Sooooo, Black Metal...

Virtually all black metal is horrible, so you're not missing much.

The only one I've heard that I thought was great was EMPEROR - "Anthems to the Welkyn at Dusk", which actually has memorable riffs/songs and isn't too long. It actually makes you want to pick up the guitar to play along with the riffs.

Fat Freddy wrote:

I simply don't "get" black metal. Then again, I never "got" death metal either.

Same here. I'll pass.

I really enjoy the bands copying the Hellhammer/early Bathory stuff. But not much else.

SpectreFate wrote:

I really enjoy the bands copying the Hellhammer/early Bathory stuff. But not much else.

Was Hellhammer really Black Metal? I am admittedably uneducated. But those guys were Swiss and the real Black Metal thing happened way north of there. I cannot consider even the early Celtic Frost REAL BM.

UNCLE SAXON'S KICKASS CDS wrote:

SpectreFate wrote:

I really enjoy the bands copying the Hellhammer/early Bathory stuff. But not much else.

Was Hellhammer really Black Metal? I am admittedably uneducated. But those guys were Swiss and the real Black Metal thing happened way north of there. I cannot consider even the early Celtic Frost REAL BM.

Ask any corpse painted angsty youth and they swear Hellhammer and Bathory were the roots of black metal. I don't call 'em that, but the bands that copy that sound are considered BM, such as Darkthrone.

SpectreFate wrote:

UNCLE SAXON'S KICKASS CDS wrote:

SpectreFate wrote:

I really enjoy the bands copying the Hellhammer/early Bathory stuff. But not much else.

Was Hellhammer really Black Metal? I am admittedably uneducated. But those guys were Swiss and the real Black Metal thing happened way north of there. I cannot consider even the early Celtic Frost REAL BM.

Ask any corpse painted angsty youth and they swear Hellhammer and Bathory were the roots of black metal. I don't call 'em that, but the bands that copy that sound are considered BM, such as Darkthrone.

So, Slayer wa Black Metal then?

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So, Slayer wa Black Metal then?

Sure, why not.

SpectreFate wrote:

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So, Slayer wa Black Metal then?

Sure, why not.

Well....... the term Black Metal seems to have changed since the early 80's. Back then, we used it to refer to the outright satanic bands, like Venom (who seemed to have invented the term), Hellhammer and Slayer (first album). It seems the current black metal bands just took the name to describe themselves.

Orion Crystal Ice wrote:

Black metal is the same as every kind of music. If you speak the language, it speaks to you, if you can see the colors, they'll be seen. The general style, production, and themes that tend to help make the hallmarks of the style are things that have a place in my emotional palate. It has to be approached objectively, how else does one approach art? Of course, that emotional palate holds things ranging from extreme joy to sadness to hate and love and everything in between. So a great song by Judas Priest or Labyrinth will likely not speak to the same part of me as something from Limbonic Art or Lengsel. Everyone with me so far?

Black metal is also the same as every kind of music in that there is some very good music, and then a whole lot of terrible bands doing genre-exercises. No difference in the good-poor ratio there either.

I'm a born-again Christian libertarian with a life-long deep interest and experience in the paranormal, and have experienced varying extreme degrees of emotional damage and/or addiction. I'm a hyper-aware, hyper-sensitive personality who is a writer and musician who sometimes has to struggle just to manage "everyday life" and the "mundane" things that go with it. And, the only single response a statement like that usually gets is some condescending comment about youth, or a recommendation to shove some Big Pharma drugs down my throat. So, it's safe to say I have a place for all metal.

Some of my favorite black metal:

Blut aus Nord
Lengsel
Emperor
Gris
Limbonic Art
Immortal
Wolves in the Throne Room
Lunaris

I bet your really, really fun on a date

I have OCI's Warlock. Don't mess with the best...

UNCLE SAXON'S KICKASS CDS wrote:

I have OCI's Warlock. Don't mess with the best...

I am not downing the guy, the conversation would be quite interesting me thinks ?

Black Metal is one of my favorite genres. I like all the different styles of BM, some more than others. I didn't get into it until I was in my 30's so I don't buy the "it's just noise" or "stuff that angry kids listen to." I'll admit upon my first listen I was taken back, but the more I listened to it, the more I liked it. For me, the feelings that are brought out in the music is what I like about it most. Sure, they are mostly negative feelings like distress and anger, but these were feelings that I could relate to at the time I started getting into it. It was the perfect soundtrack to how I felt, and after listening to it, I felt better. It's helped me get through the most difficult times. I love it.

UNCLE SAXON'S KICKASS CDS wrote:

I have OCI's Warlock. Don't mess with the best...

I play an Iceman. You're thinking of another guy. A cheater, like all the rest.

Orion Crystal Ice wrote:

UNCLE SAXON'S KICKASS CDS wrote:

I have OCI's Warlock. Don't mess with the best...

I play an Iceman. You're thinking of another guy. A cheater, like all the rest.

Are you sure? I bought someones Warlock from the CMR WAAAYYYY back when I actually thought that board had something to offer. Pretty sure it was you bro.

Joe wrote:

For me, the feelings that are brought out in the music is what I like about it most. Sure, they are mostly negative feelings like distress and anger, but these were feelings that I could relate to at the time I started getting into it. It was the perfect soundtrack to how I felt, and after listening to it, I felt better. It's helped me get through the most difficult times. I love it.

this mirrors my feelings, although i got into it at a younger age. it's a very emotional form of music for sure.

Nope, never sold a Warlock or owned one for that matter.

and now for some Blut Aus Nord

James B. wrote:

Orion Crystal Ice wrote:

Black metal is the same as every kind of music. If you speak the language, it speaks to you, if you can see the colors, they'll be seen. The general style, production, and themes that tend to help make the hallmarks of the style are things that have a place in my emotional palate. It has to be approached objectively, how else does one approach art? Of course, that emotional palate holds things ranging from extreme joy to sadness to hate and love and everything in between. So a great song by Judas Priest or Labyrinth will likely not speak to the same part of me as something from Limbonic Art or Lengsel. Everyone with me so far?

Black metal is also the same as every kind of music in that there is some very good music, and then a whole lot of terrible bands doing genre-exercises. No difference in the good-poor ratio there either.

I'm a born-again Christian libertarian with a life-long deep interest and experience in the paranormal, and have experienced varying extreme degrees of emotional damage and/or addiction. I'm a hyper-aware, hyper-sensitive personality who is a writer and musician who sometimes has to struggle just to manage "everyday life" and the "mundane" things that go with it. And, the only single response a statement like that usually gets is some condescending comment about youth, or a recommendation to shove some Big Pharma drugs down my throat. So, it's safe to say I have a place for all metal.

Some of my favorite black metal:

Blut aus Nord
Lengsel
Emperor
Gris
Limbonic Art
Immortal
Wolves in the Throne Room
Lunaris

I bet your really, really fun on a date

I'm not a big BM guy but if I'm in the right mood I can get into it. Just not the kind of thing I can pull off the shelf and throw on. One I really like is Enslaved's Ruun. Of course most their fans seem to hate that one.

Someone mentioned the hybrid Black Metal...that's more my thing too. When Black Metal is mixed with other influences (like w/ Enslaved, Agalloch or Alcest) I can totally get into it.

The very little I've heard over the years didn't appeal to me. And reading through this thread, some of the elements that people have mentioned that make up the genre (shreiking vocals, gutteral vocals, orchestral moments, folky passages, ambient noise) makes me want to avoid it even more. I don't like that shite in any of my music, black or otherwise.

I used to be really into black metal. I still listen to some now and again but not much theses days.

Some of my favorite bm bands are

Dark Funeral
Marduk
1349
Burzum
Immortal
Impaled Nazarene
Gorgoroth
Impiety
King

Alcest is fantastic, but I wouldn't classify them as black metal, or metal at all for that matter. It is possible to occasionally use metal "ingredients" in your music without actually being metal.

Orion Crystal Ice wrote:

and now for some Blut Aus Nord

I really enjoy what I've heard from that band.

I feel like dumping some black metal, guess this would be the thread to do it.

S.D. wrote:

Alcest is fantastic, but I wouldn't classify them as black metal, or metal at all for that matter. It is possible to occasionally use metal "ingredients" in your music without actually being metal.

Which is why I included it in "hybrid". It has ingredients of Black Metal...but overall is not. That's how I view Agalloch and Enslaved too...but I guess it's in reverse w/ Alcest.