Let us be fair for the sake of being fair!

mglafass81

There is a difference between an absentee ballot and the ballots sent out en masse this election cycle. An absentee ballot is requested by the individual and has a chain of custody that follows it from beginning to end. If a voter requests one and it isn't sent back, contact is made as to why. Also signature is verified.

In many places, ballots were mailed in numbers that exceeded registered voters in that county, city, town, ward and/or district. Almost everyone I know received multiple ballots from previous owners/residents of the place they live in.

As for Republicans blocking time frame of valid mail in voting acceptance, you are uniformed that it is actually signature verification and readable post marks that was in objection.

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The Dems had said they would stop counting last night, but instead drove a bunch of vans loaded with ballots in the middle of the night and mysteriously gained a lead over Trumps previously very large margin despite more than 80% of the counting already complete. How convenient...

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A story that has been reported nowhere in legitimate media.

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A story that has been reported nowhere in legitimate media.

The same media that suppressed information regarding Obama/DNC/FBI corruption/spying on incoming Administration, Biden family corruption, any medical professionals saying anything contrary to WHO propaganda regarding WuFlu, and the Tech Companies censoring content on their platforms that don'\t substantiate far left policies, propaganda, and agenda.

The suppression of political information/opinion due to merely not agreeing with it is election interference, thus editorializing certain content and villages Section 230.

There is video evidence of ballots coming in HOURS & HOURS after the polls closed. You'd dismiss it even if you saw it actually happen right in front of you.

The establishment politicians (Democrat/Republican) combined with support from Globalist Multi-National Corporations, Mainstream Media, Silicon Valley, Hollywood Elites, and Sports and Music Superstars are in the pocket of CCP backed business deals. Follow the money.

If the "normal" percentages of the population in the USA hover about 50/50 Republican/Democrat (fair average IMHO) How do you explain "almost" every actor, singer, athlete, tech CEO, movie CEO, news anchor, and so on are Democrats. People will do anything for power and for money, especially after tasting what it brings. Giving it up isn't on the menu.

Mglaffas81 wrote:

A story that has been reported nowhere in legitimate media.

“Legitimate”

I suppose your ultra biased left wing outlets.

Mglaffas81 wrote:

Where the hell are you getting this from?

I don't take anything coming from Breitbart seriously. Nor should anyone.

If you seriously think Trump is a good speaker, you are in serious denial. The guy has said the dumbest things in the history of modern American politics, by far.

I simply don't agree with your "if the tables were turned" scenario. The Democrats are born losers and donor/republican suck-ups. Your anger and mistrust comes off as nothing but pure projection to me.

You’re the one in denial. And you actual trust that the Dems are playing fair because CNN tells you so.
How can I take you serious when you believe the media that never throws any Dems under the bus or follows a scandal involving a political figure that serves their agenda for more than a brief second (if at all). The MSM is owned by radical left billionaires with a specific narrative to subvert and sway public opinion against the conservative opposition. It’s not true and honest reporting. The MSM is warped and skewed fake news. Why do you discount any news outside CNN? Because you don’t want to hear info that challenges your views. That means you are a closed minded person that is callous and stubborn.

Oh, and you’re plain delusional to think that all of Biden’s votes are legit. How can you say that? The evidence is pointing contrary with the actions of the poll counters (that are actually on camera blocking windows). That is a major red flag and not transparency for the good faith of the voters in this election. Why are they hiding? Can you tell me? It’s extremely incriminating!

I’m not saying Trump is a master speaker, but compared to Biden, he’s way more coherent. Biden is senile, forgets where he is... says he joined senate 180 years ago.







Praises a Klan member (his friend)


Your pedo Biden called black kids “Roaches” and enjoyed them touching his legs.

Breitbart news shares from outlets like C-Span. An authentic secular news source.

I'm trying to figure out what his obsession is with American politics.

007 wrote:

I'm trying to figure out what his obsession is with American politics.

He’s rooting for the spread of socialism worldwide. A typical antagonistic cheerleader of the left. That’s my impression...

I don't watch American mainstream media.

You think the MSM is controlled by "ultra leftists"? This so-called "left-wing media" is pro-establishment. There's a huge difference. Had they been truly "left-wing", they wouldn't have hated Bernie Sanders with a passion. I don't want any media to be biased one way or another - it's okay to have a certain perspective, as a long as one is fair, gives due credit and tells the whole story.

I really can't give much credence to your various claims, as I don't know where you're getting the information from. If it's Breitbart or any right-leaning outlet, that's a huge red flag to me. To me, there's far more misinformation and outright lying going on in such outlets. Yes, the American MSM sucks - they lie by omission and slant things in certain directions, but don't make up complete and utter nonsense.

I'm not pushing for "socialism worldwide". I don't even know what you mean by that term, as it is very complex and can take on different definitions depending on the degree. Whenever I hear trump-fans or right-wingers talk about why they like trump or hate the democrats, they'll say facile things like, "I don't want socialism in my country, I want to stay true to our constitution, blah blah blah" - these people actually think that voting in Joe Biden will cause some left-wing "socialist" revolution - wrong. It'll be a long, arduous process back to pre-trump status. He'll appease the Republicans as much as he can along the way. Especially now that they're looking to keep their majority in the senate. I wish these interviewers would ask them to elaborate on what they mean by using these terms - my guess is they'll get either a blank stare or a ridiculous, misinformed answer.

By the way - socialism is pretty much as American as apple pie. For a great example of how a degree of it massively boosted the American economy and lives of the people, take a look at the New Deal.

A well-established and efficient tax system is crucial for infrastructure and services people take for granted, for example a fire department or police force. In essence, that's socialism on a very basic level - governmentally/state run organizations serving a community funded in large part by said community.

I'm no more obsessed with American politics than I am in any other worldly matter - this thread has a certain theme, so I'm not exactly going to go off-topic. I've tried several times to ignore this thread, but I guess I can't help myself.

Mglaffas81 wrote:

I don't watch American mainstream media.

You think the MSM is controlled by "ultra leftists"? This so-called "left-wing media" is pro-establishment. There's a huge difference. Had they been truly "left-wing", they wouldn't have hated Bernie Sanders with a passion. I don't want any media to be biased one way or another - it's okay to have a certain perspective, as a long as one is fair, gives due credit and tells the whole story.

I really can't give much credence to your various claims, as I don't know where you're getting the information from. If it's Breitbart or any right-leaning outlet, that's a huge red flag to me. To me, there's far more misinformation and outright lying going on in such outlets. Yes, the American MSM sucks - they lie by omission and slant things in certain directions, but don't make up complete and utter nonsense.

I'm not pushing for "socialism worldwide". I don't even know what you mean by that term, as it is very complex and can take on different definitions depending on the degree. Whenever I hear trump-fans or right-wingers talk about why they like trump or hate the democrats, they'll say facile things like, "I don't want socialism in my country, I want to stay true to our constitution, blah blah blah" - these people actually think that voting in Joe Biden will cause some left-wing "socialist" revolution - wrong. It'll be a long, arduous process back to pre-trump status. He'll appease the Republicans as much as he can along the way. Especially now that they're looking to keep their majority in the senate. I wish these interviewers would ask them to elaborate on what they mean by using these terms - my guess is they'll get either a blank stare or a ridiculous, misinformed answer.

By the way - socialism is pretty much as American as apple pie. For a great example of how a degree of it massively boosted the American economy and lives of the people, take a look at the New Deal.

A well-established and efficient tax system is crucial for infrastructure and services people take for granted, for example a fire department or police force. In essence, that's socialism on a very basic level - governmentally/state run organizations serving a community funded in large part by said community.

I'm no more obsessed with American politics than I am in any other worldly matter - this thread has a certain theme, so I'm not exactly going to go off-topic. I've tried several times to ignore this thread, but I guess I can't help myself.  

The “whack a mole” returns... you pop up, wait for a hit and disappear.  

Anyways... why do you come across like you know it all? Why do you think you are more informed than everyone else here that doesn’t see things your way? Why do you think your news sources are more legit and superior? You say “right leaning”. Why? Because they report what the left ignores. I bet whatever outlet you watch has left leanings. What news outlet is perfect? Let me know and I’ll check it out!

Mglaffas81 wrote:

I don't watch American mainstream media..  

You have stated you watch Young Turks right? They were given millions in start up capital from Silicon Valley and YouTube gives them home page preference of whatever it's called? They call under the mainstream media umbrella.

Also, if you don't watch it. SHow do you know what news outlets are what?

In American politics, the Republican/Democrat party of old are pretty much moderate establishment types, then you have ultra conservative/libertarian types, and the new Democrats are far left progressive types.

Socialism is based on theories of Marx & Engels for the most part with the goal being total communism. Looking at the past to "guess" the future is the folly of modern academia.

The New Deal served it's purpose as a short term solution to a short term problem. The war only expedited the inevitable rise of American manufacturing and the end of that policy. Being that America wasn't bombed to hell and back like most of the world, we were able to capitalize on lack of competition which funded the rebuilding of infrastructure and means of commerce worldwide after the war for decades. So Capitalism pretty much enabled the rebuilding and prosperity of our entire planet. we all have seen first hand how socialist policies burden economic stability in the long term. The State can't sustain viability unless it produces marketable growth, which is virtually impossible when limitations are placed on innovation and competition is non-existent as had in a free open market. The fabled socialist Utopia will be that of less having more (smaller numbers of have) and more having less (larger number of have nots) The surprise will be those assuming they will be part of the ruling class. My guess is Billionaires may not make that cut?

I see how I can come off as arrogant. I do, however, think that there's a uniquely massive disparity when it comes to accurate reporting in your country. The right wing (I used this strictly in this context) is notorious for spreading misinformation and propaganda.

Yes, the outlets I tend to follow do come from progressive perspectives. I have judged them to be consistent, honest and giving due credit to whoever deserves it. I don't completely agree with some things, which mostly concern specific social things voiced by certain hosts and guests.

When wanting to keep up to date with what's going on in America (they also have international stories), I usually watch the Young Turks or Ring of Fire. Yes, they're progressive outlets. I especially don't like how they title a lot of their videos. I mostly go there to listen to their co-founder, Cenk Uygur. Have I checked out sites like Breitbart equally as much? No.

If you do check them out, I do have a suspicion that you'll write them off as left-wing propaganda. I get that. I, however, have been following them for a long time and can at least personally attest to their consistency - there may be things that have gone under-reported, I don't know - but my sense is, that they do a great job in offering as detailed a perspective as possible. I don't always like the general tone in some conversations, like I said, I'm mostly there for certain hosts. By the way, they criticize the supposedly "left-wing" democrats just as much.

I especially don't like how they title certain videos. That's just a gripe I have.

It may come as a surprise to you, but in terms of Danish regional politics, I'd be considered to the right. It's a matter of relativity.

It is kinda bothersome when you as a Dane tell us as Americans that Biden’s tax proposals are good for our country. He will raise taxes like no ones business. Do you pay taxes? I don’t believe you would like what we in California are dealing with (let alone what Biden will add to it).

My favorite Biden video is the one where he admits that the Ukraine Government would not get the multi-billion dollar loan from the USA unless the official investigating Burisma Holdings got fired, and they got fired.

They impeached a sitting President over a phone call with no evidence of abuse of power per quid pro quo and there is video evidence of then VP Biden actually doing it.
Crickets from the media and current Democrat leadership say there was nothing wrong with what Biden did. Can't make this stuff up!

Chunky Yogurt is a clown that spouts "power to the workers" yet cries like a little bee-itch when staff at his company wanted to Unionize. His meltdown in 2016 was comedy gold. He had no platform when he ran for office. He is on that ride the Progressive gravy train for profit, once he realized it was more lucrative than being Republican was 10 years ago.

I like Jimmy Dore for my resource of the Progressive perspective. He calls out the corruption by both parties, gives Trump crap, but also gives him credit. Trump can't be bad and/or wrong all the time

I am in no way, shape or form, advocating for "total" socialism.

Denmark operates on a mixed economy - liberal socialism, or "the Nordic model". You cannot compare Marx/Engels or the eastern bloc with my viewpoints.

I do pay taxes. A hell of a lot. Well, relatively little, I guess. I pay around 39% in income tax. If I had, say, a car, I would be much more economically burdened - that's one thing I want changed in my country. In Denmark, registering a car ("registration tax") usually costs more than the actual car, which already costs a fuckload. However, it does fund a lot of things that stabilize and make people's lives more secure. It's a balancing act - here, we discuss the balance of our welfare state, not if we should have one at all. I think any salary exceeding around 84000$ annually has a marginal tax rate around 55%.

If Biden's statements turn out to be correct, he will raise taxes for the richest Americans. If he gets anything done with a republican senate, that is. Bernie Sanders, for example, wants to raise taxes for the top 1%, mostly - ie. making corporations pay their fair share. It's absurd that in some cases, businesses like Amazon pay no taxes at all. It's ludicrous.

What infuriates me the most, is how the mainstream media outlets (Fox News in particular) don't distinguish between marginal and total tax rates. When Sanders/AOC proposed a 70-90% marginal tax rate for people earning more than 10000000 dollars a year, they spoke of it as if they proposed such a rate for one's entire income. People look at that, believe it, and the snowball of misinformation starts rolling. Along with all the other nonsense out there.

However, I know to take things with a massive grain of salt. The Obama administration agreed cutting social security to a degree that even bush couldn't get pushed through, in a spineless act of bowing to the fucking republicans. The affordable care act has many problems - the biggest of which stem from the fact that it's basically watered down, republican-approved RomneyCare.

One has to look at the bigger picture - even if one's taxes were to be raised a bit, it would more than pay off in what those taxes go to, like healthcare - ideally, it would save people a hell of a lot of money. I know I'd rather pay a bit more in taxes, which means less cash "in hand", if it meant I didn't have to worry about healthcare bills or cuts to social security. Again, I'm not privy to each individual state's tax status. I'm speaking generally.

Republicans lower taxes, but for who? Corporations and the richest Americans. Your taxes may go down a little, but at what cost? Pretty much anything on the governmental/state level that offers security, be it healthcare, education or the like.

I’ll check out that Jimmy Dore guy. I don’t mind party affiliation as long as they call out their own clowns too.

No reputable source has claimed anything funky going on with the counting of votes.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/nov/06/fact-checking-falsehoods-trumps-nov-5-election-rem/

Troublezone wrote:

I’ll check out that Jimmy Dore guy. I don’t mind party affiliation as long as they call out their own clowns too.

So do my outlets. All the time. Jimmy Dore, even more so, I guess. He used to be a regular on the Young Turks and had his own segment with another co-host called "Aggressive Progressives".

I guarantee Biden would not keep his word on anything except the New Deal, renewing the TPP and strengthening ties to China. American jobs will be gone! He’s a proud globalist. He pretends to be a blue collar hero, but he’s the opposite.

Lari wrote:

No reputable source has claimed anything funky going on with the counting of votes.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/nov/06/fact-checking-falsehoods-trumps-nov-5-election-rem/

Reputable to who? Fact checking from a biased source is questionable. The average person won’t know the difference.

Troublezone wrote:

I guarantee Biden would not keep his word on anything except the New Deal, renewing the TPP and strengthening ties to China. American jobs will be gone! He’s a proud globalist. He pretends to be a blue collar hero, but he’s the opposite.

And just how has the trump administration's trade war with China/actions in general benefitted American workers? Tell that to, for example, soybean farmers or the entire agricultural industry in general.

Trump hasn't created more jobs at all. There may be very specific cases, but not in the broader sense.

And before any of you start touting how the economy is doing great, say, by pointing out that this quarter has seen a 33% increase in GDP, let me just remind you, that you're in a recession - as Andrew Yang pointed out, the United States had fallen by 33% - which means, by using simple math, you're still down by 11% from where you were - plus, such a turnaround was expected anyway, since it was a temporary dropped due to the pandemic. In essence - no progress made.

Troublezone wrote:

Lari wrote:

No reputable source has claimed anything funky going on with the counting of votes.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/nov/06/fact-checking-falsehoods-trumps-nov-5-election-rem/

Reputable to who? The “fall in line” people...
There is literally videos of ballot tampering on the internet. But go ahead and believe Disney(ABC), Bloomberg and Ted Turner.

I'll believe Politifact and the like over random people talking about "videos on the internet".

I get that you're very skeptical. But I don't see how you offer any sort of solid contrary evidence. None of us are investigative journalists, and simply disbelieving everything doesn't make you more enlightened.

I think most of us have solid intuitions as to what constitutes "reputable" and what does not.

Mglaffas81 wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Lari wrote:

No reputable source has claimed anything funky going on with the counting of votes.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/nov/06/fact-checking-falsehoods-trumps-nov-5-election-rem/

Reputable to who? The “fall in line” people...
There is literally videos of ballot tampering on the internet. But go ahead and believe Disney(ABC), Bloomberg and Ted Turner.

I'll believe Politifact and the like over random people talking about "videos on the internet".

I get that you're very skeptical. But I don't see how you offer any sort of solid contrary evidence. None of us are investigative journalists, and simply disbelieving everything doesn't make you more enlightened.

I think most of us have solid intuitions as to what constitutes "reputable" and what does not.

You can believe whatever you want. It’s your right. I do not trust the MSM. It’s a one sided narrative like every episode of John Oliver, Bill Maher, Trevor Noah, Jimmy Kimmel and SNL.

CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC are the same...

They never say shit about their own (except Bill Maher on occasion). They are all on the same team. Journalists and far left political entertainers. You wouldn’t believe how many people look to guys like John Oliver for political guidance. It’s literally a joke.