Best and worst era of metal?

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Boris2008 wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Boris2008 wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Best: 80s
Worst: now

Really?   

Yes.  Absolutely.

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I think now is great! You have to dig a little but there has been some amazing albums in the last few years.

Name 'em.

What just so that you can rubbish them? No thanks, can't be bothered.

So I can point out why I disagree and the 80s had so many better releases.

I dig pretty deep in the underground and haven't found many great ones in recent years.

I enjoyed the last two HATRIOT albums but would stop short of calling them great. They're not as good as, say, EXODUS from the 80s.

I'd call the latest VOIVOD album great and I think that's about it.

If thrash is your deal then I'd probably agree (I do really, really like that Reek album)

but off the top of my head utter greatness?

Oranssi Pazuzu - Valonielu
Triptykon - Melana Chasmata
Alcest - souvenirs d'un autre monde (6 years old but hey!)
Subrosa - More Constant than the Gods
Devin Townsend Project - Addicted

and then a whole stack more that I really, really dig (that I've raved about ad nauseum on here about)

I'm not even suggesting that heavy music is in better shape now than it was in 1975 or or 1985. But it crushes 1995 0r even 2005 so I would by no means call it the worst era.

But of course this is only an opinion.

Boris2008 wrote:

If thrash is your deal then I'd probably agree (I do really, really like that Reek album)

but off the top of my head utter greatness?

Oranssi Pazuzu - Valonielu
Triptykon - Melana Chasmata
Alcest - souvenirs d'un autre monde (6 years old but hey!)
Subrosa - More Constant than the Gods
Devin Townsend Project - Addicted

and then a whole stack more that I really, really dig (that I've raved about ad nauseum on here about)

I'm not even suggesting that heavy music is in better shape now than it was in 1975 or  or 1985. But it crushes 1995 0r even 2005 so I would by no means call it the worst era.

But of course this is only an opinion.

'95 at least still had grunge going on.

I would not say 1995 sucked:

AC/DC - Ballbreaker
Alice in Chains - Alice in Chains
At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul
Ayreon - The Final Experiment
Bal-Sagoth - A Black Moon Broods over Lemuria
Behemoth - Sventevith (Storming Near the Baltic)
Beowülf - 2Cents
Black Sabbath - Cross Purposes Live
Black Sabbath - Forbidden
Blind Guardian - Imaginations From the Other Side
Bruce Dickinson - Alive in Studio A
Carcass - Swansong
Cathedral - The Carnival Bizarre
Dark Tranquillity - The Gallery
Darkthrone - Panzerfaust (album)
Death - Symbolic
Deicide - Once Upon the Cross
Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane
Dokken - Dysfunctional
Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons (EP)
Edguy - Savage Poetry
Excel - Seeking Refuge
Extreme - Waiting for the Punchline
Faith No More - King for a Day... Fool for a Lifetime
Fear Factory - Demanufacture
Forced Entry - The Shore (EP)
Fu Manchu - Daredevil
Gamma Ray - Land of the Free
Iced Earth - Burnt Offerings
Immortal - Battles in the North
In Flames - Subterranean (EP)
Iron Maiden - The X Factor
King Diamond - The Spider's Lullabye
Kreator - Cause for Conflict
Krisiun - Black Force Domain
Kyuss - ...And the Circus Leaves Town
Lord Belial - Kiss the Goat
Megadeth - Hidden Treasures (EP)
Meshuggah - Destroy Erase Improve
Monster Magnet - Dopes to Infinity
Moonspell - Wolfheart
Morbid Angel - Domination (Morbid Angel album)
Motörhead - Sacrifice
My Dying Bride - The Angel and the Dark River
Necrophagist - Necrophagist (Demo)
Nevermore - Nevermore
Opeth - Orchid
Ozzy Osbourne - Ozzmosis
Paradise Lost - Draconian Times
Rage - Black in Mind
Saint Vitus - Die Healing
Savatage - Dead Winter Dead
Savatage - Japan Live '94
Sentenced - Amok
Savatage - Final Bell / Ghost in the Ruins
Skid Row - Subhuman Race
Sodom - Masquerade In Blood
Strapping Young Lad - Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing
Stratovarius - Fourth Dimension
Symphony X - The Damnation Game
Tankard - The Tankard
Theatre of Tragedy - Theatre of Tragedy
The 3rd and the Mortal - Nightswan (EP)
Trouble - Plastic Green Head
Uncle Slam - When God Dies
Unleashed - Victory
Virgin Black - Virgin Black Demo
Vital Remains - Into Cold Darkness
W.A.S.P. - Still Not Black Enough
Yngwie J. Malmsteen - Magnum Opus

My favorite era of metal is 1960 to 2014.

corplhicks wrote:

My favorite era of metal is 1960 to 2014.

Pffft. 1960 was for posers. Tr00 mettle peeps know that 1961 was where it was at, maaaaaaan.

My favorite era would be the 70's and 80's, but might have more to do more with the time I period I grew up and memories I have of discovering the bands I still love til this day, then the actual quality of the music bands new music scene are creating today.

I like how this guy, for some reason, chose to overlook the entire NWOBHM and Thrash movements.

Fat Freddy wrote:

corplhicks wrote:

My favorite era of metal is 1960 to 2014.

Pffft. 1960 was for posers. Tr00 mettle peeps know that 1961 was where it was at, maaaaaaan.

Chubby Checker with "Pony Time!!!"     

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Personally, I think Rage Against the Machine, Korn, Rammstein and Marylin Manson suck. And though I can respect the musicianship, I can't get into As I Lay Dying or Dillinger Escape Plan. I do like White Chapel, Meshuggah, Born Of Osiris and a little Winds Of Plague, though. I love Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Opeth, & Death too.

The 80s had much better stuff than what you listed. Helstar, Watchtower, Metal Church, Accept, Agent Steel, Abbatoir, Trouble, Candlemass, Armored Saint, Chastain, Jag Panzer, Lizzy Borden, King Diamond, Mercyful Fate, Sanctuary, Riot, Slayer...many more. You just had to know where to look.

And Black Sabbath w/ Dio is some of the greatest Heavy Metal ever made.

What he said!

I also laugh at how he said "that Dio guy." Total reverence and respect right there.

And yes, he is ignoring thrash, USPM, and NWOBHM.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

I would not say 1995 sucked:

AC/DC - Ballbreaker
Alice in Chains - Alice in Chains
At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul
Ayreon - The Final Experiment
Bal-Sagoth - A Black Moon Broods over Lemuria
Behemoth - Sventevith (Storming Near the Baltic)
Beowülf - 2Cents
Black Sabbath - Cross Purposes Live
Black Sabbath - Forbidden
Blind Guardian - Imaginations From the Other Side
Bruce Dickinson - Alive in Studio A
Carcass - Swansong
Cathedral - The Carnival Bizarre
Dark Tranquillity - The Gallery
Darkthrone - Panzerfaust (album)
Death - Symbolic
Deicide - Once Upon the Cross
Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane
Dokken - Dysfunctional
Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons (EP)
Edguy - Savage Poetry
Excel - Seeking Refuge
Extreme - Waiting for the Punchline
Faith No More - King for a Day... Fool for a Lifetime
Fear Factory - Demanufacture
Forced Entry - The Shore (EP)
Fu Manchu - Daredevil
Gamma Ray - Land of the Free
Iced Earth - Burnt Offerings
Immortal - Battles in the North
In Flames - Subterranean (EP)
Iron Maiden - The X Factor
King Diamond - The Spider's Lullabye
Kreator - Cause for Conflict
Krisiun - Black Force Domain
Kyuss - ...And the Circus Leaves Town
Lord Belial - Kiss the Goat
Megadeth - Hidden Treasures (EP)
Meshuggah - Destroy Erase Improve
Monster Magnet - Dopes to Infinity
Moonspell - Wolfheart
Morbid Angel - Domination (Morbid Angel album)
Motörhead - Sacrifice
My Dying Bride - The Angel and the Dark River
Necrophagist - Necrophagist (Demo)
Nevermore - Nevermore
Opeth - Orchid
Ozzy Osbourne - Ozzmosis
Paradise Lost - Draconian Times
Rage - Black in Mind
Saint Vitus - Die Healing
Savatage - Dead Winter Dead
Savatage - Japan Live '94
Sentenced - Amok
Savatage - Final Bell / Ghost in the Ruins
Skid Row - Subhuman Race
Sodom - Masquerade In Blood
Strapping Young Lad - Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing
Stratovarius - Fourth Dimension
Symphony X - The Damnation Game
Tankard - The Tankard
Theatre of Tragedy - Theatre of Tragedy
The 3rd and the Mortal - Nightswan (EP)
Trouble - Plastic Green Head
Uncle Slam - When God Dies
Unleashed - Victory
Virgin Black - Virgin Black Demo
Vital Remains - Into Cold Darkness
W.A.S.P. - Still Not Black Enough
Yngwie J. Malmsteen - Magnum Opus

Which is why I said that there was quality in every era in my first post. looking at that list though, I still prefer now by far.

I found stuff I liked in every era, even the musically depressed 1990s.

I'm shocked that any metal fan would say the 80's was the worst era. Sure there was the overly girly stuff of the 80's, but there was a TON of great music as well. In fact, even some of the bands that looked like girls had some great music. I guess if you weren't there you can never understand it.

My favorite era is probably the 70's and early 80's. The metal that was coming out then is timeless to me and I still frequent it regularly. I mean, a song like Nobody's Fault in 1976 blew us all away! There was UFO, Sabbath, Priest, Scorpions, Ted Nugent, Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Rainbow, etc. These bands were the heavy bands but none of them sounded like the other. They had personality and they were not confined to having to stay in a little box. They had unique vocalists who didn't all sound the same.

Then there was the New Wave of Heavy Metal that hit in the late 70's and early 1980's! That stuff just ruled! Riot, Raven, Anvil, Venom, Tygers of Pan Tang, Twisted Sister, Diamond Head, Iron Maiden, Saxon, Exciter, Dio...the list goes on and on. Nothing seemed heavier and the scene wasn't as fragmented as it is now. Metalheads didn't argue over who was and who isn't metal, and they certainly didn't disrespect the bands who gave way to the New Wave of Heavy Metal. That doesn't even include the fact that speed and thrash metal was born in the early 80's.



Of course we all know it would only get heavier and heavier. I remember when Napalm Death's "Scum" was released. I heard it for the first time and said to my room mate at the time, "if they get any faster it's going to just be one continuous noise".

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

I would not say 1995 sucked:

AC/DC - Ballbreaker
Alice in Chains - Alice in Chains
At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul
Ayreon - The Final Experiment
Bal-Sagoth - A Black Moon Broods over Lemuria
Behemoth - Sventevith (Storming Near the Baltic)
Beowülf - 2Cents
Black Sabbath - Cross Purposes Live
Black Sabbath - Forbidden
Blind Guardian - Imaginations From the Other Side
Bruce Dickinson - Alive in Studio A
Carcass - Swansong
Cathedral - The Carnival Bizarre
Dark Tranquillity - The Gallery
Darkthrone - Panzerfaust (album)
Death - Symbolic
Deicide - Once Upon the Cross
Dissection - Storm of the Light's Bane
Dokken - Dysfunctional
Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons (EP)
Edguy - Savage Poetry
Excel - Seeking Refuge
Extreme - Waiting for the Punchline
Faith No More - King for a Day... Fool for a Lifetime
Fear Factory - Demanufacture
Forced Entry - The Shore (EP)
Fu Manchu - Daredevil
Gamma Ray - Land of the Free
Iced Earth - Burnt Offerings
Immortal - Battles in the North
In Flames - Subterranean (EP)
Iron Maiden - The X Factor
King Diamond - The Spider's Lullabye
Kreator - Cause for Conflict
Krisiun - Black Force Domain
Kyuss - ...And the Circus Leaves Town
Lord Belial - Kiss the Goat
Megadeth - Hidden Treasures (EP)
Meshuggah - Destroy Erase Improve
Monster Magnet - Dopes to Infinity
Moonspell - Wolfheart
Morbid Angel - Domination (Morbid Angel album)
Motörhead - Sacrifice
My Dying Bride - The Angel and the Dark River
Necrophagist - Necrophagist (Demo)
Nevermore - Nevermore
Opeth - Orchid
Ozzy Osbourne - Ozzmosis
Paradise Lost - Draconian Times
Rage - Black in Mind
Saint Vitus - Die Healing
Savatage - Dead Winter Dead
Savatage - Japan Live '94
Sentenced - Amok
Savatage - Final Bell / Ghost in the Ruins
Skid Row - Subhuman Race
Sodom - Masquerade In Blood
Strapping Young Lad - Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing
Stratovarius - Fourth Dimension
Symphony X - The Damnation Game
Tankard - The Tankard
Theatre of Tragedy - Theatre of Tragedy
The 3rd and the Mortal - Nightswan (EP)
Trouble - Plastic Green Head
Uncle Slam - When God Dies
Unleashed - Victory
Virgin Black - Virgin Black Demo
Vital Remains - Into Cold Darkness
W.A.S.P. - Still Not Black Enough
Yngwie J. Malmsteen - Magnum Opus

Nice list there. Alot of good stuff !

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I remember when Napalm Death's "Scum" was released. I heard it for the first time and said to my room mate at the time, "if they get any faster it's going to just be one continuous noise".

My brother brought that record home and put it on the turntable, and I swear I thought something had gone horribly wrong with our stereo till I saw him jamming to it. "You mean...it's supposed to sound like that?"

Fat Freddy wrote:

Quote :

I remember when Napalm Death's "Scum" was released. I heard it for the first time and said to my room mate at the time, "if they get any faster it's going to just be one continuous noise".

My brother brought that record home and put it on the turntable, and I swear I thought something had gone horribly wrong with our stereo till I saw him jamming to it. "You mean...it's supposed to sound like that?"

Haha! Exactly!

Fat Freddy wrote:

Quote :

I remember when Napalm Death's "Scum" was released. I heard it for the first time and said to my room mate at the time, "if they get any faster it's going to just be one continuous noise".

My brother brought that record home and put it on the turntable, and I swear I thought something had gone horribly wrong with our stereo till I saw him jamming to it. "You mean...it's supposed to sound like that?"

I had the same experience expect it was with a cassette, I thought the guys tape was jacked up.

manny wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

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I remember when Napalm Death's "Scum" was released. I heard it for the first time and said to my room mate at the time, "if they get any faster it's going to just be one continuous noise".

My brother brought that record home and put it on the turntable, and I swear I thought something had gone horribly wrong with our stereo till I saw him jamming to it. "You mean...it's supposed to sound like that?"

I had the same experience expect it was with a cassette, I thought the guys tape was jacked up.

Same thing happened when my brother first got into Godflesh. I think the album is called "Streetcleaner?" He was listening to that tape on the boom box in our rec room and I thought either the batteries on the tape deck were dying or the tape was being eaten.

ultmetal wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Personally, I think Rage Against the Machine, Korn, Rammstein and Marylin Manson suck. And though I can respect the musicianship, I can't get into As I Lay Dying or Dillinger Escape Plan. I do like White Chapel, Meshuggah, Born Of Osiris and a little Winds Of Plague, though. I love Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Opeth, & Death too.

The 80s had much better stuff than what you listed. Helstar, Watchtower, Metal Church, Accept, Agent Steel, Abbatoir, Trouble, Candlemass, Armored Saint, Chastain, Jag Panzer, Lizzy Borden, King Diamond, Mercyful Fate, Sanctuary, Riot, Slayer...many more. You just had to know where to look.

And Black Sabbath w/ Dio is some of the greatest Heavy Metal ever made.

What he said!

I personally enjoy Rage, Manson, Rammstein and Korn, Alice In Chains are OK but not great, not really a Soundgarden fan.

TheGreatDuck wrote:

Boris2008 wrote:

If thrash is your deal then I'd probably agree (I do really, really like that Reek album)

but off the top of my head utter greatness?

Oranssi Pazuzu - Valonielu
Triptykon - Melana Chasmata
Alcest - souvenirs d'un autre monde (6 years old but hey!)
Subrosa - More Constant than the Gods
Devin Townsend Project - Addicted

and then a whole stack more that I really, really dig (that I've raved about ad nauseum on here about)

I'm not even suggesting that heavy music is in better shape now than it was in 1975 or  or 1985. But it crushes 1995 0r even 2005 so I would by no means call it the worst era.

But of course this is only an opinion.

'95 at least still had grunge going on.

And that's one of the biggest reasons 1995 feels like it must have been a terrible year. Some great releases, but the mainstream couldn't care less and it was mostly about angsty assholes in flannel shirts being all anti-metal.

corplhicks wrote:

I also laugh at how he said "that Dio guy." Total reverence and respect right there.

 

  

I kind of understand Ozzy fanboys trying to defend their hero, but to me there's no denying Dio being the better singer and frontman. Both are great, but Dio was the voice of metal.

Vexer6 wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Personally, I think Rage Against the Machine, Korn, Rammstein and Marylin Manson suck. And though I can respect the musicianship, I can't get into As I Lay Dying or Dillinger Escape Plan. I do like White Chapel, Meshuggah, Born Of Osiris and a little Winds Of Plague, though. I love Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Opeth, & Death too.

The 80s had much better stuff than what you listed. Helstar, Watchtower, Metal Church, Accept, Agent Steel, Abbatoir, Trouble, Candlemass, Armored Saint, Chastain, Jag Panzer, Lizzy Borden, King Diamond, Mercyful Fate, Sanctuary, Riot, Slayer...many more. You just had to know where to look.

And Black Sabbath w/ Dio is some of the greatest Heavy Metal ever made.

What he said!

I personally enjoy Rage, Manson, Rammstein and Korn, Alice In Chains are OK but not great, not really a Soundgarden fan.

Ehhh, I was mostly agreeing with his list of great 80's bands, moreso than the 90's bands he doesn't like.

The 80´s for me was the best because of Thrash and also Classic Metal. The 90´s had the "dungeons and dragons" Power Metal which I like some. Thrash was basically dead. I don´t like Death or Black Metal at all. Nu Metal is NOT Metal

The 2000´s see the ressurgence of Thrash so these are the "golden" eras of Metal for me.

Vexer6 wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Personally, I think Rage Against the Machine, Korn, Rammstein and Marylin Manson suck. And though I can respect the musicianship, I can't get into As I Lay Dying or Dillinger Escape Plan. I do like White Chapel, Meshuggah, Born Of Osiris and a little Winds Of Plague, though. I love Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Opeth, & Death too.

The 80s had much better stuff than what you listed. Helstar, Watchtower, Metal Church, Accept, Agent Steel, Abbatoir, Trouble, Candlemass, Armored Saint, Chastain, Jag Panzer, Lizzy Borden, King Diamond, Mercyful Fate, Sanctuary, Riot, Slayer...many more. You just had to know where to look.

And Black Sabbath w/ Dio is some of the greatest Heavy Metal ever made.

What he said!

I personally enjoy Rage, Manson, Rammstein and Korn, Alice In Chains are OK but not great, not really a Soundgarden fan.

Who in the world would call all this "alternative nu crap" "METAL". this is everything Metal ISN´T. Grunge and Nu Metal are the extreme oposites of real metal.