R.I.P. Eric Wagner (Trouble/The Skull)

Troublezone wrote:

Lari wrote:

You get it very mild. Like a common cold.

You are spreading misinformation! Paul Stanley said he had flu symptoms and he had “very rough days”.

It was never “very mild, like a common cold”.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/kisss-paul-stanley-on-his-covid-19-battle-some-really-rough-days-behind/


Keep in mind that Paul was fully vaccinated.

And lucky he is that he was. Sounds like the delta variant. I am glad you are so worried about covid. Now make sure to let others know they need to be safe and to take best care possible. Vaccination is mankind's best weapon against it.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html

600k+ American deaths so far. Nearly 4,5m worldwide. Any deaths beyond this point are unnecessary. Including Eric Wagner's.

Lari wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

One of the directors of the CDC admitted that the vaccine doesn’t work. Sadly, most people don’t seek this info and continue to believe Fauci and the lying MSM lapdogs.

Please don't take your facts from Youtubers. They are not medical experts. They live off of views. I watched a few minutes of that and did I see Joe Rogan in there? Would you ask (eg.) Mick Jagger which surgery to take for your spinal injury? No, because celebrities are not reliable sources of medical information. 

Understand this person makes money off your views. Please talk to your doctor instead.

See that is the problem with you. You are a “brand name” guy. You are condescending and arrogant. What the fuck do you think ratings are on television? It’s no different! They also want “views”.

You can’t handle seeing the director of the CDC say the vaccine is not working? That is the main reason I showed this video. It is evidence straight from the “experts” mouth. Haven’t you been saying trust the experts?? There you go! She said it.

Trust doctors and experts…

You just dismissed the expert.

Lari wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Lari wrote:

You get it very mild. Like a common cold.

You are spreading misinformation! Paul Stanley said he had flu symptoms and he had “very rough days”.

It was never “very mild, like a common cold”.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/kisss-paul-stanley-on-his-covid-19-battle-some-really-rough-days-behind/


Keep in mind that Paul was fully vaccinated.

And lucky he is that he was. Sounds like the delta variant. I am glad you are so worried about covid. Now make sure to let others know they need to be safe and to take best care possible. Vaccination is mankind's best weapon against it.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html

600k+ American deaths so far. Nearly 4,5m worldwide. Any deaths beyond this point are unnecessary. Including Eric Wagner's.

“Sounds like the delta variant”? That’s how you operate? Nice proof!

Anyone that has paid attention knows that most deaths accounted for are credited to covid whether that was the cause of death or not. For example, if a person that had the covid virus died in a car accident, they will mark that as a covid death. The numbers are deceiving. But you are not a critical thinker. You believe anything that a globalist agency tells you. What do you know about these experts? You don’t know Jack shit. Or the bribes involved. Do you believe malpractice exists?

The fact that Paul Stanley is saying anything at all is most likely due to the fact that he was vaccinated. His age alone would be a death sentence if not for that. Depending on which vaccine you have depends on how severe you'll be if you catch the virus. Age and health will also be a factor obviously.

For the love of God, everyone do some research and use critical thinking. Do not blindly follow people that call themselves experts. Even in the world of medicine, there have always been good and bad doctors. Do you just settle on a bad doctor? No!

Listen to what both sides have to say and do not let buzzwords and name calling affect your judgement. The left will automatically dismiss anyone that doesn’t fall in line as a conspiracy theorist. That is a deliberate and convenient way to sway people that don’t do research. Take note how the left and the Biden administration said anyone that dared blame China for the virus is racist or a conspiracist. But then they admitted that it was very likely created in a Chinese lab. Nobody with brains believes it came from a wet market. Those people have been eating that stuff for hundreds of years.

Use common sense. Don’t fall for fear mongering.

All this covid talk has taken the attention away from other killers like smoking, obesity and unhealthy lifestyles. Do you think those things ceased to exist because the news has us worrying about covid. Look at the big picture and cover all the bases.

Wrecked Neck wrote:

The fact that Paul Stanley is saying anything at all is most likely due to the fact that he was vaccinated. His age alone would be a death sentence if not for that. Depending on which vaccine you have depends on how severe you'll be if you catch the virus. Age and health will also be a factor obviously.

Lari is telling people that you will feel nothing more than a common cold. Not true! Paul said it was rough.

Troublezone wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Of coarse I don’t want it!

What are you suggesting? Do you think a vaccine will protect or save me?

Is that a serious question? What the hell do you think it does, if not help protect you? Are you like my friend that says over 200,000 people have died from the vaccine? That it's filled with some sort of tracking shit? Changes your DNA so you don't qualify as a human anymore?

Bah whatever, I'm not going to argue in this thread. I lost my head. Gonna go listen to some Blackfinger or The Skull and relax.

Yeah it was a serious question. Vaccine soapbox guy Paul Stanley just got it after full vaccination. Every time I look at Blabbermouth, another vaccinated musician got it… it doesn’t protect shit! Maybe it diminishes the symptoms, but people are still getting sick with or without the vaccine.

It protects you from dying! It's an emergency vaccine that will most likely be improved on over time until they can get this shit under control for good. Read this just now on one of those medical site...

"Infected people who don't have any symptoms can still pass polio on to others. There have been rare cases where polio has been caused by being vaccinated with a live version of the polio virus."

No vaccine is perfect, even polio. There hasn't been a polio case in this country for a long time, but it's still out there. Things take time to work, and this vaccine seems to be working for now. I find it funny how you seem stuck on what the ingredients are, bet you don't think twice when it comes to shit your doctor gives you. Some well known "proven" drugs kill people all the time. Hell there are more chemicals in a McDonald's hamburger than what's in this vaccine probably. Just walking outside breathing the polluted air can make people sick.

And really I don't care if you get the shit or not. I on my made a comment here because it was your snarky reply from page two....

"Don’t smoke cigarettes people. Don’t have underlying health conditions either"

That was a response that was just as "arrogant" or more so than anything lari said.

Troublezone wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

The fact that Paul Stanley is saying anything at all is most likely due to the fact that he was vaccinated. His age alone would be a death sentence if not for that. Depending on which vaccine you have depends on how severe you'll be if you catch the virus. Age and health will also be a factor obviously.

Lari is telling people that you will feel nothing more than a common cold. Not true! Paul said it was rough.

That vaccine alone can be rough. I was sick for two days after my second shot. Felt like I had a shortened and faster version of covid all over again. My point is, Paul Stanley would be dead if not for getting the vaccine. Not everyone is going to feel the same thing, like I've said, it's different for everyone. I personally know of two people that had it, both would be classified as,a higher risk than me, and both barely got sick and were back to normal in less than a week. I've also heard horror stories of young twenty somethings die that were perfectly healthy. Not stories from the news, but stories from grief groups I attend, personal real stories from real people.

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

The fact that Paul Stanley is saying anything at all is most likely due to the fact that he was vaccinated. His age alone would be a death sentence if not for that. Depending on which vaccine you have depends on how severe you'll be if you catch the virus. Age and health will also be a factor obviously.

Lari is telling people that you will feel nothing more than a common cold. Not true! Paul said it was rough.

That vaccine alone can be rough. I was sick for two days after my second shot. Felt like I had a shortened and faster version of covid all over again. My point is, Paul Stanley would be dead if not for getting the vaccine. Not everyone is going to feel the same thing, like I've said, it's different for everyone. I personally know of two people that had it, both would be classified as,a higher risk than me, and both barely got sick and were back to normal in less than a week. I've also heard horror stories of young twenty somethings die that were perfectly healthy. Not stories from the news, but stories from grief groups I attend, personal real stories from real people.

He still told people it’s like the common cold. Correct him.

Not. Everyone. Is. The. Same.

I’m heading to work now. Most likely will not reply anymore.

Nice chat.

I'm heading to Flotsam and Jetsam, sucks to be you lol

You bastard! I gotta make some money so my taxes can be mishandled by Newsome.

* texting at a red light.

Any thoughts? Flotsam appears to be partially anti-vaxxers.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/flotsam-and-jetsams-concert-in-san-francisco-canceled-over-bandmembers-unvaccinated-status/

Okay I’m done. I arrived.

Wrecked Neck wrote:

I find it funny how you seem stuck on what the ingredients are, bet you don't think twice when it comes to shit your doctor gives you

Wrong! I read the ingredients and decide whether I can take it (side effects). I have refused medication in the past.

At least those had the ingredients available to read! I don’t have that luxury with your covid vaccine.

You lost the bet… good thing you didn’t actually bet anything!

Please take the vaccine. Do it for others… but if you don’t, we hope you die!  

- The Left

Troublezone wrote:

Any thoughts? Flotsam appears to be partially anti-vaxxers.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/flotsam-and-jetsams-concert-in-san-francisco-canceled-over-bandmembers-unvaccinated-status/

Didn't say one word about them being antivaxers. My thoughts on it are this... They put on one hell of a show, and I'm very deaf, going to be very sore, and I'm very tired. 51 and I rocked harder than anyone there. Of course I'll probably feel it twice as much too cause I'm too old for this shit lol

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Any thoughts? Flotsam appears to be partially anti-vaxxers.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/flotsam-and-jetsams-concert-in-san-francisco-canceled-over-bandmembers-unvaccinated-status/

Didn't say one word about them being antivaxers. My thoughts on it are this... They put on one hell of a show, and I'm very deaf, going to be very sore, and I'm very tired. 51 and I rocked harder than anyone there. Of course I'll probably feel it twice as much too cause I'm too old for this shit lol

I don’t know if any of them are anti-vaxxers, I just said it “appears” (as in maybe) because of the status of some of them. Trust me, I’m not the one that cares. You know that!

But remember, Eric AK wrote the song “EMTEK”.  

I’m also a huge Flotsam fan (I’ve stated that countless times). They are one of my top two metal bands! I’m glad you enjoyed the show.

Also, 51 ain’t that old in my book!

Metal keeps us young at heart.

51 is old, you're just saying it because you aren't far behind me lol But yeah, they were great as usual. Played couple from Doomsday, couple from No Place for Disgrace, one from When the Storm Comes, few from the new album, one from Chaos, maybe two can't remember, and a few more from older albums. I wish they would have played The Cold. We saw them in support of that album, and they didn't even play it then. I love that song, and it was also my wife's favorite metal song. I'm not as sore as I thought I would be, but my neck has definitely felt better.

Wrecked Neck wrote:

51 is old, you're just saying it because you aren't far behind me lol But yeah, they were great as usual. Played couple from Doomsday, couple from No Place for Disgrace, one from When the Storm Comes, few from the new album, one from Chaos, maybe two can't remember, and a few more from older albums. I wish they would have played The Cold. We saw them in support of that album, and they didn't even play it then. I love that song, and it was also my wife's favorite metal song. I'm not as sore as I thought I would be, but my neck has definitely felt better.

Young at heart! Our Metal icons are older than us so I don’t feel that bad.

I was gonna ask about the set list. Thanks!

I agree about The Cold album. It was great! I think Michael Gilbert doesn’t want to play Mark Simpson’s stuff. Just a guess…

Lari wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Wrecked Neck wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Of coarse I don’t want it!

What are you suggesting? Do you think a vaccine will protect or save me?

Is that a serious question? What the hell do you think it does, if not help protect you? Are you like my friend that says over 200,000 people have died from the vaccine? That it's filled with some sort of tracking shit? Changes your DNA so you don't qualify as a human anymore?

Bah whatever, I'm not going to argue in this thread. I lost my head. Gonna go listen to some Blackfinger or The Skull and relax.

Yeah it was a serious question. Vaccine soapbox guy Paul Stanley just got it after full vaccination. Every time I look at Blabbermouth, another vaccinated musician got it… it doesn’t protect shit! Maybe it diminishes the symptoms, but people are still getting sick with or without the vaccine.

I truly am sorry you have been misinformed so badly. The fully FDA approved Pfizer vaccine is 95% effective against the coronavirus, which means if you get the virus, you won't develop the disease (covid). 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html

Even if you do develop the disease, you won't need hospitalization. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-study-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html

Paul Stanley will be fine. And he said so himself.



You get it very mild. Like a common cold.

Meanwhile hospitals are filled up with unvaccinated covid patients battling for their lives, and wishing they had taken their shot when they had the chance.

https://www.cbs7.com/2021/08/24/grand-majority-covid-patients-area-hospitals-are-unvaccinated-more-patients-than-last-year/

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/unvaccinated-hospitalized-patients-say-they-regret-not-getting-shot-n1273342

I honestly do not know why some people spread misinformation on the net about vaccines. Do they wish for people to die of covid? Is that it? The spread of the disease can be stopped. And it's everybody's choice to get the shot, but lying about plain facts is seriously immoral. Trump took the shot. And urges his supporters to take it. Even he knows where we're at. Who are you helping by dying or letting those close to you die of a preventable disease? I don't understand making politics about health.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/08/rightwing-radio-host-dick-farrel-anti-vaxxer-dies-covid

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/anti-vaxx-police-officer-dies-covid-b1910221.html

Make it stop, and save yourselves. And don't believe in Facebook/fringe theory websites. Ask your doctor if you should take the vaccine. Medical professionals know these things. The best medical scientists on the planet have worked hard on all these different vaccines, and googling does not make you an expert. The sad thing is, antivaxxers aren't just hurting themselves, they keep the germ alive and mutating and help it spread. Like plague rats. A vaccine creates natural immunity. We can kill this shit, and move on. The tools are here.

Just a quick interlude here, but that Paul Stanley tweet was about a rumor that he had a heart attack and had nothing to do with Covid.

You’re right 007. It was about a rumor of a heart attack.

His covid aftermath is unknown.

R.I.P. Eric

Message from Wino (The Obsessed)


I had known Eric Wagner for over 30 years, and although we lived in different cities, we often crossed paths professionally. Trouble was the headlining act at the Loeb Center NY show where The Obsessed showcased for Columbia records, ultimately resulting in a record deal. We did a holiday package with Trouble, Crowbar, and others in the Lunar Womb days, we joined forces in Probot, and most recently, we embarked on a small US tour with his band The Skull. I am saddened greatly by his death.
RIP Eric.
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I would love to leave it with the above statement about a lost friend, but I feel I must address what some have suggested – that the timing of my previous “statement” was insensitive or awkward. Let me make something absolutely clear, I am not indifferent over Eric’s death, and any insinuations otherwise are beyond reproach. This was a unique voice and mind, and his musical influence on myself was profound. I don’t read the small minded comments that jealous haters propagate, we all know when the shit comes down, they will be the first to run. It blows my mind to realize that so many people in a genre I would have previously described as forward thinking and cool, get their feathers all ruffled when ideas come down the pike that are “out of the mainstream” way of thinking. But hey, if we are free at all, then that means we are free to disagree! Have your opinion, and I will have mine. Think for yourself. I am always up for a civilized discourse or healthy debate. My beliefs are rooted in science, much of which is being suppressed and censored before it can reach the people. In the end, I believe love and music will ultimately be the healing elements for us all. Politics is all theatre, its BS, and the current medical politics are designed to subjugate and divide. The power we will have will come from being united for the common cause of truth and freedom.
WINO
8-29-2021 YOTP