Refuse to support and artist/band because for moral reasons?

As a Christian Democrat I love ted's music. I find his comments very entertaining. Maybe thy are made to piss me off, I dunno but I like listening to what he has to say. Quite entertaining.

I am glad most of this thread went away from the Ted debate. Sometimes I can't help myself. But I really think that if most of us were 100% honest, there is music out there that you dig, but won't listen to because it "rubs you wrong". For me - I love punk. I love the sounds of SkrewDriver and other nazi Oi! bands. But I won't ever give them my money or listen to them. And that goes for Lee Greenwood, too. I could not listen to Slayer for a ton of years, because something just felt wrong about it [I have actually started reading their lyrics and hearing all of your opinions and have lightened up on them somewhat]. I dunno. Could be it is ME that is driven by hate, which makes me no better than Ted or Ian Stuart Donaldson or Peter Garrett or Katy Perry.

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I am glad most of this thread went away from the Ted debate.

That reminds me, I'm expecting a Ted Nugent CD in the mail today from Hastings!! (rushes home to check mailbox)

easy and clear for me MANOWAR
never support never buy never visit
only f* dement people can say "we play real meta, we are real metal"
sux my smelly c*suckers ! get the f* out this world of music.
unecesary band and people.

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I don't care about artists' personal lives/beliefs. If I like the music, I listen to it. In a lot of cases, I don't even know the names of the band members. Sometimes particularly stupid or childish lyrics turn me off, but political or moral lyrics on one side of the fence or the other don't bug me, especially if they are somewhat intelligent.

That pretty much sums it up for me too.  I don't really give a rat's ass about a musician's views or lifestyle...it's all about whether I like the music.  Even though I consider myself on the conservative side of libertarian, I can listen to Al Jourgenson's screeds against George Bush and Rage Against The Machine because I like the music.  However I can't listen to The Dixie Chicks; not because of their political views but because I think their music sucks.  Elton John is gay; so what?  I enjoy his music.  Boy George is gay; so what?  Good voice but I think his music sucks.  

It's all about the music for me.

That said, if some band came out with what I thought was a killer album and I found out they enjoyed killing cats? Yeah, I'd bail on them.

ultmetal wrote:

UNCLE SAXON'S KICKASS CDS wrote:

Runicen wrote:

Honestly, the idea of getting pissed at the viewpoint of another is kind of stupid to me..

Just so I have your perspective correct - say you are a Native American, and Uncle Ted comes out and says this about your race, “I take it as a badge of honor that such unclean vermin are upset by me and my positive energy. By all indicators, I don’t think they actually qualify as people.”.  You would just go buy his albums or go to his shows without a second thought?

Way out of context. Ted NEVER said that about Native Americans. C'mon Saxon. You know damn well he was talking directly about the people who own these casinos that cancelled his shows due to pressure from left wing organizations. Ted has always been a stark advocate for Native Americans and their rights. Don't fall for the bullshit. I understand you hate him, but at least don't twist his words around just to make a point.

Well like it or not, they do have a right to cancel the show if they're not comfortable with some of Ted's past comments(mainly his comments about black people and claiming that racism does not exist anymore, yeah right!  )

Also Ted did directly insult a Native American on his Facebook page(he called him a "Sub-Human Mongrel, which sounds pretty racist any way you look at it) after he(the Native American) took issue with Ted's use of the Native American headdress(something which many Native Americans find offensive), so no it isn't "bullshit" at all, "stark advocate"?  Yeah somehow I find that very hard to believe.

Even if the "unclean vermin" comment wasn't directed at Native Americans, that still doesn't change the fact that it was an unbelievably stupid and asinine thing to say, way to further alienate your own audience Ted! 

I don't find his comments entertaining at all, I find them depressing and ignorant, and i'm groaning at how many people on his FB page are falling for his ridiculous nonsense and kissing his ass nonstop all while making racist, sexist and homophobic comments(I reported quite a few comments myself), it's really quite pathetic and sad.

All that said, he's still a good musician, so i'm fine with listening to his music, but i'll never pay to see him in concert or anything like that.

Troublezone wrote:

Everyone knows the low IQ of most people that post on Blabbermouth. Well, from what I've seen over the years, it's no secret that the majority of them are extremely liberal. Everything from throwing Christians to the Lions to anyone that doesn't subscribe to the gay lifestyle is a horrible hate monger. And not only Blabbermouth, but most mainstream news sources and a lot of Hollywood celebrities.

Blabbermouth is full of idiots, though I would hardly say the same thing about most celebrities and news sources.

The only bands I outright refuse to listen to are Neo-Nazi bands, aside from having terrible and incredibly ignorant and offensive lyrics, they're dreadful musicians as well, it just sounds like a bunch of drunken morons broke into a recording studio and just started screaming with no thought to melodies or anything like that.

Stereotyping runs rampant on the internet. All liberals are "libtards", all conservatives are dumbass rednecks, etc. It's frankly insulting to both groups to try and lump every INDIVIDUAL in this country into extreme right and extreme left. I know I get really pissed when people try to pigeonhole me into any group.

Lovecraft wrote:

Stereotyping runs rampant on the internet.  All liberals are "libtards", all conservatives are dumbass rednecks, etc.  It's frankly insulting to both groups to try and lump every INDIVIDUAL in this country into extreme right and extreme left.  I know I get really pissed when people try to pigeonhole me into any group.  

That's very true, i'm not 100% liberal or 100% conservative, there are certain things from both groups I agree with and disagree with.

I'll even admit to agreeing with Ted on a few things, mainly his views on drugs and alcohol,  as i've never taken any drugs and have never been drunk in my entire life and don't ever plan on doing so(my family does not have a good history with alcohol, several of my relatives have died from alcohol abuse) as it does not look like fun to me at all.

Lyrically I don't have too much of a problem with Ted, some of his lyrics make me roll my eyes a bit(I.E. "Kiss My Ass) and a few of his songs have a somewhat creepy subject matter(I.E. "Jailbait) but otherwise that's not much of an issue.

I'm surprised at how a band or artists being "liberal" riles people up so much, I personally find that hilarious.  I largely agree with Eddie Vedder, Bruce Springsteen and Tom Morello's viewpoints, though I personally think Pearl Jam are a highly overrated band find them mediocre at best, I find Rage Against The Machine to be merely OK at best, and I find Springsteen to be hit and miss.

BTW, didn't KISS kick Nugent off their 2000 tour after they got tired of hearing him spout his political beliefs on stage?

Vexer6 wrote:

and a few of his songs have a somewhat creepy subject matter(I.E. "Jailbait) but otherwise that's not much of an issue.

Given his history with Pele Massa, I'd say very, very creepy. Although a grown man and a 17 year old girl isn't illegal in the U.K the whole legal guardian thing is    (see also Steven Tyler)

thejokeriv wrote:

I lean heavily libertarian so I'd be screwed if I only listen to stuff I agree with 100% politically.......

(The differences between the parties are minor anyway.... and mainstream media talking heads are annoying on both sides of the fence)

Spiritually, not into the church burning lyrics... but that's me. Since I 100% believe that free speech (all of it) is necessary, artists can say what they want. If I don't like it, I don't have to listen.... No need for thought and speech police - that leads us down a very, very dark path that I want no part of (yes, both sides do it)

I totally agree on the free speech issue. But just because they have a right to say it, doesn't mean I have to give them my money.

iamrockerfun wrote:

easy and clear for me MANOWAR
never support never buy never visit
only f* dement people can say "we play real meta, we are real metal"
sux my smelly c*suckers ! get the f* out this world of music.
unecesary band and people.

I never paid attention.
I am one of the many that will always know manowar screwed over Mercyful Fate,
and that is enough for me to boycott them even 30 years later.
I hate Fate's satanism, but I hate back stabbers more.

mlotek wrote:

iamrockerfun wrote:

easy and clear for me MANOWAR
never support never buy never visit
only f* dement people can say "we play real meta, we are real metal"
sux my smelly c*suckers ! get the f* out this world of music.
unecesary band and people.

I never paid attention.
I am one of the many that will always know manowar screwed over Mercyful Fate,
and that is enough for me to boycott them even 30 years later.
I hate Fate's satanism, but I hate back stabbers more.

How did Manowar "screw over" Mercyful Fate?

I personally don't have anything against satanic lyrics, Fate's lyrics are too over-the-top for me to really take seriously.

NOW, in this internet age, I learned of how much hate is directed at Nugent, I think I will start buying all the albums again I am missing from his collection.
I always liked his music, NOW I like what he stands for too.

Thank you everybody complaining.
You turned me into a casual fan into becoming a die-hard fan.

I will probably also start buying all the Burzum albums.

Manowar begged M.F. to open on their European tour because they were the hottest band in underground metal, and then manowar reneged on every tour promise.
Stage lights reduced to ONE spotlight, the PA was turned down and made to sound crappy. etc.

M.F. pulled out after 4 shows (I think) because they + their manager were flooded with complaints from their fans of what a crappy show they were getting.

mlotek wrote:

NOW, in this internet age, I learned of how much hate is directed at Nugent, I think I will start buying all the albums again I am missing from his collection.
I always liked his music, NOW I like what he stands for too.

Thank you everybody complaining.
You turned me into a casual fan into becoming a die-hard fan.

I will probably also start buying all the Burzum albums.

It's not hatred for the man himself so much as hatred for all the crazy things he's said over the years(I have similar issues with some of the nonsense Dave Mustaine has spouted, like his comments about immigration and all that ridiculous crap about government conspiracies)

It's unfortunate that Manowar stooped to that level, I hope they've matured since then.

mlotek wrote:

Manowar begged M.F. to open on their European tour because they were the hottest band in underground metal, and then manowar reneged on every tour promise.
Stage lights reduced to ONE spotlight, the PA was turned down and made to sound crappy. etc.

M.F. pulled out after 4 shows (I think) because they + their manager were flooded with complaints from their fans of what a crappy  show they were getting.

Hardly the first band to have that happen to them. Dick move? Yes but I'll bet it backfired on the headliners as people know when that crap goes down.

As for what albums you will now be buying, I don't really care what you spend your money on. The thread is about where you personally draw your line, not trying to influence others.

Have fun with your Ted & Burzum records.

Lovecraft wrote:

Stereotyping runs rampant on the internet.  All liberals are "libtards", all conservatives are dumbass rednecks, etc.  It's frankly insulting to both groups to try and lump every INDIVIDUAL in this country into extreme right and extreme left.  I know I get really pissed when people try to pigeonhole me into any group.  

Both sides are the same turds, only branded differently.

Anyway, refusing to buy or deciding to part with an album because of what someone said that you didn't like sounds like a lot of bullshit to me.

mlotek wrote:

iamrockerfun wrote:

easy and clear for me MANOWAR
never support never buy never visit
only f* dement people can say "we play real meta, we are real metal"
sux my smelly c*suckers ! get the f* out this world of music.
unecesary band and people.

I never paid attention.
I am one of the many that will always know manowar screwed over Mercyful Fate,
and that is enough for me to boycott them even 30 years later.
I hate Fate's satanism, but I hate back stabbers more.

Yeah, please stay rational and don't let your emotions take you away from the facts. I saw that package in Greece, more than 10000 people were there and just for Manowar. Immortal, Sodom and MF where completely irrelevant that day. By the way, although irrelevant, both, MF and Manowar, were laughable that day(MF mostly due to the caricature that has the role of frontman). But each member of MF got paid at least 1000 euro. For a 30-40 minutes show! From Manowar fans! All the rest is for blabbermouth.

Vexer6 wrote:

mlotek wrote:

NOW, in this internet age, I learned of how much hate is directed at Nugent, I think I will start buying all the albums again I am missing from his collection.
I always liked his music, NOW I like what he stands for too.

Thank you everybody complaining.
You turned me into a casual fan into becoming a die-hard fan.

I will probably also start buying all the Burzum albums.

It's not hatred for the man himself so much as hatred for all the crazy things he's said over the years(I have similar issues with some of the nonsense Dave Mustaine has spouted, like his comments about immigration and all that ridiculous crap about government conspiracies)

It's unfortunate that Manowar stooped to that level, I hope they've matured since then.

I have never found any Mustaine comments "nonsense" ever..because I also think outside of the box like him, and I think the 6 o clock news is all determined by the pentagon / controlled media.

kropotkin wrote:

mlotek wrote:

iamrockerfun wrote:

easy and clear for me MANOWAR
never support never buy never visit
only f* dement people can say "we play real meta, we are real metal"
sux my smelly c*suckers ! get the f* out this world of music.
unecesary band and people.

I never paid attention.
I am one of the many that will always know manowar screwed over Mercyful Fate,
and that is enough for me to boycott them even 30 years later.
I hate Fate's satanism, but I hate back stabbers more.

Yeah, please stay rational and don't let your emotions take you away from the facts. I saw that package in Greece, more than 10000 people were there and just for Manowar. Immortal, Sodom and MF where completely irrelevant that day. By the way, although irrelevant,  both, MF and Manowar, were laughable that day(MF mostly due to the caricature that has the role of  frontman). But each member of MF got paid at least 1000 euro. For a 30-40 minutes show! From Manowar fans! All the rest is for blabbermouth.

the tour I speak of, was from 1983 I think

mlotek wrote:

Vexer6 wrote:

mlotek wrote:

NOW, in this internet age, I learned of how much hate is directed at Nugent, I think I will start buying all the albums again I am missing from his collection.
I always liked his music, NOW I like what he stands for too.

Thank you everybody complaining.
You turned me into a casual fan into becoming a die-hard fan.

I will probably also start buying all the Burzum albums.

It's not hatred for the man himself so much as hatred for all the crazy things he's said over the years(I have similar issues with some of the nonsense Dave Mustaine has spouted, like his comments about immigration and all that ridiculous crap about government conspiracies)

It's unfortunate that Manowar stooped to that level, I hope they've matured since then.

I have never found any Mustaine comments "nonsense" ever..because I also think outside of the box like him, and I think the 6 o clock news is all determined by the pentagon / controlled media.

"Pentagon controlled"?   yeah right!

What about Mustaine's nonsensical babbling about the shooting in Aurora being "staged"? Don't tell me you actually believe that? One of the victims called Dave out on his bullshit, he backpedalled REAL fast after that  

Dave may be a great musician, but he's also a complete nutcase.

Vexer6 wrote:

"Pentagon controlled"?    yeah right!  

What about Mustaine's nonsensical babbling about the shooting in Aurora being "staged"?  Don't tell me you actually believe that?  One of the victims called Dave out on his bullshit, he backpedalled REAL fast after that  

Dave may be a great musician, but he's also a complete nutcase.

Just because you follow/believe the mainstream news means nothing to me.
I find it sad that if Mustaine ever backpedaled. He knows better now, but he also has a career to worry about I guess.
Aurora is just like many other tragedies the past few years that are staged / false flags.
Did you ever notice this insanity increasing since 9/11 ?

there are many documentaries posted online that show actors in "tragedies" being in other tragedies elsewhere.

I thought it was crazy at first, until I started watching everything on Youtube and seeing the SAME PEOPLE in different news stories.
It is all actors.

mlotek wrote:

Vexer6 wrote:

"Pentagon controlled"?    yeah right!  

What about Mustaine's nonsensical babbling about the shooting in Aurora being "staged"?  Don't tell me you actually believe that?  One of the victims called Dave out on his bullshit, he backpedalled REAL fast after that  

Dave may be a great musician, but he's also a complete nutcase.

Just because you  follow/believe  the mainstream news means nothing to me.
I find it sad that if Mustaine ever backpedaled. He knows better now, but he also has a career to worry about I guess.
Aurora is just like many other tragedies the past few years that are staged / false flags.
Did you ever notice this insanity increasing since 9/11 ?

there are many documentaries posted online that show actors in "tragedies" being in other tragedies elsewhere.

I thought it was crazy at first, until I started watching everything on Youtube and seeing the SAME PEOPLE in different news stories.
It is all actors.

Wow, you are truly insane.   

Saying that tragedies 9/11 and Aurora were "staged" is just unbelievably despicable and a massive insult to everyone that died in those tragic events.  

Those "documentaries" are nothing but a pack of lies made to capitalize on those foolish to actually believe those crazy conspiracy theories.

Are you one of those wackjobs who believe Sandy Hook was staged as well?

Conspiracy theorists only see what they want to see, they can't handle the truth and stick their fingers in their ears every time someone pokes holes in their outlandish and asinine theories.

There was an episode of Penn and Teller Bullshit that perfectly summed up why those theories were well "bullshit".

Those people are NOT "actors", the only actors are those crazy enough to actually believe this nonsense.