New Megadeth in June of '13

The more reviews I read about Super Collider, the more it is making me like the album. Basically every single complaint I heard about this album so far validates why I like the album - I love 90s Megadeth and I have wanted to hear a continuation of the Youthanasia / Cryptic Writings style for some time. Risk had its moments but it wasn't the album I wanted to hear after Cryptic Writings.

What I heard so far from Super Collider fits very well between Youthanasia and Cryptic Writings. I think fans of those albums will probably appreciate Super Collider more.

In terms of newer Megadeth albums (post-reformation) the album is also similar to System Has Failed meets 13. Again nothing wrong with that as I enjoyed both of those albums a lot.

Chairman_Smith wrote:

I've been listening to this for a few days. So far I like it more than Thirteen. Possibly more than Endgame. However I still feel this is a below average release. The production is way too thin and mechanical. Some of the songs sound half finished or not fleshed out enough. The vocals and lyrics are lazy.

Honestly I don't think Dave really has any passion left for this. He poops out a record every 2 years and I think it's because he thinks he needs to. Each tour they play one or two songs off the latest record and then they seem to play the same boring "greatest hits" set they've been playing for the last decade. Each record since The System has Failed gets ignored after it's touring cycle.

First, Dave needs to take a break I think. He also needs to get a producer that doesn't kiss his ass and tells him when he has a bad idea or hes half assing it.

As much as I hate it when bands take 4 to 5 years to release records, I think it might do Megadeth some good.

I think you said it very well.

I thought TESTAMENT and MEGADETH were done creatively until they released "The Gathering" and "The System Has Failed". Then when they pulled me back in they lost me by putting out more subpar product.

Bands can come back but I think you're right that it will take more than 2 years for them to release something truly great. I doubt they are even spending 6 months to write and record albums any more.

This is the worst album they have ever made! Wow, never thought I'd hate something this much as I do. Megadeth needs to get back to being Megadeth and not some crap they have become!

This is wrong, dumb, but totally unexpected from newly born Mr. Mustaine. Just because of one middle finger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Txjq34Jnmhs

BearOnUnicycle wrote:

This is wrong, dumb, but totally unexpected from newly born Mr. Mustaine. Just because of one middle finger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Txjq34Jnmhs

Why is it OK for Lemmy to do this sort of thing but not Dave?

Lurideath wrote:

This is the worst album they have ever made! Wow, never thought I'd hate something this much as I do. Megadeth needs to get back to being Megadeth and not some crap they have become!

Did you hear the whole album?

Alex Dee Rokket wrote:

In terms of newer Megadeth albums (post-reformation) the album is also similar to System Has Failed meets 13. Again nothing wrong with that as I enjoyed both of those albums a lot.

The System Has Failed was my favorite album in 2004.

I bought Super Collider yesterday, and what I've heard so far rocks... hard.

Temple of Blood wrote:

BearOnUnicycle wrote:

This is wrong, dumb, but totally unexpected from newly born Mr. Mustaine. Just because of one middle finger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Txjq34Jnmhs

Why is it OK for Lemmy to do this sort of thing but not Dave?

It's a hanging offence when Geoff Tate does it!

Not sure whether someone already mentioned this here but imo the reason why there is so much hatred directed at Super Collider has more to do with Dave Mustaine's views on life, politics and religion than with the music on the album itself.

Ever since Dave has become a new-born christian, there has been a gradual build up of dislike for the guy from the metal community. In the beginning you would hear people touting Dave's christian beliefs but with every passing year they are painting Dave is a more extreme and negative light than is really warranted imo. Dave has always been somewhat eccentric - it's not the first time in his life / career that he comes across as passive aggressive in his opinions. If there was an eccentricity dial for musicians, Mustaine would still be far saner and mild tempered compared to someone like Axl Rose.

I have nothing personal against either Mustaine nor Axl. I like them as musicians and their views / attitudes don't really bother me in any way. For me it is the music first and foremost that matters. To the extent of Megadeth's music being 'polluted' by Mustaine's christian beliefs - again I don't really care.

Musically having heard Super Collider - I think it is a great album. It comes across as genuine and not forced. Whereas I found the likes of Endgame, whilst good and at times great, a little bit forced too as though Dave was trying too hard to appease the Peace Sells/Rust in Peace fanbase. If anything the likes of Endgame prove that Mustaine can genuinely write and pull of a good 'thrashy' sounding album even after all these years (which arguably the likes Metallica with Death Magnetic did far less convincingly).

Looking back on it, I now see Endgame and Death Magnetic as slightly cynical attempts at albums to accompany the Big 4 shows.

Boris2008 wrote:

Looking back on it, I now see Endgame and Death Magnetic as slightly cynical attempts at albums to accompany the Big 4 shows.

Except Megadeth was kinda/sorts visiting that style of yesteryear on every album this past decade and Metallica wasn't even close to it. (IMHDO) I'd say that Anthrax was doing the accompaniant thing as much as any of the BIG 4

I'm not sure I would be so critical of either Endgame or Death Magnetic.

What I found over the years of being both a Megadeth and Metallica fan is that both bands have continually (rather than continuously) received less than favourable reviews for their music and business decisions.

The reason I say continually is because both bands have gone through phases where they received praised and yet they have also gone through periods of time where they have received less than favourable reviews. Unlike continuously where there is only one, pro-longed, and opened ended term of state of affairs - in this context saying either or both bands released bad albums.

If there is anything factual about music, and especially about bands as prolific as Megadeth and Metallica, is that good and bad press will continually come and not necessarily because the music fits either of those descriptions of being good or bad.

Whenever you ask fans of Metallica and Megadeth the general responses you will receive is: MOP and RIP were fantastic albums, Countdown was a commercial album, Metallica sold out with the Black Album, uhh Metallica cut their hair = Load/Reload are garbage ... uhh.. no Risk is worse ... wait maybe not St. Anger is worse... wait wait.. Lulu is an abomination .... then a new phase starts with comments such as whoa Endgame rules! whoa Metallica are back to their roots Death Magnetic rocks! You get the picture.

The factors that drive these opinions are usually far less concerned with the music itself but with the perception you have of the band. The name Metallica conjures up the band's image round the Justice tour (nevermind that the production on Justice for All was kinda lacking...); similarly with Megadeth it is Peace Sells or Rust in Peace. Hardly anyone says oh yeah ... Hero of the Day! that's Metallica or Crush 'Em yeah that's Megadeth!

When you are then confronted with a new style, be it the image be it the sound you're instantly disappointed. In the case of new albums from either Metallica or Megadeth the expectation is always correlated to the band's past and people don't go into a new album thinking well this may not sound like Peace Sells or Rust in Peace - no it MUST sound like or close enough to those albums for me to like it because subconsciously that is the expectation I have of this product.

And therein lies the problem - when bands get so big they cease to be seen upon as artists and they become a product. Rather than people accepting them as artists who can explore and really do whatever they want, people approach them as Big Macs, Hamburgers and Cheeseburgers at McDonalds.

The artist is as much to be blamed for this. Once you brand yourself with a certain imagery, style, video etc. you run the real risk of crossing the line from creating art for the sake of art and more for the sake of creating a product. It is more evident with bigger names than with those still trying to 'make it'.

For the likes of Megadeth and Metallica where things went 'wrong' (not really) is that they saw themselves as artists but their public image was no longer that - by the time they felt they could experiment with music they were already brand names. In peoples eyes they were delivering low fat low carb whereas the expectation was the opposite...

The flipside is bands like AC/DC - you're not likely to hear AC/DC sounding like Alice in Chains. Maybe they would like to adopt a different style but the reality is, they know they're a product in the consumer's eyes. They know the consumer expects Highway to Hell and Back in Black even if it is slightly watered down but who cares the consumer hears those riffs and instantly yes it's AC/DC getting it! Not - ohh wait a minute who is this again? AC/DC? Really? Didn't they sound like .... (starts singing) "I'm on a highway to hell.."

The winning formula for me as a fan is to listen to a wide variety of bands. Rather than focus on a handful of bands I always seek out something new, something different to listen to. This way I feel my expectations are kept at bay - neither too high nor too low and with a general open mindedness when new albums are released.

I think Super Collider is quite a solid melodic Heavy Metal album, but I just wish it had a few more riffs. Kingmaker is a killer tune, one of the best on the album. But I think the album as awhole sacrificed thrashiness too much for melody and catchiness. Some of Dave's lyrics were a bit annoying at times like in Off the Edge, and Burn though I think both are fairly good songs. I really think Dance in the Rain is a great song but for me was ruined when David Dremain's vocals came in, I really wish Dave had have sung that bit, his snarl would of went well with that killer riff. Some of the solos are really killer as well. Like a lot of people have said the album fits in well with Youthanasia and Cryptic Writings, and is not the crappy album everyone has been making it out to be.

I quite like both Endgame and Death Magnetic, also I have no problem with either band changing their sound as they have gone along either (much less caring about ridiculous crap like the length of their hair!) some of it I've liked, some I haven't, but it's important that the bands themselves decide what direction they go in, I hate but respect Lulu.

I just feel that particularly in Metallica's case there was an element of 'Uh oh! we're doing some massive thrash metal shows, better mend some fences with the guys who loved our old stuff, I even think that Megadeth released their fastest, heaviest album in decades (although I'll conceed that they were heading in that direction anyways), so that the metalheads would be stoked to see them on the bill.

As for the new record, I'll get round to it, but I'm still digesting Black Sabbath, Boards of Canada, Blood Ceremony, Queens of the Stone Age, Purson, Age of Taurus in what has been a mega few weeks! It doesn't strike me as a priority right now.

I was finally able to pick this up today and I tried to listen to it during the car ride while driving around but of course the woman had a headache or it was too loud LOL! What I did hear though didn't sound as bad as I saw the reviews saying. These people that say how they hate this or that album really need to give up on the bands past and live in the NOW. Yea its not Megadeth from 1985 its 2013 and they are a lot older and don't have the same views they did when they were younger so of course its not going to be old school Megadeth no matter what. Is it better than their previous album? I don't know yet, but its not bad. Even the production, at least to me was a breath of fresh air because the last few albums just sounded the same and the band almost sounded mechanical especially in the drum department. I'm not saying I like Drover on this album but he does somewhat sound like he's playing a little different but again not enough to make him the best drummer for Megadeth. I didn't like the Cold Sweat cover, Helloween did a much better one.

Temple of Blood wrote:

BearOnUnicycle wrote:

This is wrong, dumb, but totally unexpected from newly born Mr. Mustaine. Just because of one middle finger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Txjq34Jnmhs

Why is it OK for Lemmy to do this sort of thing but not Dave?

Because Dave is a Christian, living life the right way.

BearOnUnicycle wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

BearOnUnicycle wrote:

This is wrong, dumb, but totally unexpected from newly born Mr. Mustaine. Just because of one middle finger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Txjq34Jnmhs

Why is it OK for Lemmy to do this sort of thing but not Dave?

Because Dave is a Christian, living life the right way.

So is Lemmy!! Isn't he?

BearOnUnicycle wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

BearOnUnicycle wrote:

This is wrong, dumb, but totally unexpected from newly born Mr. Mustaine. Just because of one middle finger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Txjq34Jnmhs

Why is it OK for Lemmy to do this sort of thing but not Dave?

Because Dave is a Christian, living life the right way.

Oh brother.

Let's not go there. Music thread.

Yes I did man.

If you read Dave's interviews from past couple of years, not only they contain some ridicuolous lols which are fun to read, but also show his new image of a good guy who wouldn't hurt a fly. And now that video. Pretty funny. Not able to comment about Lemmy - can not stand Motorhead.
And no, I don't think that Christians can't swear.

I liked The Endgame better than Super Collider.

After reading all of the negative reviews I wasn't sure if I would buy this one or not, but I broke down and picked this up today while I was in Best Buy. I have to say I'm really not sure why people hate this album so much. I'm listening to it right now and I think it's a highly enjoyable listen. It's not my favorite album from Megadeth, but it's certainly not their worst. I really like it, and I'm glad that I grabbed a copy.

BearOnUnicycle wrote:

If you read Dave's interviews from past couple of years, not only they contain some ridicuolous lols which are fun to read, but also show his new image of a good guy who wouldn't hurt a fly. And now that video. Pretty funny. Not able to comment about Lemmy - can not stand Motorhead.
And no, I don't think that Christians can't swear.

Got that right, my dad is Christian and he swears ALL the time, way more then I do.

S.D. wrote:

BearOnUnicycle wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

BearOnUnicycle wrote:

This is wrong, dumb, but totally unexpected from newly born Mr. Mustaine. Just because of one middle finger :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Txjq34Jnmhs

Why is it OK for Lemmy to do this sort of thing but not Dave?

Because Dave is a Christian, living life the right way.

Oh brother. :roll:

Let's not go there. Music thread.

This is why I compared Mustaine to Axl Rose earlier. They both have that tendency to go off at members of the audience. The main difference is Mustaine just rattles off some insults whereas Axl used to blow his top off in a very aggressive manner - jumping into the audience to punch out hecklers.

I found that video mildly entertaining but I wonder, is Dave really that bothered by what someone in the audience cares or says... if someone in the audience does not like a new song or the new album then it is pretty silly of them to even attend.. duh it's the tour promoting Super Collider, the band will play 4 - 5 somgs off the new album and that is pretty standard really... don't like it , don't be there

Dave is a lot like Gene Simmons to me. Just this wacky unique personality that I find entertaining and wouldn't want any other way. I'll also say that they are both people I probably couldn't stand for a minute if I knew them in real life.

I really like Super Collider. And in fact I'm pretty sure with repeated listens I'll grow to dig it more. Basically it is beyond what I would have ever expected of Megadeth circa 2013. And I thought the bonus tracks on the Best Buy edition were worth the extra bucks.