Black Sabbath - *The official thread*

With Bill this time? Fekkin' hope so

TrogDawn wrote:

With Bill this time? Fekkin' hope so

That is NEVER going to happen. I'm sure they will find another session drummer or just use Tommy "Clueless".

I don't know if Bill is up for touring, but they need to have him record for this album. It's the only way to seal the deal on a high note.

S.D. wrote:

Not that surprising, Ozzy has announced Black Sabbath will be going back into the studio with Rick Rubin to record a follow-up album to "13".  They also announced a "final tour" (yeah, right) for late next year after the album is released.  

It's good that they'll put out a new album; I dug 13.

As for the final tour, well, they aren't the first to do so, and won't be the last. I saw them earlier this year on tour, and they were fantastic. I'd love to see them again.

Personally I'm just happy that Tony's cancer treatment has gone well enough that he's been able to tour...and feels good enough to go back into the studio and then embark on another trek after that.

I was just wondering about a new album from them just the other day. I thought 13 was really good so I have high hopes for this one.

S.D. wrote:

Personally I'm just happy that Tony's cancer treatment has gone well enough that he's been able to tour...and feels good enough to go back into the studio and then embark on another trek after that.  

Me, too.

Looking forward to more new music and more shows!

This is great news - I anxiously welcome a new Sab album. I thought 13 was great - and I am sure they have another album in them.

I hope Bill comes back, but even if he doesn't I am looking forward to the album.

I can't see the Bill thing being a goer, so I hope they get the RATM guy again, he did a good job. From what I heard of the live clips, Tommy Clueless really lived up to his name and I would hate it if he got the gig.

Witchfinder wrote:

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Any thoughts or opinions on this 2 disc set?


They had a few copies of this sitting in the used bins at FYE over the weekend, but I held off for now in favor of something else doom related. Worth picking up?

Definitely worth picking up.  It consists of the "semi-official" release Live At Last and some other choice live material.  It all sounds very good.

I picked up a copy and it's well worth the $4 I paid. The sound quality is excellent and the song selection is awesome. It's also nice to hear Ozzy talking between songs without dropping f*bombs every other word.

Geezer was arrested in a bar fight. How 'bout that?

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The 65-year-old musician was booked at the Inyo County Jail under this full name of Terence Michael Butler. He was charged with misdemeanor assault, public intoxication and vandalism and has since been released "after detox and citation," the Inyo County Sheriff's Department said in a press release.

Click here for the full story...
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/black-sabbaths-geezer-butler-arrested-for-california-bar-fight/

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Geezer was arrested in a bar fight. How 'bout that?

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The 65-year-old musician was booked at the Inyo County Jail under this full name of Terence Michael Butler. He was charged with misdemeanor assault, public intoxication and vandalism and has since been released "after detox and citation," the Inyo County Sheriff's Department said in a press release.

It's those quiet, bass playin' ones you gotta watch out for.

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Geezer was arrested in a bar fight. How 'bout that?

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The 65-year-old musician was booked at the Inyo County Jail under this full name of Terence Michael Butler. He was charged with misdemeanor assault, public intoxication and vandalism and has since been released "after detox and citation," the Inyo County Sheriff's Department said in a press release.

Click here for the full story...
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/black-sabbaths-geezer-butler-arrested-for-california-bar-fight/

Kicking ass on more than the bass!

A few things caught my eye - about the article
Geezer was in DEATH valley - that's where " The Undertaker " is from !
That's strange -
He lives somewhere in Beverly Hills - talk about posh !
and it happened after midnight - still parties !
His mug shot isn't bad - compared with others who are famous -

I just recently purchased my first ever copy of 'Born Again' on CD.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

I just recently purchased my first ever copy of 'Born Again' on CD.

that is the last one i need to get.

This may be a bit of heresy and maybe it's even been discussed way back in this voluminous thread, but I'm curious if I'm alone in something.

Personally, I'm sick of all this fawning the original Sabbath lineup gets. I'm not saying they weren't good or that those albums weren't awesome landmarks and the like, but there's this idea that seems to go with it that, without Ozzy, it's not Black Sabbath, and I call full stop b.s. on that. Ozzy was in Sabbath for less than a decade and Iommi has been putting out albums, many of them absolute show-stoppers for far longer than that.

It's probably sour grapes on my part, but it really hit me the wrong way when there was that whole lawsuit from Ozzy to get partial ownership of the Sabbath name a few years back (which, if memory serves, was settled out of court with the details not published). This is one spot where I don't think it's incorrect to say, "You didn't build that."

I like Ozzy, but I'm really sick of his branding becoming the official history. There are a lot of incredible singers who more than filled his shoes over the years and it gives them all a bum deal to see them written out of the story like this reunion thing seems to want to.

And yes, I'll come out and say it: what I heard of 13 left me cold. It sounded like rehashes of old stuff. I'd rather listen to Seventh Star...

Yeah, there have definitely been some landmark non-Ozzy albums. But I don't think the importance of the original Sabbath run can be understated.

The importance of the current reunion of that line-up (including the Bill drama) can indeed be overstated, however. It's just some old guys trying to wrap up their legacy. What could they do, really, after RJD passed? Get another singer and continue H&H? Get another singer and be Sabbath? The only card they had to play at that point was reunite w/ Ozzy. As for Bill's status, I think there is truth on both sides. I'm sure his health AND the amount of money he was offered are both to blame for him not being party to it. But either way, them together now is not as important as what they did together in Metal history.

I think around here you are a lot more likely to find guys who agree with you, Runicen, or who at least really like a lot of the non-Ozzy/non-Dio stuff. I love all of the Ozzy/Dio-fronted records, but I think the other stuff without them is just as great. I recently replaced my old, no longer in existence cassette copy of Forbidden with a CD and listening to it I am still baffled why people dislike it. But here, yeah I think a lot of people enjoy the other Sabbath albums.

Out in the rest of the world, I feel a lot less people are willing to give the non-Ozzy/non-Dio albums a chance to begin with, let alone say they like them.

But I don't think the original BS 8 can be understated, as Mr. of Fire said above. I don't listen to the Ozzy albums much any more, and if I do it's usually Technical Ecstasy because that's the one I didn't wear out as a teen/20something. But that has more to do with overplay than anything.

On a related note, I realized recently that I do not really care for the song "Black Sabbath" at all. The debut is the record I reach for probably least of any Ozzy-era records, but that song is always a skip-through. That and "Planet Caravan". I cannot get into those songs, though I know they are two of the best loved in the catalog.

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Out in the rest of the world, I feel a lot less people are willing to give the non-Ozzy/non-Dio albums a chance to begin with, let alone say they like them.

I've only fairly recently collected up all of the Sabbath discography and the issue I have with all of the non-Ozzy or Dio albums is that they tend to sound a bit generic. They aren't bad albums and feature some great tunes, but they just don't have any personality to them, save for some of Tony's riffs.

When I ripped all of them to my computer and created a playlist of only non-Ozzy/Dio songs, they don't stand-out as Sabbath songs, if that makes sense. They could be any 80's metal band emulating both Tony's guitar sound and whatever was popular at the time. And I don't mean that as a bad thing. It just was.

With both Ozzy and RJD, Tony and the band invented a genre and created something new and original. After that, it seems like Tony was just following the trends of the day and trying to stay afloat. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. There are good and bad albums from that era, they just don't have the Sabbath sound I'm looking for when I need a fix.

MetalGuy71 wrote:

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Out in the rest of the world, I feel a lot less people are willing to give the non-Ozzy/non-Dio albums a chance to begin with, let alone say they like them.

I've only fairly recently collected up all of the Sabbath discography and the issue I have with all of the non-Ozzy or Dio albums is that they tend to sound a bit generic. They aren't bad albums and feature some great tunes, but they just don't have any personality to them, save for some of Tony's riffs.

When I ripped all of them to my computer and created a playlist of only non-Ozzy/Dio songs, they don't stand-out as Sabbath songs, if that makes sense. They could be any 80's metal band emulating both Tony's guitar sound and whatever was popular at the time. And I don't mean that as a bad thing. It just was.

With both Ozzy and RJD, Tony and the band invented a genre and created something new and original. After that, it seems like Tony was just following the trends of the day and trying to stay afloat. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. There are good and bad albums from that era, they just don't have the Sabbath sound I'm looking for when I need a fix.

What this guy said.

Witchfinder wrote:

MetalGuy71 wrote:

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Out in the rest of the world, I feel a lot less people are willing to give the non-Ozzy/non-Dio albums a chance to begin with, let alone say they like them.

I've only fairly recently collected up all of the Sabbath discography and the issue I have with all of the non-Ozzy or Dio albums is that they tend to sound a bit generic. They aren't bad albums and feature some great tunes, but they just don't have any personality to them, save for some of Tony's riffs.

When I ripped all of them to my computer and created a playlist of only non-Ozzy/Dio songs, they don't stand-out as Sabbath songs, if that makes sense. They could be any 80's metal band emulating both Tony's guitar sound and whatever was popular at the time. And I don't mean that as a bad thing. It just was.

With both Ozzy and RJD, Tony and the band invented a genre and created something new and original. After that, it seems like Tony was just following the trends of the day and trying to stay afloat. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. There are good and bad albums from that era, they just don't have the Sabbath sound I'm looking for when I need a fix.

What this guy said.

See, I think Headless Cross and Cross Purposes are among Tony's highlights.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Witchfinder wrote:

MetalGuy71 wrote:

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Out in the rest of the world, I feel a lot less people are willing to give the non-Ozzy/non-Dio albums a chance to begin with, let alone say they like them.

I've only fairly recently collected up all of the Sabbath discography and the issue I have with all of the non-Ozzy or Dio albums is that they tend to sound a bit generic. They aren't bad albums and feature some great tunes, but they just don't have any personality to them, save for some of Tony's riffs.

When I ripped all of them to my computer and created a playlist of only non-Ozzy/Dio songs, they don't stand-out as Sabbath songs, if that makes sense. They could be any 80's metal band emulating both Tony's guitar sound and whatever was popular at the time. And I don't mean that as a bad thing. It just was.

With both Ozzy and RJD, Tony and the band invented a genre and created something new and original. After that, it seems like Tony was just following the trends of the day and trying to stay afloat. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. There are good and bad albums from that era, they just don't have the Sabbath sound I'm looking for when I need a fix.

What this guy said.

See, I think Headless Cross and Cross Purposes are among Tony's highlights.

I'd probably rank Headless Cross among the best of the Sabbath output, I think. That's a tough list to make, anyway, but yeah. I think it holds its own against their other best stuff.