Refuse to support and artist/band because for moral reasons?

Maybe this is not the right room, but I am sick of hearing Uncle Ted spout off his hatred. Personally, I have never supported the guy for any reason - and generally just make fun of him on this forum to get under Ult, Alex, and others' skins. But his ignorance has finally tipped over the edge.

Anyone else refuse to give your money to an artist [not necessarily Ted] simply because of personal standards and/or religious beliefs?

Nah.. I just go by if the music is good or not. A lot of older musicians are getting kind of crazier than usual lately but as long as they put out good music i'll still listen. Dave Mustaine says stupid stuff all the time I still buy his stuff, but his stuff hasn't been that great lately....haha

I own Burzum albums. I mean, if I can reasonably throw ANY kind of support to Varg with his viewpoints (which, arguably are at least less venomous than others who espouse the same views), there ain't much coming out of the states save for that creepy baby rapist from the band whose name is lost to memory because I don't care to remember it that would cause me to not support or stop supporting a musician.

Honestly, the idea of getting pissed at the viewpoint of another is kind of stupid to me. Think what you want, just don't splash any on my pantleg. I have less of a problem with people saying things I don't agree with and much more of a problem with activists who want their views to be made law to force my compliance regardless of how I feel about it. THAT pisses me off righteously, but we're more likely to see that from frickin' Bono than Nugent.

Not really. While guys like Ted Nugent and Gene Simmons can piss me off with their comments, I don't always disagree with them either. They have some right ideas, it's just the way they put them out there. And sometimes they're just dicks.

I don't agree with some of the black metal viewpoints either, but that not the reason I don't support them. The music is unlistenable to me.

I kinda have a burr in my saddle with artists or groups that are outwardly negative towards law enforcement due to my relationship with cops in my life, so that might have some bearing.

Aside from the very outspoken individuals (Nuge, Mustaine, $immons, Rollins, etc.,) I don't know or want to know musicians viewpoints. Takes away from the enjoyment of the music.

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Anyone else refuse to give your money to an artist [not necessarily Ted] simply because of personal standards and/or religious beliefs?

Micheal Sweet..not interested in anything this guy is involved in....he just completely rubs me the wrong way with his comments ....not to mention I hate the way he sings....

David Benson is someone I will no longer support due to the way he hires musicians to play on his albums and then stiffs them what he owes them after the recording is done.  (Victor Griffin, Dan Lively and Russell Lee have STILL not been paid for their studio time on the Evil Killer album). His output is also substandard both musically and in the actual quality of the merchandise...if you ever receive what you order from him, that is.

Runicen wrote:

Honestly, the idea of getting pissed at the viewpoint of another is kind of stupid to me..

Just so I have your perspective correct - say you are a Native American, and Uncle Ted comes out and says this about your race, “I take it as a badge of honor that such unclean vermin are upset by me and my positive energy. By all indicators, I don’t think they actually qualify as people.”. You would just go buy his albums or go to his shows without a second thought?

Most times, things don't bother me that way. Granted no one has ever said anything to offend me personally. A lot of singers and frontmen are often times outspoken and usually don't pay attention to what they say or how its said.

I own albums from Burzum, Graveland, Grand Belial's Key, Satanic Warmaster, Megadeth, etc. But I really don't listen to what's said, its the music that kicks ass.

Same with Ultimatum, Deliverance, and more. I don't agree with what's said, but the music kicks ass!

That never really bothered me. I just basically go by the music.A person's entitled to their viewpoint and if they wanna spout off about,more power to them,whether I agree with them or not.

Maybe we need a section on this board for all the butt-hurt posters.

I believe most (if not all) musicians/entertainers who go out of the way to spout this type of stuff is for mere publicity, more than trying to propagate something. Just my opinion.

publicity is publicity.

UNCLE SAXON'S KICKASS CDS wrote:

Runicen wrote:

Honestly, the idea of getting pissed at the viewpoint of another is kind of stupid to me..

Just so I have your perspective correct - say you are a Native American, and Uncle Ted comes out and says this about your race, “I take it as a badge of honor that such unclean vermin are upset by me and my positive energy. By all indicators, I don’t think they actually qualify as people.”.  You would just go buy his albums or go to his shows without a second thought?

Not if I was a Native American. No.

Thank goodness I'm a white, English-speaking, heterosexual, gainfully-employed, meat-eating, law-abiding, registered-voting, married, father-of-3 white guy. When he starts attacking that demographic, I may re-evaluate my stance.

 

James B. wrote:

I believe most (if not all) musicians/entertainers who go out of the way to spout this type of stuff is for mere publicity, more than trying to propagate something. Just my opinion.

publicity is publicity.

I agree, Ted does this crap because he can't get publicity for his music any longer, so instead he went with schtick to keep his name in the media. It works, he has a target demographic that eats up everything he says and pisses off everyone else and there's nothing like controversy to drive clicks in social media.

UNCLE SAXON'S KICKASS CDS wrote:

Runicen wrote:

Honestly, the idea of getting pissed at the viewpoint of another is kind of stupid to me..

Just so I have your perspective correct - say you are a Native American, and Uncle Ted comes out and says this about your race, “I take it as a badge of honor that such unclean vermin are upset by me and my positive energy. By all indicators, I don’t think they actually qualify as people.”.  You would just go buy his albums or go to his shows without a second thought?

The site w/ that story is a satire site...it's not real.

newslo.com

UNCLE SAXON'S KICKASS CDS wrote:

Runicen wrote:

Honestly, the idea of getting pissed at the viewpoint of another is kind of stupid to me..

Just so I have your perspective correct - say you are a Native American, and Uncle Ted comes out and says this about your race, “I take it as a badge of honor that such unclean vermin are upset by me and my positive energy. By all indicators, I don’t think they actually qualify as people.”.  You would just go buy his albums or go to his shows without a second thought?

Way out of context. Ted NEVER said that about Native Americans. C'mon Saxon. You know damn well he was talking directly about the people who own these casinos that cancelled his shows due to pressure from left wing organizations. Ted has always been a stark advocate for Native Americans and their rights. Don't fall for the bullshit. I understand you hate him, but at least don't twist his words around just to make a point.

I am a Ted Nugent fan and he has said some stupid things, most of which I disagree with. I have not bought a Nugent album in years but if I saw it cheap enough I would grab it.

Where he has lost money from me, is I will spend a single cent to go see him live. No way do I want to be forcefeed his b.s. because I bought a ticket.

His album for the most part, feature lyrics that could have been written by a horney 17 year old who has no clue about women.

Horray! Another Hate on Ted thread on the HOM board.   

ultmetal wrote:

Horray! Another Hate on Ted thread on the HOM board.   

I actually like his music, I wish he would express himself with a better choice of words, its hard to deny he comes off ignorant from time to time.

I think what really sucks, because of his mouth, he does not get his proper due as a musician. If you think about American metal scene of the 70's ( excluding Alice Cooper), the biggest bands prior to Van Halen, were Aerosmith, KISS and Ted Nugent.

The other two artist have made huge comebacks, are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and even those dipsticks at Rolling Stone at long last recongize their greatness, Nugent, gets barely mentioned, his classic albums rarely get the credit they deserve and his place in metal history almost cast aside.

Ted Nugent's a dumbass but I still like some of his tunes.

Ice-T is a loudmouth jerk but I still like Body Count.

Dave Mustaine and Kory Clarke are unhinged conspiracy nuts but I still listen to Megadeth and Warrior Soul.

I'm not into Satan but I jam some Venom, Slayer, Mercyful Fate, etc. now and again.

I'm not a woman hater but I still like the Mentors.

I only go to church when someone gets married or dies, but I listen to Barren Cross, Deliverance  Stryper, etc.

....so I guess my answer to the original question is "nah, I really don't give much of a hoot."

Did anyone see where I said that site isn't real? LOL!

^^ I did, yeah. But my answer to the question still stands.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Did anyone see where I said that site isn't real? LOL!

I did. Sadly, much of it comes off just too darn close to the real thing to be considered absurd or ludicrous. At this point, it would be more satirical for them to publish a story like "Ted Nugent Denounces Hunting, Takes Up Vegetarianism".   

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Did anyone see where I said that site isn't real? LOL!

I did. Sadly, much of it comes off just too darn close to the real thing to be considered absurd or ludicrous. At this point, it would be more satirical for them to publish a story like "Ted Nugent Denounces Hunting, Takes Up Vegetarianism".   

Or Nugent supports Obama!!!

manny wrote:

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Did anyone see where I said that site isn't real? LOL!

I did. Sadly, much of it comes off just too darn close to the real thing to be considered absurd or ludicrous. At this point, it would be more satirical for them to publish a story like "Ted Nugent Denounces Hunting, Takes Up Vegetarianism".   

Or Nugent supports Obama!!!

Now that would be ludicrous AND absurd.   

Even if the Native American comment thing is satirical, I'll go after the question as a hypothetical.

First, I should probably say that I don't seriously identify with a "group." I think it's kind of a waste of time, but maybe that's just sour grapes on my part for having mostly German heritage. What are we good at? Making beer and losing world wars. Not exactly the kind of thing one has a pride parade over...   

But, even if I DID identify really strongly with a group or a viewpoint to the extent that attacking that group or viewpoint became an attack on me, I'd still be much less threatened by someone talking a lot of @#$# than I would be someone who was advocating violence or actually LEADING violence.

It's the difference between someone who wants to argue against me for being pro-choice and someone who is running around killing doctors and bombing clinics. One may rub me the wrong way, but is their right and the other is a clear threat.

When it comes to musicians, I'm much more inclined to "boycott" someone who mistreats or doesn't pay band members than someone who has a viewpoint I don't like - that is IF I like the music they're making.

Ted Nugent is the only artist I can think that I don't support based solely on stuff he says outside of his music (fortunately, it's not hard, as I was never that into him to begin with).

There are some artists I won't support because of their actual lyrical content. Some times it bums me out, like At War and Carnivore (songs like "Rapechase" by the former and "Predator" by the latter just really turn me off from what are musically two excellent bands).

One thing that kind of hurts, though, is MOD/SOD...In my adulthood, I just can't really take the joke any more. I could probably take most of it, but if you're dropping the N word, I'm out. I used to number both bands at the top of my favorites. I will listen to Surfin' MOD some times though...for whatever reason they decided to do the most un-controversial record ever.

I also kind of shy away from bands with ridiculously misogynistic album covers these days, or things that just too much glorify violence towards women. Bugs me that people seem okay with that stuff, but whatever. Their money and ears. There was that one band recently, damn I can't remember the name, their album cover was just like a girl's head with a dude holding a knife to her throat. Yeah, not into that, no matter how killer the music might sound.

Bottom line is, for me, there are a ton of killer bands and records out there. So many that it is easy as hell to ignore/not support/actively boycott the ones who strike me the way the above artists do.