New Megadeth in June of '13

Orion Crystal Ice wrote:

All those suggestions are of a totally different era where there was money to spend buying records, record company money to spend building up bands, money that could afford a mistake, a very early time for many subgenres of rock music, plus in their heydey those bands had not been around 30 years already....... all kinds of things....the parameters are so totally and completely different from Megadeth putting out a couple records in the 2000s that it's kind of bizarre to even go there.

Of course it's a different era, I believe the reason for pointing it out is that in the 70s you had bands releasing very high quality recordings very quickly, so it's not impossible.

Bands don't make much money from albums any longer, any money they make is from constant touring. In the 70s, 80s and 90s it was common for bands to put out albums about once a year. Release an album, go on tour for 6 months, head back into the studio and start the process over.

Now that paradigm has changed to: Release an album, go on tour for 2+ years, then head back into the studio. These days you're lucky to get a new album every 3 years.

Record sales are 50% of what they were in 1999, however live music revenue has increased 40% from that same era due to all the festivals and package tours.

I understand that bands have released tons of output without much time in between records. Megadeth did it too. But even those mighty bands Zep, Sabbath, Kiss, etc. all succumbed to road burn out and a steady decline in creativity. I'm not going to pretend sabbath or zep's last albums are even close to the quality of thier presceeding work. I'm just saying there has to be something done to respark the fire to continue. In black sabbath's case, getting a new singer with a different vibe and the ability to write his own stuff did the trick for a while. With priest, the challenge of presented by really aggressive bands stealing their thunder inspired the awesome painkiller album. With megadeth, time off has proven to work, I'm suggesting it might again.

Very few bands have maintained consistent(ly good) output for the amount of time megadeth has. Those that have are special and are plain old on another level.

MEGADETH had most of the songs for their first 3 albums written in their first year of existence!

After a while people start families and have less time/music to devote to music. Add to that increased touring and you end up with some phoned-in albums.

I love JUDAS PRIEST (they are in my top 3 favorite bands ever) but almost all of their albums are very uneven in quality. Thank goodness there are so many of them so we can bunch all the good tracks together.

Don'r know how many of you love or hate Eddie Trunk, but I saw the most WTF thing on his Twitter today:

Really like the new @megadeth song Super Collider. I like when bands normally fast change it up a bit. Good stuff @davemustaine and crew!

— Eddie Trunk (@EddieTrunk) April 27, 2013

Usually the guy has decent taste.

corplhicks wrote:

Don'r know how many of you love or hate Eddie Trunk, but I saw the most WTF thing on his Twitter today:

Really like the new @megadeth song Super Collider. I like when bands normally fast change it up a bit. Good stuff @davemustaine and crew!

— Eddie Trunk (@EddieTrunk) April 27, 2013

Usually the guy has decent taste.

Knowledgeable guy but he kisses a lot of ass.

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They sound really cool, though. I mean there's some different — some little differences in there and, obviously, you've got different people playing that stuff and it's always interesting to hear their take on things.

That's what he said to Geoff Tate about his re-recordings on Frequency Unknown. I understand kissing ass is kind of necessary in his profession, but he needs to picks his spots a little better. There isn't one thing "really cool" about those re-recordings. This is one time that any other opinion is flat out wrong! Haha.

But hey, the new Megadeth tune is not nearly that bad so he may very well dig it. I certainly didn't hate it.

Eyesore wrote:

corplhicks wrote:

Don'r know how many of you love or hate Eddie Trunk, but I saw the most WTF thing on his Twitter today:

Really like the new @megadeth song Super Collider. I like when bands normally fast change it up a bit. Good stuff @davemustaine and crew!

— Eddie Trunk (@EddieTrunk) April 27, 2013

Usually the guy has decent taste.

Knowledgeable guy but he kisses a lot of ass.

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They sound really cool, though. I mean there's some different — some little differences in there and, obviously, you've got different people playing that stuff and it's always interesting to hear their take on things.

That's what he said to Geoff Tate about his re-recordings on Frequency Unknown. I understand kissing ass is kind of necessary in his profession, but he needs to picks his spots a little better. There isn't one thing "really cool" about those re-recordings. This is one time that any other opinion is flat out wrong! Haha.

But hey, the new Megadeth tune is not nearly that bad so he may very well dig it. I certainly didn't hate it.

You're right. He is an ass-kisser with the people he has strong relationships. Like Sammy Hagar. Ed has so much bullshit to speak about Sammy. But when it comes to Gene Simmons he gets on the pedestal. I had no idea he said that about FU; that just confirms his brown-nosing. In this case, he and Dave are pretty close, so there you go.

I gave super collider another honest listen. And there ar some things that are starting to pop out to me as positives. One being I love the bass playing going on. I did on the other clip as well. One thing that disappointed me about thirteen was that Dave jr.'s presence back in the band was underwhelming. It's cool to hear him bassin' it up. The song definitely gives him room to groove. The chorus is starting to gel with me more. Depending where the song sits in the tracklist it may make more sense in the context of the album. I still wish it sounded more finished. But my initial disappointment is starting to soften.

Well said but for me I don't look at it as disappointment. It's like there's this road map on display that points to all things gone wrong for this album. So I guess you could say I'm both apprehensive and am going in with low expectations. Here are some clues I'm gleaning:

1. Thirteen was terribly mixed and was made up of unfocused songwriting.
2. The cover to Super Collider is a bizarre choice.
3. Johnny K selected to produce the album.
4. Again, let that sink in: Johnny K selected to produce the album.
5. David Draiman as guest vocalist (I understand many not see why this is a big deal).
6. Title track released for streaming as single, sounds like an anti-thrash mediocre mess.
7. Single stream quickly pulled from website, allegedly due to negative reception.
8. Metal boards everywhere fill with hate and anger. j/k

I feel like I'm forgetting something, but you get the gist. I'm still holding out for a hero on this one, but I'm not feeling it now. Shrug.

9. Eddie Trunk likes it

10. One song is getting more discussion than most albums (which usually translates as, this sucks, but it's a heard-of band sucking)

Ill make my judgement when the album comes out.

exact33 wrote:

Ill make my judgement when the album comes out.

Same here

manny wrote:

exact33 wrote:

Ill make my judgement when the album comes out.

Same here

Ditto. I'm a fan-boy, so there's gonna be something of value in it for me regardess. Unless it's Risk Pt. II.

I will admit that Junior and Dave going on in the press about how old-school (fast, thrashy, multiple time changes, etc.) this new album is, then releasing a track that is nothing at all like that seems moronic.

Pshaw. Waiting until the album comes out? You guys and your common sense.

MetalGuy71 wrote:

I will admit that Junior and Dave going on in the press about how old-school (fast, thrashy, multiple time changes, etc.) this new album is, then releasing a track that is nothing at all like that seems moronic.

This is what has blown it for me. Killing ig My Business is my favorite Megadeth record and they were comparing this to that album, from the bits that I've heard, I wouldn't be too surprised if they were getting high again!

Something has to be affecting their minds!

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Pshaw. Waiting until the album comes out? You guys and your common sense.

Exactly! Common sense be darned to heck! I'm getting out all my over analytical nitpicking now so that I can look like a total hypocrite when supercollider doesn't leave my CD player for a month, thank you very much.

I'm a fanboy too and no matter how much my mind tells me this will be a let down ill probably still squeal like a schoolgirl when I spin it for the first time. The heart just wants what it wants I guess.

Got to admit, I did my fair share on the Sabbath thread until I heard the song, and am delighted to eat my words.

But the title song on this is and

MetalGuy71 wrote:

manny wrote:

exact33 wrote:

Ill make my judgement when the album comes out.

Same here

Ditto. I'm a fan-boy, so there's gonna be something of value in it for me regardess. Unless it's Risk Pt. II.

I will admit that Junior and Dave going on in the press about how old-school (fast, thrashy, multiple time changes, etc.) this new album is, then releasing a track that is nothing at all like that seems moronic.

Count me in as well. A lot of the people I hear complaining didn't like Thirteen. I really liked it so maybe my ears will be attuned to the new one.

DallasBlack wrote:

MetalGuy71 wrote:

manny wrote:

exact33 wrote:

Ill make my judgement when the album comes out.

Same here

Ditto. I'm a fan-boy, so there's gonna be something of value in it for me regardess. Unless it's Risk Pt. II.

I will admit that Junior and Dave going on in the press about how old-school (fast, thrashy, multiple time changes, etc.) this new album is, then releasing a track that is nothing at all like that seems moronic.

Count me in as well. A lot of the people I hear complaining didn't like Thirteen. I really liked it so maybe my ears will be attuned to the new one.

While 13 is nowhere near my favorite Megadeth, I thought it was far superior to Endgame in every area except production.

I'm still in disbelief at how much one of those new Megadeth songs sounds like one of Ultimatum's old songs.

I'm looking forward to this album nonetheless.

No kidding... I just did a side by side comparison of "don't run your back" and "one for all"...

The resemblance is sure striking. By the by, that's one of my favorite ultimatum songs. I think I'm just gonna let "into the pit" play thru now as I finish my last hour of back breaking pain in th ass work. It will make things better

manny wrote:

exact33 wrote:

Ill make my judgement when the album comes out.

Same here

Me too - already pre-ordered it

I recall Van Halen putting "Tattoo" out in front of "A Different Kind Of Truth" and just about everybody was like,

.....and the rest of the album was not only better, it was different.

Like I've already said, the title track isn't bad and my basis for liking this new Megadeth album is not gonna be on the merits of the first tune thrown over the fence.

James B. wrote:

I recall Van Halen putting "Tattoo" out in front of "A Different Kind Of Truth" and just about everybody was like,

.....and the rest of the album was not only better, it was different.

Like I've already said, the title track isn't bad and my basis for liking this new Megadeth album is not gonna be on the merits of the first tune thrown over the fence.

Excellent point. I wasn't enthusiastic about "tattoo," but quite enjoyed the bulk of a different kind of truth.

James B. wrote:

I recall Van Halen putting "Tattoo" out in front of "A Different Kind Of Truth" and just about everybody was like,

.....and the rest of the album was not only better, it was different.

Like I've already said, the title track isn't bad and my basis for liking this new Megadeth album is not gonna be on the merits of the first tune thrown over the fence.

Okay, this is a very good point. Same here, Tattoo AND You and Your Blues were the first two songs our station debuted, and I was mortified. Also, the album title choice was horrendous, the cover art was generic...I was just expecting the worst. Turned out to be a dream come true. That said, perhaps waiting for Super Collider in full before generating an opinion is the best idea.




Naw. It's gonna suck