THE SELL OUT THREAD!

Dinky Do Number of posts : 4830 Age : 43

Well this seems to come up everywhere i go. Bands that "Sell Out". What makes a band sell out, is it because of commercial success? A change in style? I think of bands that sell out as bands that change to become more popluar or change to become more modern meaning changing to play what is popular at the time.

Name some bands that you think sold out at one point in there career, or a band that sold out but seemed to go back.

Road Warrior Number of posts : 17069 Age : 48

Obviously Metallica.

Ate his vegetables Number of posts : 4958 Age : 33

Def Leppard, Queen...

Metal is in my blood Number of posts : 2682 Age : 37

The Bangles

Road Warrior Number of posts : 17069 Age : 48

rattpoison wrote:: The Bangles

Why? How did they change?

Master Sailboat Number of posts : 9301 Age : 45

Anthrax, when they chose to dump Bush & hop on the "reunion" tour money train.

Twisted Sister for making a hokey christmas record, because it's a sure fire way to make an easy buck.

Manowar, for not playing metal anymore after years of claiming to be more metal than everyone else.

Ozzy for letting his wife sell him off to the highest bidder.

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Metal is in my blood Number of posts : 2682 Age : 37

troublezone wrote:

rattpoison wrote:: The Bangles

Why? How did they change?

That first record and EP was great 60's psychedelic pop punk garage rock n' roll .....but then after that the sniffed success and in came the outside writers, polish, synths and general dumbing down of the whole uniqueness of the band. They kinda got an MTV makeover.

The record i'm talking about that started the rot is 86's Different Light.

Dinky Do Number of posts : 4830 Age : 43

Theres a few bands that come to mind that have seemed to play what style seems to be in.

Machine Head - These guys changed there sound it seemed every cd. Awesome band i must say.

REO Speedwagon - Went from a hard rock band to chick rock.

Metal is my Life Number of posts : 28436 Age : 38

mc666 wrote:: Ozzy for letting his wife sell him off to the highest bidder.

Metal is in my blood Number of posts : 2793 Age : 65

It seemed like everybody added keyboards in the 80's, and then made a grunge flavored record in the 90's. But it is a business, so I can't blame them.
I do have a theory though, but I can't prove it. I think that many bands are more willing to stay with their traditional or individual approach these days, just because most styles of music have shown staying power over the years. I think bands have more confidence in their loyal fans and are less willing to risk their fan base in search of new trendy fans than they used to be. That's just a gut feeling, I may be wrong. Is "back-to-basics" just another trend, or is it an anti-trend?

Dinky Do Number of posts : 4830 Age : 43

SAHB Healer wrote:: It seemed like everybody added keyboards in the 80's, and then made a grunge flavored record in the 90's. But it is a business, so I can't blame them.
I do have a theory though, but I can't prove it. I think that many bands are more willing to stay with their traditional or individual approach these days, just because most styles of music have shown staying power over the years. I think bands have more confidence in their loyal fans and are less willing to risk their fan base in search of new trendy fans than they used to be. That's just a gut feeling, I may be wrong. Is "back-to-basics" just another trend, or is it an anti-trend?

i was in a band for a long time and when you play music you play music that you love to play. I never once thought man lets just make music to get rich. Its all about the music and expressing what you think through the guitar and your instruments. At least thats the way i look at it.

My band played metal and funny thing is I loved to play other types of style like smooth jazz and acoustic stuff with classical pieces. My friends used to say what are you doing and what is that you're playing? I told them there is other types of music i like other then metal and i really couldnt express a different side of me in metal. I have a lot of songs recorded of my classical jazz type playing.

Subject: Re: THE SELL OUT THREAD! Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:37 am

Megadeth

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Most bands that people say have sold out never did any such thing. You want true sell outs?

Then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Duyx-2Gjqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkE1ZmvjP_E

A few years later:

That's selling out. Their debut was awesome.

Dinky Do Number of posts : 4830 Age : 43

i agree there debut was awesome. They did continue to put out some pretty hard stuff but never released them as singles.

Metal is in my blood Number of posts : 2522 Age : 55

TNT sold out (or tried to sell out) with a few horrible albums in the 90`s.
Came back with a bang (My Religion), but they seems to have lost track again now Sad

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MetalRob331 wrote:: i agree there debut was awesome. They did continue to put out some pretty hard stuff but never released them as singles.

Only the follow-up album, which had the mega-hit "Fly" on it. After that nearly everything was acoustic pop shite.

The thing about "selling out" is that most people never acknowledge the simple human neccessity to change. All these people whining about Metallica selling out are not the same person they were in the 80s, so why demand the guys in Metallica (or any other band) to always stay the same? People change, and when the person in question is an artist their art is going to reflect that.

How many of us grew up listening to thrash and brutal death metal, but now--pushing 40 or beyond--listen to mellow stuff like Sarah McLachlan or Lisa Gerrard? It's human nature. There are some hold-outs, of course, and those people tend to be bitter a-holes.

But a band like Sugar Ray--a band that was heavy, punky, and just really damn good--who does a 180º spin into an acoustic pop band after they got a hit song in that style is a clear-cut, no-doubt-about-it sell out.

Metallica is not. Megadeth is not. Anthrax is not. And so on...

Metal master Number of posts : 665 Age : 52

7 Seconds. They put out a couple of U2ish sounding albums in the late 80's that were a far cry from the oldschool hardcore I knew them for. Thank God they've regained their form.

Master Of The Crotch Grab Number of posts : 6841 Age : 50

Celtic Frost

Metal master Number of posts : 665 Age : 52

Eyesore wrote:: How many of us grew up listening to thrash and brutal death metal, but now--pushing 40 or beyond--listen to mellow stuff like Sarah McLachlan or Lisa Gerrard? It's human nature. There are some hold-outs, of course, and those people tend to be bitter a-holes.

I'm one of those bitter a-holes so I'll just refrain from commenting.

Master Of The Crotch Grab Number of posts : 6841 Age : 50

7thSecond wrote:

Eyesore wrote:: How many of us grew up listening to thrash and brutal death metal, but now--pushing 40 or beyond--listen to mellow stuff like Sarah McLachlan or Lisa Gerrard? It's human nature. There are some hold-outs, of course, and those people tend to be bitter a-holes.

I'm one of those bitter a-holes so I'll just refrain from commenting.

I dont consider myself a bitter sfincter, I just dont think age dictates not listening to certain types of music anymore. Ill listen to metal til I die.

Master Of The Crotch Grab Number of posts : 6841 Age : 50

Id also say Fastway with On Target, but I dont really count it as the bands decision because enigma told them if they didnt glam it up the album wouldnt be released.

Master Sailboat Number of posts : 9301 Age : 45

i still contend that Anthrax did indeed sell out. they forced out their singer, with whom they put out four solid yet hardly commercially successful albums to hop on the reunion tour bandwagon with the former singer. a singer who they had a shaky relationship with at best. "for the fans" my ass. it was a cash grab. the nostalgia ticket is a guaranteed money maker. if no one else in the world shares that opinion, that changes nothing for me.

if not liking Sugar Ray & Sarah McLachlan makes me a bitter a-hole, i'm ok with that. seems like a fair trade off.

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Master Of The Crotch Grab Number of posts : 6841 Age : 50

mc666 wrote:: i still contend that Anthrax did indeed sell out. they forced out their singer, with whom they put out four solid yet hardly commercially successful albums to hop on the reunion tour bandwagon with the former singer. a singer who they had a shaky relationship with at best. "for the fans" my ass. it was a cash grab. the nostalgia ticket is a guaranteed money maker. if no one else in the world shares that opinion, that changes nothing for me.

if not liking Sugar Ray & Sarah McLachlan makes me a bitter a-hole, i'm ok with that. seems like a fair trade off.

I agree with MC here, on both fronts Laughing

. But, the Belladonna reunion was an obvious cash grab, it couldnt of been more obvious, hell the whole thing was a retro type Among The Living tour.

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The Belladonna thing was a cash thing. Big deal. For the first time since '92, Anthrax fans got something decent for their money. Those Bush albums are very poor and I for one am glad he is gone.

Master Of The Crotch Grab Number of posts : 6841 Age : 50

spectrefate wrote:: The Belladonna thing was a cash thing. Big deal. For the first time since '92, Anthrax fans got something decent for their money. Those Bush albums are very poor and I for one am glad he is gone.

Im not saying I thought it was a BAD idea, I dont much care for the Bush albums either, just that it was an obivous cash grab. Idve preferred to have seen a new album come out of it though.

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