New Megadeth in June of '13

Fat Freddy wrote:

Listened to the title track a couple of times again last night. Dave sounds constipated.

thankfully i have no frame of reference for that statement

Don't get FF started on that subject. He'll get to the great Ex Lax debacle of 2007 and you'll wish you in a coma.

Dark Horseman wrote:

Don't get FF started on that subject. He'll get to the great Ex Lax debacle of 2007 and you'll wish you in a coma.

and Eyesore says we moderate too much!

First-day illegal download for me!

I am huge Megadeth fan but that was horrid

I didnt think that the title track was too bad. It kind of reminded me of something melodic off either Youtanasia, or Cryptic Writings. It wasnt the worst song they have done I don't think either, and Im fairly confident there will be some shred on the rest of the album.

Storm_Rider89 wrote:

I didnt think that the title track was too bad. It kind of reminded me of something melodic off either Youtanasia, or Cryptic Writings. It wasnt the worst song they have done I don't think either, and Im fairly confident there will be some shred on the rest of the album.

Right, but without a good chorus or anything truly memorable.

I have a hard time believing this will be good.

Drover and Broderick are just SO BORING. Dave needs to hire some players with technique AND PERSONALITY. Like Hoglan and LaRoque.

And Dave is cranking this stuff out too fast to create any real classics IMHO.

Right, it just rambles on.

Temple of Blood wrote:

And Dave is cranking this stuff out too fast to create any real classics IMHO.

Good point. He's been cranking them out every 2-3 years for a looong time and touring practically nonstop I between em all. Sooner or later whatever gland he has that gets his creative juices going will tap out. It just happens. After the nerve injury Dave had alot of time off of playing and touring and came out of the gate with (imho) one of his most inspired albums, the system has failed. It seemed like he was going strong thru endgame, which I love, before the wheels came off and we got 13, a hodgepodge of some decent stuff, some not so and a bunch of regurgitated songs. His voice too is declining rapidly and I gotta think its the touring. He's no spring chicken and he has got to take care of his voice cuz without it there is no megadeth.

I sure this album will have its highlights, at least for any longtime fan, but I just can't help but think that if he would lay off the record cycle for a bit we might get the best songs from 13 and supercollider and whatever cool stuff a more fertile mind might write, all on one record with time to properly arrange them into interesting songs.

I totally agree with all that Devzor.

Plus it was a bad omen that he had to use all the leftover tracks that weren't good enough for RiP and CtE on his last album.

Got in an original pressing of Rust in Peace today, listening to it now. I've had the remastered version for some time and before that hadn't heard the album since I was a teenager. Major f*cking difference in the two mixes as I do comparisons, as you all know at this point, but this is beside the point. First, why can't Dave write beautiful music like this again. Second, and most importantly, his voice is waaaaay back in the mix, teetering on getting buried by the music, much less present than even Peace Sells. It works so well. I flipped over to Supercollider and the opposite is pretty obvious. Dave's voice is maxed out and the music is kind of lounging back there. Add to the fact that the music is a mess and poorly mixed to really pick anything out--I dunno, I have a bad feeling that, knowing Johnny Z is at the helm, it may not get any better than this.

At least that's how my ear perceives everything. And Eyesore is right, there's nothing hooky or memorable about the new song, it's a rambling incoherent mess. I actually had moderate expectations going in.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with putting out an album every 2 or 3 years. Dave is just losing his spark.

I've had a listen to the preview of Super Collider. On the first few listens, it didn't do much for me. My conclusion is that there are snippets of good stuff found in there (the riffs immediately prior to the chorus, for example), and the song is quite catchy. But on the whole, it is a tune that seems to be aimed more towards something you'd hear on a mainstream radio station. There is some good lead guitar work, but nothing that grabbed me like the solos on Th1rt3en. The bass playing seems to have held up well. Unfortunately, the mix seems to focus on Dave's vocals, which are not the song's strong point. Which brings me to a question: Are his vocals auto-tuned?

I'd imagine that there'll be some much better tracks on the rest of the album.

That's just my opinion.

Grimmo wrote:

But on the whole, it is a tune that seems to be aimed more towards something you'd hear on a mainstream radio station.

That's the general consensus, but I can't even hear this being a hit with the American Idol crowd.

I just popped over to YouTube and listened to the track "supercollider"


Was expecting a train wreck, but heard a tune that (IMHDO) isn't as bad as this thread dictated. It certainly has that "Cryptic Writings" vibe.

I'd give the song a 5/10 and it's better than any song on Tate's new cd (IMHDO)

Eyesore wrote:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with putting out an album every 2 or 3 years. Dave is just losing his spark.

I never said there, was anythng wrong with that, in fact im glad that there has been a steady stream of deth albums, and I get that this is dave's livlihood. I'm suggesting however that the long term grind is why Dave is losing his spark. It. happened before his hand injury too. The albums slowly deteriorated until the world needs a hero, which was really forgetable safe for a few songs (which is where thjs album seems to be heading). Then dave gets hurt, has some time off touring to focus on some other things and bam! Hits out a string of great metal albums.
I'm not suggestions, go Dave go the metallica route, and clumsily fumble about for the better parts of a decade trying to hobble together an album. I just think hed needs some time to recharge his batteries and give his voice and body rest.

Eyesore wrote:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with putting out an album every 2 or 3 years.

That all depends on how much a band is touring.

Never heard a band do a ton of touring and record frequently with great results.

Temple of Blood wrote:

Never heard a band do a ton of touring and record frequently with great results.

They did it in the 1970's alot !

KISS did 6 1/2 studio albums and 1 3/4 live albums in 4 years.

RUSH did 6 studio albums and 1 live album in 5 years.

Both bands did a MAJOR touring in those same time frames.

Temple of Blood wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with putting out an album every 2 or 3 years.

That all depends on how much a band is touring.

Never heard a band do a ton of touring and record frequently with great results.

Ummm... KISS from 74 - 77 (constant touring, 6 studio albums, 2 live albums) all classics.

Iron Maiden (80 - 85) non stop touring, 5 studio albums, 1 live album, 1 live EP, all classics

Judas Priest (76 - 82) non stop touring, 7 studio albums, 1 live album, all classics

Deep Purple (70 - 74) non stop touring, 6 studio albums, 1 live album, classics

AC/DC (75 - 81) non stop touring (aside from Bon Scott's death), 8 studio albums (recorded AUS albums VS intl one), 1 live album, all classics

Motorhead (77 - present) When is Lemmy not on tour????? non stop albums and live albums

James B. wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Never heard a band do a ton of touring and record frequently with great results.

They did it in the 1970's alot !

KISS did 6 1/2 studio albums and 1 3/4 live albums in 4 years.

RUSH did 6 studio albums and 1 live album in 5 years.

Both bands did a MAJOR touring in those same time frames.

Forgot to add in Rush!!! I am sure I am missing a ton of other bands that did that exact same thing

Led Zeppelin, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, ELO, Yes, ELP...dozens and dozens of others.

AC/DC, Deep Purple, Alice Cooper, Aerosmith, Bob Dylan, The Doors, actually Temple just go look at your CD collection

All those suggestions are of a totally different era where there was money to spend buying records, record company money to spend building up bands, money that could afford a mistake, a very early time for many subgenres of rock music, plus in their heydey those bands had not been around 30 years already....... all kinds of things....the parameters are so totally and completely different from Megadeth putting out a couple records in the 2000s that it's kind of bizarre to even go there.

Temple of Blood wrote:

I have a hard time believing this will be good.

Drover and Broderick are just SO BORING. Dave needs to hire some players with technique AND PERSONALITY. Like Hoglan and LaRoque.

And Dave is cranking this stuff out too fast to create any real classics IMHO.

yep. the unfortunate thing is that I don't know if people really demand personality in players lately. They demand presentation and hype and can you play this, but few traits that make a player recognizable and individual. The decaying interest of the 'individual' in society as a whole factors into it, which is the complete antithesis of the metal mindset, but yet stuff like Iced Earth still sells boatloads.

Boston.

Wait, bad example.