Keeper of the Seven Keys Part One or Two?

MoonChild wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

It's a tie right now!! Come on people, we're supposed to settle this. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!

...... and let that be Part II

you got that right!!!! down with Part 1!!!

I am not saying Part I is bad, but that Part II is better

MoonChild wrote:

I am not saying Part I is bad, but that Part II is better

i know - I was just trying to goad FF.

Here's one more thing to notice:

Part One 37:04
Part Two 54:50

Part Two is over 17 minutes longer. That's equal quality music, just more of it! Clearly this makes it the superior album.

Lari wrote:

Here's one more thing to notice:

Part One 37:04
Part Two 54:50

Part Two is over 17 minutes longer. That's equal quality music, just more of it! Clearly this makes it the superior album.

yeah!! Take that FF!!!

exact33 wrote:

Lari wrote:

Here's one more thing to notice:

Part One 37:04
Part Two 54:50

Part Two is over 17 minutes longer. That's equal quality music, just more of it! Clearly this makes it the superior album.

yeah!! Take that FF!!!

LP Length vs CD Length, since CD's were the primary format by the time Part 2 came out.

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Part Two 54:50

What does it clock in at if you cut out the annoying songs ("Rise & Fall," "Dr. Stein" and "Keeper of the Seven Keys") and leave the good stuff?

Part 1 is better than part 2, but part 3 is better than both of them.

Lari wrote:

Here's one more thing to notice:

Part One 37:04
Part Two 54:50

Part Two is over 17 minutes longer. That's equal quality music, just more of it! Clearly this makes it the superior album.

But the good part of Pt. II is even shorter (minus "Keeper" it is already 40 mins).

After reading this thread I went back and listened to them both last night. Haven't listened to them in a while actually as if I'm in a helloween mood unusually go for one of the recent albums. 7 sinners and gambling with the devil are absolutely cracking albums. I've been a fan right through what I call the deris resurrection of the band.

Back to topic, both keeper albums are stone cold, 24 carat solid gold classics. Love em both but part 1 gets my vote as to me it has a more consistent feel, consistent in that I never skip a single track and love them all. Despite part 2 having I want out which is one of my fave helloween songs it has a couple of tracks I could easily skip.

Eyesore wrote:

Part 1 is better than part 2, but part 3 is better than both of them.

Part 3? Really?

"I like him. He's silly."

:Wayne wrote:

part 1 gets my vote as to me it has a more consistent feel, consistent in that I never skip a single track and love them all. Despite part 2 having I want out which is one of my fave helloween songs it has a couple of tracks I could easily skip.

This here is kinda sorta what I've been sayin' all along, but much more concise.

Fat Freddy wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Part 1 is better than part 2, but part 3 is better than both of them.

Part 3? Really?

I didn't begin listening to Helloween until the mid-90s or so. I don't hold those early Helloween in such high regard. The Deris era, in my opinion, blows the Kiske era away. No contest.

I love the Keeper 1 and 2, but yeah, I think The Legacy is a far better album.

Eyesore wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Part 1 is better than part 2, but part 3 is better than both of them.

Part 3? Really?

I didn't begin listening to Helloween until the mid-90s or so. I don't hold those early Helloween in such high regard. The Deris era, in my opinion, blows the Kiske era away. No contest.

I love the Keeper 1 and 2, but yeah, I think The Legacy is a far better album.

I can agree (conditionally) with your opinion on the Deris era. I've been listening to them since the '80s but nowadays I probably listen to BETTER THAN RAW or THE DARK RIDE more often than the older albums when I'm in a Helloween mood.

KEEPER 3 just didn't do much for me though. It just seemed unnecessary, especially since it was nearly 20 years after the first two. It didn't need to be strung out over 2 CDs either. There's some good stuff on KEEPER 3 but they could've easily boiled it down to a single disc.

Well, The Legacy was clearly an attempt to cash in on the popularity of the first two. That was unnecessary. However, this is no Operation: Mindcrime II, you know. It's not half-assed and weak.

As for it being a double album, I'd find it difficult to actually pick even one song not worthy of being on there. I mean, to make it one disc you'd have to get rid of like four or five songs unless you took off "King for 1,000 Years" or "Occasion Avenue," and that would be absurd because both those songs are FAN-FOOKIN-TASTIC!

Eh. Either way, these cats rule. I can even dig on Chameleon and Pink Bubbles from time to time, when the mood is right. Have the put out a truly bad album besides those two relative stinkers? Am I sending this train (topic) off the rails?

Fat Freddy wrote:

I probably listen to BETTER THAN RAW or THE DARK RIDE more often than the older albums when I'm in a Helloween mood.

aside from Walls of Jericho, those 2 plus Rabbit Don't Come Easy (dumb name) are the best Helloween albums imo.

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Have the put out a truly bad album besides those two relative stinkers?

I'd say that UNARMED thing qualifies.

Fat Freddy wrote:

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Have the put out a truly bad album besides those two relative stinkers?

I'd say that UNARMED thing qualifies.

I liked that one. Definitely not a go-to album, but I think they pulled it off well.

Eyesore wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

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Have the put out a truly bad album besides those two relative stinkers?

I'd say that UNARMED thing qualifies.

I liked that one. Definitely not a go-to album, but I think they pulled it off well.

You have a cast iron stomach.

Fat Freddy wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Part 1 is better than part 2, but part 3 is better than both of them.

Part 3? Really?

I didn't begin listening to Helloween until the mid-90s or so. I don't hold those early Helloween in such high regard. The Deris era, in my opinion, blows the Kiske era away. No contest.

I love the Keeper 1 and 2, but yeah, I think The Legacy is a far better album.

I can agree (conditionally) with your opinion on the Deris era. I've been listening to them since the '80s but nowadays I probably listen to BETTER THAN RAW or THE DARK RIDE more often than the older albums when I'm in a Helloween mood.

KEEPER 3 just didn't do much for me though. It just seemed unnecessary, especially since it was nearly 20 years after the first two. It didn't need to be strung out over 2 CDs either. There's some good stuff on KEEPER 3 but they could've easily boiled it down to a single disc.

Helloween Fan boy here.... I believe that whole album does fit on 1 disc they just divided it onto 2 discs.

Fat Freddy wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

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Have the put out a truly bad album besides those two relative stinkers?

I'd say that UNARMED thing qualifies.

I liked that one. Definitely not a go-to album, but I think they pulled it off well.

You have a cast iron stomach.

no - he just has good taste

I think Unarmed is a good listen - but just not all the time.

I think "Legacy" is the worst of the Deris-era albums.

1. Gambling with the Devil
2. Better than Raw
3. Rabbit Don't Come Easy
4. 7 Sinners
5. The Dark Ride
6. The Time of the Oath
7. Master of the Rings
8. The Legacy

...or something like that.

Lari wrote:

I think "Legacy" is the worst of the Deris-era albums.

1. Gambling with the Devil
2. Better than Raw
3. Rabbit Don't Come Easy
4. 7 Sinners
5. The Dark Ride
6. The Time of the Oath
7. Master of the Rings
8. The Legacy

...or something like that.

Rabbit has my vote for the worse of Deris.

1. Gambling with the Devil
2. The Dark Ride
3. Master of the Rings
4. 7 Sinners
5. The Time of the Oath
6. The Legacy
7. Better than Raw
8. Rabbit Don't Come Easy

exact33 wrote:

Lari wrote:

I think "Legacy" is the worst of the Deris-era albums.

1. Gambling with the Devil
2. Better than Raw
3. Rabbit Don't Come Easy
4. 7 Sinners
5. The Dark Ride
6. The Time of the Oath
7. Master of the Rings
8. The Legacy

...or something like that.

Rabbit has my vote for the worse of Deris.

1. Gambling with the Devil
2. The Dark Ride
3. Master of the Rings
4. 7 Sinners
5. The Time of the Oath
6. The Legacy
7. Better than Raw
8. Rabbit Don't Come Easy

What the hell? Better Than Raw second from bottom? Wow.

But see, I think is a sign of a great band. When opinions are so drastic in contrast, that typically means a band is great. Same goes for an album. When people generally have different favorites songs, it's probably a great album.

Anyway, Alex, you're almost right. I was thinking the album was 102 minutes, but I read it wrong. It's 1 hour, 2 minutes. So like 80+. So you could probably remove one or two songs and get it on one disc.

But what song(s)? I couldn't pick one. Maybe "Born on Judgment Day," if I had to pick?

Eyesore wrote:

exact33 wrote:

Lari wrote:

I think "Legacy" is the worst of the Deris-era albums.

1. Gambling with the Devil
2. Better than Raw
3. Rabbit Don't Come Easy
4. 7 Sinners
5. The Dark Ride
6. The Time of the Oath
7. Master of the Rings
8. The Legacy

...or something like that.

Rabbit has my vote for the worse of Deris.

1. Gambling with the Devil
2. The Dark Ride
3. Master of the Rings
4. 7 Sinners
5. The Time of the Oath
6. The Legacy
7. Better than Raw
8. Rabbit Don't Come Easy

What the hell? Better Than Raw second from bottom? Wow.

But see, I think is a sign of a great band. When opinions are so drastic in contrast, that typically means a band is great. Same goes for an album. When people generally have different favorites songs, it's probably a great album.

Anyway, Alex, you're almost right. I was thinking the album was 102 minutes, but I read it wrong. It's 1 hour, 2 minutes. So like 80+. So you could probably remove one or two songs and get it on one disc.

But what song(s)? I couldn't pick one. Maybe "Born on Judgment Day," if I had to pick?

I enjoy the Deris materal a lot. I dont think he has any clunkers during his period but I dont enjoy BTR as much as I do the others.

"The Legacy" is definitely the worst, those ultra-long epic songs seemed pointless at times, worst of all, it was a double disc, a boring double disc, I could listen to any Pink Cream 69 album from start to finish, but not with "Legacy", it's like watching a paint dry

"Rabbit" has moments, but I wouldn't classify it as their second worst either