Keeper of the Seven Keys Part One or Two?

corplhicks wrote:

Jesus Christ, brother, it's because I like to. I don't claim to have more knowledge than anyone else here. I've come here to learn more about the music I love; that's what got me into Scott's site. I'm also younger than you. I came onto the scene much later than you did, so I'll admit I probably don't know as much, but why should that matter? Also, no one is backing you up on these claims you're making about me. I've found a unique group of friendly people that respect my opinion and may disagree with me in a controlled and non-condescending tone. I'm not finding that in you, as you've been nitpicking virtually every post I've made since I joined without even welcoming me to the boards.

I have no metal community to speak of where I come from, most of my friends really don't dig rock and metal like I do, and it's the one thing that kept me alive in my teens and has been my highest source of inspiration in this life I love. So, please, either let's be friends, or just leave me alone; either way I want to enjoy being a part of this community without being criticized for posting my opinion.

Fair enough. My apologies.

For the record, I wasn't trying to nitpick. And I surely didn't do it to everything you posted. You just have strong opinions and every time I saw you backtrack or admit that you hadn't listened to a band in a long time after giving a very strong opinion on said band, it just didn't make sense to me.

But it's all good. Again, my apologies. Not trying to pick fights. This is a great forum and a great group of people.

Except Spectrefate and S.D.

Eyesore wrote:

Fair enough. My apologies.

For the record, I wasn't trying to nitpick. And I surely didn't do it to everything you posted. You just have strong opinions and every time I saw you backtrack or admit that you hadn't listened to a band in a long time after giving a very strong opinion on said band, it just didn't make sense to me.

But it's all good. Again, my apologies. Not trying to pick fights. This is a great forum and a great group of people.

Except Spectrefate and S.D.

You're bi-polar.

...and I agree, I'm an ass.

On that note, I was going to say that Keepers is bi-winning! lol

Alex Dee Rokket wrote:

On that note, I was going to say that Keepers is bi-winning! lol

I love this board, but I am convinced I am the least metal board member ever on this site.

The only reason I ever picked any Helloween discs is because of this board, and Phoenix's thread on Helloween's discography.

In my teens and twenties completely ignored them.

For the record, of the two Helloween albums I own, which the Keeper I and II, I prefer II.

manny wrote:

I love this board, but I am convinced I am the least metal board member ever on this site.

The only reason I ever picked any Helloween discs is because of this board, and Phoenix's thread on Helloween's discography.

In my teens and twenties completely ignored them.

For the record, of the two Helloween albums I own, which the Keeper I and II, I prefer II.

but at least you like the Stones

exact33 wrote:

manny wrote:

I love this board, but I am convinced I am the least metal board member ever on this site.

The only reason I ever picked any Helloween discs is because of this board, and Phoenix's thread on Helloween's discography.

In my teens and twenties completely ignored them.

For the record, of the two Helloween albums I own, which the Keeper I and II, I prefer II.

but at least you like the Stones :headbanger:

I wouldn't necessarily say you are the least metal board member here...

Often times I find that my age betrays me and I do not always muster the confidence to start threads or contribute with my thoughts and opinions as much as I would like for fear of starting an argument with others or saying unfounded things.

Despite having been into metal for the last decade, starting around the late 90s, there is still a lot that I need to catch up to. The experiences and knowledge of those who were there in the 1980s is unmatched by someone like me who has really just discovered this through reading about and listening to those music from that decade. The 80s continues to be the greatest decade of heavy metal, despite the advent of the internet and the multitude of bands, styles and sub-genres that came with it, it is still the originators, the classic pioneers of the heavy metal movement that capture most attention, certainly my attention.

However, you can only really know so much about it without having lived during that decade. My excitement is still new, but for most here it is yesterday's news. I find that sometimes sitting in silence and reading these threads is provides a very good guide to learning more about older bands.

SpectreFate wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Fair enough. My apologies.

For the record, I wasn't trying to nitpick. And I surely didn't do it to everything you posted. You just have strong opinions and every time I saw you backtrack or admit that you hadn't listened to a band in a long time after giving a very strong opinion on said band, it just didn't make sense to me.

But it's all good. Again, my apologies. Not trying to pick fights. This is a great forum and a great group of people.

Except Spectrefate and S.D.

You're bi-polar.

...and I agree, I'm an ass.

I'm not bi-polar! Haha.

I like 'em both.

Eyesore wrote:

corplhicks wrote:

Jesus Christ, brother, it's because I like to. I don't claim to have more knowledge than anyone else here. I've come here to learn more about the music I love; that's what got me into Scott's site. I'm also younger than you. I came onto the scene much later than you did, so I'll admit I probably don't know as much, but why should that matter? Also, no one is backing you up on these claims you're making about me. I've found a unique group of friendly people that respect my opinion and may disagree with me in a controlled and non-condescending tone. I'm not finding that in you, as you've been nitpicking virtually every post I've made since I joined without even welcoming me to the boards.

I have no metal community to speak of where I come from, most of my friends really don't dig rock and metal like I do, and it's the one thing that kept me alive in my teens and has been my highest source of inspiration in this life I love. So, please, either let's be friends, or just leave me alone; either way I want to enjoy being a part of this community without being criticized for posting my opinion.

Fair enough. My apologies.

For the record, I wasn't trying to nitpick. And I surely didn't do it to everything you posted. You just have strong opinions and every time I saw you backtrack or admit that you hadn't listened to a band in a long time after giving a very strong opinion on said band, it just didn't make sense to me.

But it's all good. Again, my apologies. Not trying to pick fights. This is a great forum and a great group of people.

Except Spectrefate and S.D.

Thank you so much, eyesore, it means a lot to me. I'll try my best to have a better backstory before going into my opinions to help. Glad we could work this out, brother .

manny wrote:

I love this board, but I am convinced I am the least metal board member ever on this site.

Is that a challenge!

Eyesore wrote:

SpectreFate wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Fair enough. My apologies.

For the record, I wasn't trying to nitpick. And I surely didn't do it to everything you posted. You just have strong opinions and every time I saw you backtrack or admit that you hadn't listened to a band in a long time after giving a very strong opinion on said band, it just didn't make sense to me.

But it's all good. Again, my apologies. Not trying to pick fights. This is a great forum and a great group of people.

Except Spectrefate and S.D.

You're bi-polar.

...and I agree, I'm an ass.

I'm not bi-polar! Haha.

Apparently, spectrefate's device autocorrected sexual to polar. Go figure.

Alex Dee Rokket wrote:

A quick note - I have heard Kiske being compared to Tate on several occasions. The first time I heard about this was from a music magazine, about a decade ago, where they had like a flash back to classic albums and Keepers Pt 1 along side Mindcrime were featured and the reviewer compared Kiske to a German-sounding Tate. Up until that point I had never thought of that comparison and I still don't get it. Kiske imo has quite a unique voice - I don't know how to correctly identify it, but there is a certain yelp in his voice (albeit not annoying) that mixed with his German accent creates a melodic and enjoyable tone.

If you hear Kiske's voice on more recent recordings he did with Edguy and Unisonic you'll see how his voice has improved / matured. Still sounds very good but I dare say more melodic. I think this is why I ended up liking Pink Bubbles, it is quirky and that image fits well with Kiske's strange melodic sounding voice.

I totally agree. He has a unique voice that still sounds as good as it did 30 years ago. I love the stuff he's done with Avantasia. Sure I like most of the vocalists who have worked with Tobias Sammet, but I think he is the best vocalist in terms of ability out of those who have participated in the project.

snooloui wrote:

Alex Dee Rokket wrote:

A quick note - I have heard Kiske being compared to Tate on several occasions. The first time I heard about this was from a music magazine, about a decade ago, where they had like a flash back to classic albums and Keepers Pt 1 along side Mindcrime were featured and the reviewer compared Kiske to a German-sounding Tate. Up until that point I had never thought of that comparison and I still don't get it. Kiske imo has quite a unique voice - I don't know how to correctly identify it, but there is a certain yelp in his voice (albeit not annoying) that mixed with his German accent creates a melodic and enjoyable tone.

If you hear Kiske's voice on more recent recordings he did with Edguy and Unisonic you'll see how his voice has improved / matured. Still sounds very good but I dare say more melodic. I think this is why I ended up liking Pink Bubbles, it is quirky and that image fits well with Kiske's strange melodic sounding voice.

I totally agree. He has a unique voice that still sounds as good as it did 30 years ago. I love the stuff he's done with Avantasia. Sure I like most of the vocalists who have worked with Tobias Sammet, but I think he is the best vocalist in terms of ability out of those who have participated in the project.

ill second that. I think Kiske sounds just as good as he did back on Keepers. I like his style a lot.

exact33 wrote:

snooloui wrote:

Alex Dee Rokket wrote:

A quick note - I have heard Kiske being compared to Tate on several occasions. The first time I heard about this was from a music magazine, about a decade ago, where they had like a flash back to classic albums and Keepers Pt 1 along side Mindcrime were featured and the reviewer compared Kiske to a German-sounding Tate. Up until that point I had never thought of that comparison and I still don't get it. Kiske imo has quite a unique voice - I don't know how to correctly identify it, but there is a certain yelp in his voice (albeit not annoying) that mixed with his German accent creates a melodic and enjoyable tone.

If you hear Kiske's voice on more recent recordings he did with Edguy and Unisonic you'll see how his voice has improved / matured. Still sounds very good but I dare say more melodic. I think this is why I ended up liking Pink Bubbles, it is quirky and that image fits well with Kiske's strange melodic sounding voice.

I totally agree. He has a unique voice that still sounds as good as it did 30 years ago. I love the stuff he's done with Avantasia. Sure I like most of the vocalists who have worked with Tobias Sammet, but I think he is the best vocalist in terms of ability out of those who have participated in the project.

ill second that. I think Kiske sounds just as good as he did back on Keepers. I like his style a lot.

No way! Kiske sounds in fine form to be sure, but Rob Rock has a far superior voice IMHO.

Not sure where the Rob Rock comparison came from. Rob Rock is awesome for sure but not sure how it fits with the discussion about Kiske - they are very different sounding singers.

Do you mean the best singer out there? Not sure that either Rob Rock or Kiske would take that spot though both for me at least would be high enough on that list of some of the best singers.

Kiske has never sounded like Tate to my ears. His voice has definitely changed a bit over the years, but he still sounds fantastic.

Alex Dee Rokket wrote:

Not sure where the Rob Rock comparison came from. Rob Rock is awesome for sure but not sure how it fits with the discussion about Kiske - they are very different sounding singers.

Do you mean the best singer out there? Not sure that either Rob Rock or Kiske would take that spot though both for me at least would be high enough on that list of some of the best singers.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. In reference to the Avantasia project, I think Kiske sounded great but Rob Rock sounded better.

I think that Kiske's vox make both of the Keeper albums. Listen to High Live with Deris singing the those tracks and they just don't work for me. Something sounds a little... off.