King's X vs. Alice in Chains

Dogman - Listened again, I like the "singy" parts/chorus, but the choppy verses kind drag on for me still

Pray - Nice, I liked this one (what kind of bass was he playing? holy cow I've never seen a bass with that many strings

Over My Head - Its ok, some nice screamy touches, but nothing that really jumps out at me, kinda boring

Summerland - I like it. Doug's singing is good stuff on this one.

Black The Sky - Don't like this one. It drags on to much and choppyness of the intro sounds to much like Dogman to me. Maybe its because I listened to them back to back? I dunno, but I can't make it all the way through. lol

Pillow - I'm not a fan of hearing the clangy bass (it was one of my beefs with Galactic Cowboys too). But I do like this song for the most part...especially the gang vocals.....or what sounds like gang vocals/harmonizing. (I like this one the best of this bunch)

The World Around Me - I'm starting to think all their songs sound the same or at least a lot of them have that same choppy riff in them.

Alone - meh


I guess my assessment stands that I still prefer AiC.

"bias" is not the right word. This board exhibits a disproportionate interest in Christian rock/metal here when compared to the rest of the rock/metal scene.

Temple of Blood wrote:

"bias" is not the right word. This board exhibits a disproportionate interest in Christian rock/metal here when compared to the rest of the rock/metal scene.

I can see that...it was started by members of a Christian Metal board, to it was bound to happen.

Either way, I still say 70 people across 2 forums is no way to gague anything. Also, general public opnion would swing in the direction of the band who was actually heard of and known versus one that's by all accounts pretty obscure.

Rex, it's a long scale Hamer 12 string. I've got a short scale Hamer 8 & a 12. Monty from GC used Hamers early on but switched to Zon later on. I haven't seen Dug pull out a 12 in a long time, they ain't the easyest beast to tame!!!

Since when does liking both Christian and non-Christian bands invalidate someone's opinion on a poll? If I liked only secular bands would my vote count for more than if I only liked Christian bands? Just a thought, not trying to start an argument.

Since when did anyone say that it did?

stormspell wrote:

I would have voted "NEITHER" if it was a valid option...

Now THAT should have won this poll easily!

Temple of Blood wrote:

The results show that this board isn't a good sample of the metal community at large when I post it on another board and get very different results.

to date:
HOM board: Kings X wins by 33%
BW board: AiC wins by 55%

That's a sizable difference, albeit one with a low sample size.

what is the age demographic of that other board ?

Temple of Blood wrote:

"bias" is not the right word. This board exhibits a disproportionate interest in Christian rock/metal here when compared to the rest of the rock/metal scene.

okay... main section of this board "Heart of Metal"

I went back three whole pages....90 seperate topics, not including sticky's on top.

a total of three topics were about Christian bands, roughly 3%

I observe an interest here in Christian Metal but nothing disproportionate.

Go to those other boards in the rest of the rock/metal scene and I am sure you'll dig up lots of other genre's with more than 3% and you could still apply your general concensus.

IMHO King's X shouldn't of ever been labeled a Christian band.

James B. wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

"bias" is not the right word. This board exhibits a disproportionate interest in Christian rock/metal here when compared to the rest of the rock/metal scene.

okay... main section of this board "Heart of Metal"

I went back three whole pages....90 seperate topics, not including sticky's on top.

a total of three topics were about Christian bands, roughly 3%

I observe an interest here in Christian Metal but nothing disproportionate.

Go to those other boards in the rest of the rock/metal scene and I am sure you'll dig up lots of other genre's with more than 3% and you could still apply your general concensus.

IMHO King's X shouldn't of ever been labeled a Christian band.

AWESOME post!!!!!!!

KX never claimed to be a christian band in any interview I ever read, they didn't play the christian festivals, they didn't tour with christian bands. Yes, they did get together while attending a christian college but that's as far as it went I think. I guess they got put in that category because of lyrical themes but a case could be made to classify half the power metal scene as christian if that were the case.

King's X got lumped in with the Christian scene by the media and fans...same as Galactic Cowboys...not by anything they said or did. U2 even used to get called a Christian Band...

Their lyrics at times seemed to suggest Christian beliefs ... also naming one album "Faith Hope Love" after a famous section of the Bible.

James B. wrote:

a total of three topics were about Christian bands, roughly 3%

I observe an interest here in Christian Metal but nothing disproportionate.

That's 3 more topics than any other metal board I post at (besides the CMR).

Temple of Blood wrote:

James B. wrote:

a total of three topics were about Christian bands, roughly 3%

I observe an interest here in Christian Metal but nothing disproportionate.

That's 3 more topics than any other metal board I post at (besides the CMR).

fair enough...This board has more topics regarding Hirax than most other boards too.

Wouldn't say it is disproportionate in regards to either Hirax or Christian bands

For anyone that does not "get" King's X, that is ok. I do not "get" Alice in Chains, so it is a nice balance.

James B. wrote:

fair enough...This board has more topics regarding Hirax than most other boards too.

Wouldn't say it is disproportionate in regards to either Hirax or Christian bands

That's exactly what disproportionate means though. Doesn't accurately represent the whole.

Temple of Blood wrote:

Their lyrics at times seemed to suggest Christian beliefs ... also naming one album "Faith Hope Love" after a famous section of the Bible.

Their lyrics contained Christian undertones early on, but it did not represent the focus or purpose of the band on any level. It was their producer at the time who named their album FHL, I believe...not anyone in the band.

In my experience, Christian's who are music fans like to find/look for justification to enjoy something. King's X, U2, The Call, The Alarm, Extreme, Collective Soul, Galactic Cowboys, Creed...knowing someone in the band claims to be a Christian or finding ways to interpret lyrics to find Christian themes is/was all many people needed to be able to attach the tag "christian" to it...

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

In my experience, Christian's who are music fans like to find/look for justification to enjoy something. King's X, U2, The Call, The Alarm, Extreme, Collective Soul, Galactic Cowboys, Creed...knowing someone in the band claims to be a Christian or finding ways to interpret lyrics to find Christian themes is/was all many people needed to be able to attach the tag "christian" to it...

There's definitely some truth to that.

Temple of Blood wrote:

James B. wrote:

fair enough...This board has more topics regarding Hirax than most other boards too.

Wouldn't say it is disproportionate in regards to either Hirax or Christian bands

That's exactly what disproportionate means though. Doesn't accurately represent the whole.

You changed the context of your original post on page one and the one above. You said this board was "disporportionate" to others cause it was catered more towards the Chrisitian metal genre'. 3% is hardly that, even compared to 0%.

I totally agree with Shawn on this point, that Christians who are music fans will search for any justification to like a band without feeling guilty. I speak from experience as someone who did this exact thing in my younger days before I realized I didn't have to explain myself to anyone about what was OK to listen to without sentencing myself to hell.

KING'S X

they were doing what they were doing before the later landslide of similar acts......

MTV pulled the plog on Summerland in their daily vote comp back in the day... not because Kings X didn't get the votes (they did) but because the MTV producer wanted the other act to win..... true story....

I heard that back in 1990 when I visited Doug for three days.... too bad.....

mr.electric39 wrote:

KING'S X

they were doing what they were doing before the later landslide of similar acts......

MTV pulled the plog on Summerland in their daily vote comp back in the day... not because Kings X didn't get the votes (they did) but because the MTV producer wanted the other act to win..... true story....

I heard that back in 1990 when I visited Doug for three days.... too bad.....

Ty told me that the only reason "Over My Head" was in the Dial MTV daily countdown was because people at the label were calling in a lot and getting it in there. They were on MTV/Dial MTV every day and were selling zero records..."Over My Head" was not a hit at all.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

mr.electric39 wrote:

KING'S X

they were doing what they were doing before the later landslide of similar acts......

MTV pulled the plog on Summerland in their daily vote comp back in the day... not because Kings X didn't get the votes (they did) but because the MTV producer wanted the other act to win..... true story....

I heard that back in 1990 when I visited Doug for three days.... too bad.....

Ty told me that the only reason "Over My Head" was in the Dial MTV daily countdown was because people at the label were calling in a lot and getting it in there. They were on MTV/Dial MTV every day and were selling zero records..."Over My Head" was not a hit at all.

I wasn't aware of that regarding Over My Head..... From what Doug had indicated was that Summerland was gaining some traction..... oh well.... all water under the bridge now, huh? ......

I really enjoy AiC's music, especially their newest album. I think all their music is brilliant and should have NEVER been lumped into the grunge category. Jerry Cantrell is one hell of a guitarist and should get more credit. That being said....

I LOVE King's X. They are #2 in my top ten. I own all their albums as well as all the side project albums. Their music is great! Hope to see them live one of these days!

I like both bands, but KX takes the cake.