11/11/11 - Black Sabbath

First Tony's illness and now this. Bummer, they are grown ass men, let's get this thing going the right way.

Wow. Strong words from Bill. I thought this was gonna be a health issue but nope.

I smell a rat...

SHAAAROOOOOON! GET YOUR CLAWS OUT OF BLACK SABBATH YOU SEA HAG!!!!

That's my first thought as well, but I was trying to refrain from the immediate Sharon bashing that I like to do so much.

If they aren't giving Bill a fair deal then he SHOULD back out.

I figured a health issue as well. Not sure what exactly he means by a "signable" contract (especially if money's not the issue) but this has to be Sharon's doing. Well at any rate,I hope he's able to get it done and contribute.

007 wrote:

I figured a health issue as well. Not sure what exactly he means by a "signable" contract (especially if money's not the issue) but this has to be Sharon's doing. Well at any rate,I hope he's able to get it done and contribute.

Contracts are always about money. He just said he's not trying to get more than a fair amount...sounds like they're trying to pay him like a hired gun and not a full-on member.

If worse comes to worse, they could simply put in an offspring of either Ozzy, Tony, or Geezer to play ala Van Halen.

metalken wrote:

If worse comes to worse, they could simply put in an offspring of either Ozzy, Tony, or Geezer to play ala Van Halen.

I would imagine that Tony's already got a call into Vinny......

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

007 wrote:

I figured a health issue as well. Not sure what exactly he means by a "signable" contract (especially if money's not the issue) but this has to be Sharon's doing. Well at any rate,I hope he's able to get it done and contribute.

Contracts are always about money. He just said he's not trying to get more than a fair amount...sounds like they're trying to pay him like a hired gun and not a full-on member.

If that is the case, that is pure bullsh!t, especially when Ozzy sued Iommi for the name, claiming Black Sabbath should be equally owned by all four of them. I do suspect that they will make some sort of arrangement for Bill Ward to stay with Black Sabbath.

Brilliant.

My favourite band reunites to record their first album together since 1978 and problems plague the band from day one. First, Tony gets cancer and now Bill Ward doesn't want to continue. If they can't sort this crap out, there won't be a new album.

If they settle their differences and it happens, great. If it doesn't happen, I'm still fine with that as well.

I got to see the original Sabbath in '99 on the first reunion tour, then they did another great record with Dio (yeah, I know, H&H). If that's all there is, I still feel satisfied.

manny wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

007 wrote:

I figured a health issue as well. Not sure what exactly he means by a "signable" contract (especially if money's not the issue) but this has to be Sharon's doing. Well at any rate,I hope he's able to get it done and contribute.

Contracts are always about money. He just said he's not trying to get more than a fair amount...sounds like they're trying to pay him like a hired gun and not a full-on member.

If that is the case, that is pure bullsh!t, especially when Ozzy sued Iommi for the name, claiming Black Sabbath should be equally owned by all four of them. I do suspect that they will make some sort of arrangement for Bill Ward to stay with Black Sabbath.

I might agree but i know sharon loves money more than anything else.

ultmetal wrote:

S.D. wrote:

I would prefer this:

Ha! That would be awesome, but I doubt that will ever happen. Then again, once this Ozzy thing runs it's course, you never know.

They would not even have to use the Black Sabbath name either, but just show their mugs on a poster with BORN AGAIN or another song title off that LP.
Reminds me, I still have to be the remixed CD.

thejokeriv wrote:

metalken wrote:

If worse comes to worse, they could simply put in an offspring of either Ozzy, Tony, or Geezer to play ala Van Halen.

I would imagine that Tony's already got a call into Vinny......

I'm not sure about that. Vinny was brought in by Dio on all 3 occasions, I have a feeling Tony would look elsewhere.

I agree with Bill on this. If he's not given his fair share, he should back out and let the rest of Sabbath face the fans. Bill is a great guy and doesn't deserve to be disrespected by either Tony or Ozzy/Sharon. (I don't think Geezer is involved)

The fans want the whole original lineup!

S.D. wrote:

thejokeriv wrote:

metalken wrote:

If worse comes to worse, they could simply put in an offspring of either Ozzy, Tony, or Geezer to play ala Van Halen.

I would imagine that Tony's already got a call into Vinny......

I'm not sure about that. Vinny was brought in by Dio on all 3 occasions, I have a feeling Tony would look elsewhere.

I don't want anyone to replace Bill... but if it had to be done, I would vote for Jeff Olson from Trouble.

It's very simple. All four should get 25%. Equal, across the board.

Eyesore wrote:

It's very simple. All four should get 25%. Equal, across the board.

yeppers

and..............Vnny Appice is a hack (IMHO)

James B. wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

It's very simple. All four should get 25%. Equal, across the board.

yeppers

and..............Vnny Appice is a hack (IMHO)

I don't know if I'd describe him as a hack but I've never really been a fan of his playing. Somehow he manages to play behind the beat and not be hip?

Perhaps "hack" is kinda/sorta harsh ? He just got a gig cause he knew somebody when there was supposed to be another person there who was more qualified to begin with. Oh well, it is just my opinion.

Silliness from a bunch of silly old men. I'm not even pro-reunion but obviously everyone should get an equal share. Sounds like he's being handed some type of employee contract like Ace & Peter took from KISS.

They'll work it out. Too much money is already riding on this. They've already got festivals and an album lined up, they'd be idiots to let (force) Bill walk away.

Metal Misfit wrote:

Silliness from a bunch of silly old men. I'm not even pro-reunion but obviously everyone should get an equal share. Sounds like he's being handed some type of employee contract like Ace & Peter took from KISS.

They'll work it out. Too much money is already riding on this. They've already got festivals and an album lined up, they'd be idiots to let (force) Bill walk away.

Yeah, Bill knows this too I am sure. I read a story that the tour/album and merchandise will generate over $100 million... way too much money riding on it to not have Bill involved..... That said, anyone wanna bet how wet Sharon's panties are at the dollar figure?

It's a nice move on his put to part this out in the open. Well played and I fully agree with him doing that.