Ted Nugent - Shutup&Jam

Witchfinder wrote:

Ted Nugent is a stage character, just as Alice Cooper is a stage character.  These are roles that people play for various reasons.  It doesn't mean Ted or Alice are like this as real people.

However, I personally wish artists would keep their controversial opinions to themselves - it makes business sense for them to do so.  Why eliminate half or your audience?

I must admit that it amuses me to no end to hear liberals complain about conservative musicians - I mean how many openly conservative popular entertainers are there?  You can count them on one hand.  

I think they have every right to complain when the comments they make are incredibly insensitive and disgusting.

Vexer6 wrote:

Witchfinder wrote:

Ted Nugent is a stage character, just as Alice Cooper is a stage character.  These are roles that people play for various reasons.  It doesn't mean Ted or Alice are like this as real people.

However, I personally wish artists would keep their controversial opinions to themselves - it makes business sense for them to do so.  Why eliminate half or your audience?

I must admit that it amuses me to no end to hear liberals complain about conservative musicians - I mean how many openly conservative popular entertainers are there?  You can count them on one hand.  

I think they have every right to complain when the comments they make are incredibly insensitive and disgusting.

Who ever said you had no right to complain?

Vexer6 wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

Vexer6 wrote:

DakotaRogers wrote:

It's really hard to get into the music knowing what a shit-heel Ted Nugent is.

Yeah, I can enjoy the music well enough, though I think Ted should heed the words of the album title and shut his mouth and jam. When it comes to politics especially it's painfully obvious he has no effing clue what he's talking about.

I think he knows exactly what he's talking about. Whether you or I agree with him on those opinions is a different story.

I've met Ted several times. Spent a whole day with him once. He was a total gentleman the entire day. He talked music, old times, politics, and everything else under the sun with us. We ate shrimp gumbo together. He handed me all sorts of "stuff", including a drum head he had the band sign, a set list from the show that he signed himself and a bunch of guitar picks. He sat for an hour signing all the crap my buddy and I brought along to have signed and reminisced about different albums as he signed them. He was particularly taken back by the Japanese pressing of the first Amboy Dukes album. Had a big old smile on his face. I snapped a picture of that. When he got on stage though, woaaahhh Nelly, that's when the loudmouth came out. Haha!

Well I have to disagree there, I think he's very much clueless in that area, he's also very unprofessional by making disgusting comments like telling Hilary Clinton to "suck on his machine gun"

He's also comes across as a hypocrite by attacking people for being against the war when he himself was a draft dodger for the Vietnam War.

His insensitive comments about mass-shootings and gun control also piss me off.

Don't get me wrong I like his music(at least when it's not a creepy lyrical subject like "Jailbait"), but I think he'd be more well liked if he stopped talking about politics, besides I don't think his fans are really interested in that sort of thing anyways.

And I wish Bruce Springsteen would stop spewing his liberal crap during concerts.  Does that make me throw out my Springsteen albums and disown him? No, because I can separate the man's politics from his music. 

In the end, I totally agree with Witchfinder; musicians should shut up about politics and do what they do, at least in concert.  I'm OK with musicians expressing their political views in interviews but when I go to a show, I don't want to be preached at and I don't care whether it's the left or right doing the preaching.

Please, I beg everyone here to abstain from usage of the word "preachy" for the rest of this thread...

I didn't say "preachy"; I used other forms of the word.  

tohostudios wrote:

I didn't say "preachy"; I used other forms of the word.  

lol Not you Toho I was just begging everyone in general. I feel it comin'...  

I hate Ted Nugent's politics, and even if I agreed with them, he should say them so he does not sound like a douche bag.

That being said, I am still a major Ted Nugent fan, sadly thou I think his stature as a metal/hard rock legend has been hurt because of his various statements on all sorts of things in the last 20 years. Judging him by his music alone, the man has made a huge impact, and thou to some he is not a heavy metal artist, he certainly was considered one in the 70's.

The guy has an excellent tone on his guitar, plays with the energy of some meth headed hopped up on cocaine.

My only complaint about the announcement of his new album, is who greenlighted such a shitty cover?

I get tired of hearing people complain about Nug being a "draft dodger" as if that diminishes his opinion on supporting the troops now. That was well over 40 years ago. What person hasn't grown up, matured, changed ideals, etc. in that amount of time? What person didn't do something incredibly stupid when they were a teenager?

If someone was a drug addict as a younger person, does that mean they have no right to speak out about drug addiction years and decades later?

Here are the facts about Ted's draft status:

An analysis of Ted Nugent's Selective Service classification record doesn't prove or disprove either version of the story. He did indeed receive a high school student deferment (1-S) in 1967 and then (as he stated) a college student deferment (2-S) in 1968. However, he was reclassified as "available for military service" (1-A) in 1969 and then subsequently rejected as a result of a physical examination and given a 1-Y classification.
(The 1-Y classification denoted persons "qualified for service only in time of war or national emergency" and was generally assigned to registrants who had exhibited medical conditions that were limiting but not disabling.) After the 1-Y classification was eliminated by the Selective Service at the end of 1971, Nugent was reclassified as 4-F ("registrant not qualified for any military service").
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp#6v7okRuhmM5IM2GS.99

I'd dodge it. Buy my record.    

corplhicks wrote:

Vexer6 wrote:

ZombieHavoc wrote:

Vexer6 wrote:

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/horrifying-song-ted-nugent-released-1981-nobody-seems-talking-video/

Infinite proof that Ted Nugent is a worthless human...no guitar playing skills make up for that.

I wouldn't call him "worthless"(I reserve that label for true low-lifes like the Koch brothers), but he is an idiot about a lot of things, and while he claims to believe in god, many of his actions are not very "Christian" at all.

I'm guessing this was supposed to go in the Nugent thread. Anyway, I will say that, yeah, Jailbait is almost equal to a Mentors song. Okay, well not quite, but it is disgusting.

Kiss wrote Christine Sixteen, Aerosmith wrote Jailbait, the Beatles wrote I Saw Her Standing There. That's not to mention that Steve Tyler, Bill Wyman, Mick Jagger, Jimmy Page, David Bowie, among many others rock stars had notorious relationships with young teen girls. Unfortunately, and though it's disgusting, in the 1960s through the mid-1980's it was almost accepted that rock stars dated young girls. Anyone remember the movie "Almost Famous"? It was about this very thing. Anyone read Pamela Des Barres' memoirs? It's all about her exploits as a well-known teenage groupie and the rock stars she slept with and dated.



I say all that to say, it amazes me that people only seem to point out that Nugent was with young girls in the 1970's when it was disgustingly and shockingly common in that era.

Also, nobody seems to point out that he's been married to the same woman since 1989.

What Ted stands for is your God given American Freedom.Anyone who has a problem with that whether they be liberal,conservative or middle of the road,there's something wrong there.I hate bringing up politics because I learned a long time ago there's two things you don't talk about with friends,one is politics,the other religion.But I do know that people hold conservatives to a higher standard than they do liberals.Ok,carry on with the music discussion.  

Whatever the case may be it still dosen't make Ted sound like any less of a hypocrite to me, and besides, you can still support the troops without supporting the war itself.  

I most certainly did not support the Iraq war, I and many others thought it was a colossal mistake that never should've never happened, but nevertheless I supported the men and women in uniform who were shipped out to fight for ouw country.

To me Ted dosen't stand for "god-given freedom"(a statement which I find is way overused by the Tea Party), to me he stands for everything that's wrong with Republicans today, with their sexist, homophobic and racist white supremacist ideals that I find incredibly disturbing.

I have good reason to hold conservatives to a higher standard, as from my experiences they tend to preach hatred and ignorance much more often then anyone else.

In general i'm not a fan of "having sex with underage girls" being used as lyrical subject matter, it just comes across as creepy to me, and I can't blame others for feeling the same way.  Just becuase it was "accepted" back then dosen't make it OK in my eyes.

Ted's way of getting out of Vietnam is kind of funny(and gross) actually, he constantly drank coke and stopped going to the bathroom for several days so that he would deliberately fail his army physical.

Don't really see anything wrong with Bruce Springsteen's lyrics at all, don't see how it's "liberal crap" in the least, at least he dosen't preach hatred.

I can seperate the music from his lyrics most of the time, I just think Ted needs someone to tell him when to tone it down once in awhile.

A wise man once said:

"I'm not anti-Reagan,
Reagan's anti-me.
I'm not anti-anything,
I just wanna be free."

Vexer6,
please note that I did NOT say, "because it was accepted back then that it is ok." In fact, I said quite the opposite; disgusting and shocking.

I just don't understand why people feel the need to constantly point this out about Ted Nugent, while they are wearing a Led Zeppelin t-shirt or rocking to some Rolling Stones or Beatles. It was rampant and a disgusting trait of rock and roll in general at the time.

Because Mick Jagger, Steven Tyler never claimed to be men representing family values, happy pie and that people should live life as they do, where Nugent has.

Yes Ted Nugent has been married to the same woman since 1989, but it did not stop him from fathering a child during this happy marriage with another woman, and was forced to pay child support when he contested this and later it was proved he was the father.

Most rock stars are up front about their debauchery and lack of moral compass.

Of course this has nothing to do with Nugent's music, which I am still a fan of.

ultmetal wrote:

Vexer6,
please note that I did NOT say, "because it was accepted back then that it is ok." In fact, I said quite the opposite; disgusting and shocking.

I just don't understand why people feel the need to constantly point this out about Ted Nugent, while they are wearing a Led Zeppelin t-shirt or rocking to some Rolling Stones or Beatles. It was rampant and a disgusting trait of rock and roll in general at the time.

I know all about Jimmy Page's little excurcisions with that 14-year old as well, I read about that on "Cracked".

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I have good reason to hold conservatives to a higher standard, as from my experiences they tend to preach hatred and ignorance much more often then anyone else.

              

BULL  ! I've heard some of the most hateful, disrespectful, downright despicable vitriol from liberals moreso that conservatives. Most "hate" speech attributed to conservatives are either misquotes, out of context soundbites, or downright slanderous lies. I don't normally speak politics because I don't want that kind of riff between me and others. But I am sick and tired of my side of politics getting stuck with titles like racist, fascist, homophobes, etc. Are conservatives totally blameless and pure? Of course not! They're human flawed human beings that make mistakes like anyone else. However, liberals all too often seem to overlook the far left radicals of their side. Like that one recent shooting done by that white supremacist. The guy was a loyal democrat and outspoken anti-Semite but you never hear about that. However, if the guy was a tea party member (which is NOT an actual party but a series of grassroot groups that were tired of their values not being represented in political speech) it would be all over the news.

Now I don't want to put too much tention between me and you liberals around here. Most of you have been wonderful people to deal with (Manny, Uncle Saxon, Spectrefate, etc.) and have shown me that we can co-exist peacefully by staying away from political debates (though it was a little rough in the beginning). But the demonization of conservatives has gotten so out of hand these days that I just can't stand for it anymore. Sometimes a man just has to stand up for his values even though it might cause problems with others.

Well said DB!

lol SD would've had this thread locked down on page one...

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DallasBlack wrote:

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I have good reason to hold conservatives to a higher standard, as from my experiences they tend to preach hatred and ignorance much more often then anyone else.

              

BULL  ! I've heard some of the most hateful, disrespectful, downright despicable vitriol from liberals moreso that conservatives. Most "hate" speech attributed to conservatives are either misquotes, out of context soundbites, or downright slanderous lies. I don't normally speak politics because I don't want that kind of riff between me and others. But I am sick and tired of my side of politics getting stuck with titles like racist, fascist, homophobes, etc. Are conservatives totally blameless and pure? Of course not! They're human flawed human beings that make mistakes like anyone else. However, liberals all too often seem to overlook the far left radicals of their side. Like that one recent shooting done by that white supremacist. The guy was a loyal democrat and outspoken anti-Semite but you never hear about that. However, if the guy was a tea party member (which is NOT an actual party but a series of grassroot groups that were tired of their values not being represented in political speech) it would be all over the news.

Now I don't want to put too much tention between me and you liberals around here. Most of you have been wonderful people to deal with (Manny, Uncle Saxon, Spectrefate, etc.) and have shown me that we can co-exist peacefully by staying away from political debates (though it was a little rough in the beginning). But the demonization of conservatives has gotten so out of hand these days that I just can't stand for it anymore. Sometimes a man just has to stand up for his values even though it might cause problems with others.

It's not "BS" at all, in my personal experiences I've NEVER heard any liberal say ANYTHING as revolting, disgusting, repulsive and sickening as someone like say Rush Limbaugh or Pat Robertson, those sick bastards can go to hell for all I care  

I'm not saying all republicans are like that, there are some moderate and reasonable ones that I like.

But unfortunately the conservative movement has been almost completely hijacked by all those wackjobs in the Tea Party, that's one group that to me stands for everything that's wrong with America today.

I honestly don't know of any far left "radicals", and besides right-wing radicals are talked about more because of how much more well-known they are, because of the sheer amount of hatred in everything they say, and thanks to Faux News they have a vehicle to spread they're lies and propaganda to everyone who will listen.

Faux news? Hmm, And then there's the rest of the news channels that cater to the liberals.
The Tea Party isn't what's wrong with America,it's the current Administration and all their sheep that want the Government to take care of them and hand them everything.Just remember,A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take it all away.

(Sigh) Why does every thread about Ted Nugent turn into a political pissing contest?

Thrasher73 wrote:

Faux news? Hmm, And then there's the rest of the news channels that cater to the liberals.
The Tea Party isn't what's wrong with America,it's the current Administration and all their sheep that want the Government to take care of them and hand them everything.Just remember,A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take it all away.

No channel has spread more lies and half-truths as much as Faux does.

The Tea Party absolutely IS what's wrong with America, NOT the current administration.  The TPers preach hatred, ignorance, misogyny(calling Wendy Davis an "abortion Barbie", seriously how effing disgusting and sickening is that  ), racism, sexism, homophobia and a crapton of other negative things.

People aren't "sheep" that "want the government to take care of them" , that's competely and utterly asinine.

All this stupid fear-mongering "government is going to take EVERYTHING away from you" nonsense is completely ridiculous.  The REAL people you should be afraid are individuals like the Koch Brothers, i'd MUCH rather have the government take control of everything then have those money-grubbing bastards have thier way and completely remove all pollution regulations so that they can continue to destroy natural resources(and cause dozens to get sick with cancer in the process).