the 80's? One of those bands was Mother Love Bone. They were glam in disguise. Luckily Andrew Wood died so the band would stop its wallowing in mediocrity and grow a pair and get Eddie Vedder to sing for them.

Wow i can't believe i didn't respond to this at the time...but here it is 2 months later.

I mean't burnt offerings as in left overs from the MLB daze, but also both bands sounds on Apple and Ten are not that different, it was still the same funky psychedelic Aerosmith/Zeppelin 70's hard rock on both Apple and Ten....what was different was the two vocalists. It's when it got to PJ's second record that it was much more different.

Pearl Jam are a fine band in there own right just not my thing.

MLB "Glam in disguise"! You're kidding me right. They were different and had their own identity to anything else at the time, those bands like MLB are the authentic flash rock bands. Andrew Wood was the real thing, that was him that flamboyant rock n' roll star that was part Freddie Mercury, Marc Bolan, David Lee Roth, Elton John and Steven Tyler. He was always going to be that no matter what was in or not.....something that can't be said about alot of the bands at the time.

spectrefate wrote:

.....Luckily Andrew Wood died so the band would stop its wallowing in mediocrity.....

That comment just makes me sad, your a bit better than that i think. But then with your recent Dimebag comments who knows.

Spec!! A fellar who was two when Apple came out just educated you with extreme prejudice. Case closed.

(They did have a definite glam leaning. I thought that was understood and general knowledge).

When Ten first came out I loved it, thought PJ was a breath of fresh air in a really stagnant music scene. But the problem was that with each successive release the songwriting became weaker, Vedder's vocal histrionics became more annoying, the production quality of the albums was weaker and they started to become more and more self-important. The last album I bought was Vitalogy and there was about 3 songs I liked, I thought the rest was poorly written garbage.

Not long ago I heard Ten at a friends house and it sounded dated and anemic. Not interested in ever hearing Pearl Jam again.

scottmitchell74 wrote:

Spec!! A fellar who was two when Apple came out just educated you with extreme prejudice. Case closed.

(They did have a definite glam leaning. I thought that was understood and general knowledge).

You love wheeling out the age comment SM.

Maybe you should get over your own prejudice that my age somehow lessen's my opinion.

I never denied MLB's glam leaning, i confirmed it.

MLB's "glam" was two steps removed from that LA crap that was popular at the time yet they were also far removed from the sludge n' burn of Sub Pop/Grunge. They were unique and special and had no allegiance to any popular style of music. They were not "Glam in disguise" as Spec puts it. Andrew Wood and MLB were the real deal.

That's the point i was making.

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You love wheeling out the age comment SM.

On many issues it matters greatly. You will never, ever see me write something about the 70's and very early 80's scene and tell old(er than me) guys like Toho, Ult, Wargod, SAHB, etc, that they're wrong. They lived it. It matters. Much of what you write is revisionist history.

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That comment just makes me sad, your a bit better than that i think. But then with your recent Dimebag comments who knows.

Sorry but at the risk of being viewed as trollish, IMO, the only good things that came from an Andrew Wood association happened after his death. Temple of the Dog and Pearl Jam. The best part of Dimebag being gone is the 100% assurance that another Pantera album will not be recorded. But please note that I think Dimebag died in a bad way which sucks, and Andrew died in the proverbial ditch which also sucks. But I can't and don't feign sympathy as though I knew them in real life, because I did not. That's my best explanation of my feelings.

I agree with Rattpoison in regards to Mother Love Bone, it is true that Andrew Wood had glam leanings but like rattpoison stated this was more in the tradition of Marc Bolan/T. Rex, David Bowie, and Freddie Mercury. Mother Love Bone were the real deal, they certainly didnot fit in with Soundgarden, Nirvana, Mudhoney, Tad and rest of the crew of the Seattle scene.

Their glam leaning definitley had nothing to do with Poison ,etc, of course none of you claimed it did anyway.

I think 'Apple" was very special album, I think if Andrew Wood had lived they would never have gotten as big Pearl Jam, but that is a personal opinion. I love the 'Apple" album, love the psychedelic meets glam/alternative metal sound that Andrew Wood and songwriting partner Stone Gossard came up with.

scottmitchell74 wrote:

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You love wheeling out the age comment SM.

On many issues it matters greatly. You will never, ever see me write something about the 70's and very early 80's scene and tell old(er than me) guys like Toho, Ult, Wargod, SAHB, etc, that they're wrong. They lived it. It matters. Much of what you write is revisionist history.

So your preventing yourself from having an opposing opinion on those topics because you never lived it?

I don't think that's right.

Was there anything wrong in my original retort to Spec's post? You were there albeit 16 years old in 1990.

Manny agreed with me, Shiney would as well. And they lived it and had a particular interest in the topic.

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So your preventing yourself from having an opposing opinion on those topics because you never lived it?

If there's a difference in opinion, I'll always defer to those who "were there". It makes a huge difference.

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So your preventing yourself from having an opposing opinion on those topics because you never lived it?

If there's a difference in opinion, I'll always defer to those who "were there". It makes a huge difference.

So you don't trust your own opinion that you just hand it over to the older guys.

Again i think that's wrong, if i followed that lead i would have nothing to talk about.

Strangely enough, I bought the MLB disc when it came out and loved it. I even had an MLB T-shirt.

I tried to listen to that disc a few months ago and couldn't get through 1 song. I found Andrew Wood's vocals very annoying and the "lyrics" were even worse. That whole album reeks of a drug-fueled/addled mind.

And I never considered them glam at all. Just really weird.