VH1 Classic Metal Evolution

DC, its a eleven part series I am sure they will get to BOC sooner or later.

manny wrote:

DC, its a eleven part series I am sure they will get to BOC sooner or later.

Actually I don't they will since the early years were mentioned already!

Wargod

Wargod wrote:

manny wrote:

DC, its a eleven part series I am sure they will get to BOC sooner or later.

Actually I don't they will since the early years were mentioned already!

Wargod

They are jumping all over the place time wise, they doing one on British metal, thrash, glam, etc so I am sure they will be mentioned

Cradle of Filth Norwegian Black Metal? How does that even make sense when this band is from England and their style of black metal is nowhere near similar to the norwegian style.

Watched all the episodes so far and it's a fairly enjoyable and informative history lesson. I particularly liked the two episodes on the 70's metal bands, which was split into the European metal sound and the American metal sound.

The thrash metal episode was cool, but I think they left out the entire German thrash scene which was as important as the American thrash movement. Including the Gothenburg metal scene as part of thrash was a bit of a stretch IMO.

Next up is the 'grunge' episode. They ask the question, can grunge even be included under the heavy metal banner?

The thrash segment was pretty weak. Like Ult stated, too much not mentioned. Still wondering why nobody gave any love to Cozy for the first appearance of that particular double bass style on record. Oh well..... Tommy Aldridge did the really first metal style double bass drum solos while in Black Oak, during the early 70's.

Overall, I enoy the series for entertainment purposes. Other than that (IMHO) it is slightly above average in content. I would much rather watch the stuff that ended up on the floor in the editing room, more than likely Who knows what kind of content was rejected by VH1 due to their opinion of what catered to that networks audience base ?

I am sure they will tons of bonus footage if this series ever gets released on DVD, I know that Mick Box was interviewed for example but his footage has not aired, as far as I can remember.

I had forgotten about Cozy Powell's ground breaking drumming with Jeff Beck and Rainbow, maybe because Phil Taylor of Motorhead was a more obvious influence, and I did not realize Tommy Aldridge played any double bass on those early 70's Black Oak Arkansas albums, its been years since I have listened to me and still wished I had their discography, which believe it or not owned at one time on vinyl.

I have loved at the episodes so far! I liked the Thrash episode and he did a great job covering it. The series is seems to be made for the casual Metal fan with bones thrown to the hard cores fans like us on HoM.

Back in the day, who would have ever thought that an 11 part series on the history of Metal a la a Ken Burns music documentary would ever be made much less be heavily promoted and air on a national cable/satellite channel?

manny wrote:

I am sure they will tons of bonus footage if this series ever gets released on DVD, I know that Mick Box was interviewed for example but his footage has not aired, as far as I can remember.

I had forgotten about Cozy Powell's ground breaking drumming with Jeff Beck and Rainbow, maybe because Phil Taylor of Motorhead was a more obvious influence, and I did not realize Tommy Aldridge played any double bass on those early 70's Black Oak Arkansas albums, its been years since I have listened to me and still wished I had their discography, which believe it or not owned at one time on vinyl.

If memory serves me correctly, Aldridge didn't actually do much more than accent his fills with double bass on the Black Oak lps he played on. My refrence was more to do with what he did during his drum solos. I used to comment at every 80's show I attended during drum solos that it sounded just like what Cozy and Tommy were doing in the 70's. I saw Black Oak quite a bit.

BTW - anyone notice that Eddie Trunk once again showed off his lack of knowledge of all things hard rock and heavy metal? When they brought out that girl from Rock Star:Supernova during the Stump The Truck, he had absolutely had no idea who she was and look at her as if she was just someone off the streets asking a question. I do have to give the other two jackasses credit - they knew exactly who she was and showed that have have a much deeper knowledge than trunk.

I still have yet to see an "Evolution" episode in its entirety, just bits and pieces here and there when I'm channel surfing.

I saw most of the NWOBHM episode, that was a good one. Nice surprise to see my ol' pal John Gallagher from Raven getting some air time!

Though I was annoyed by Dunn's narration cuz instead of simply saying "New Wave of British Heavy Metal," he kept pronouncing the "NWOBHM" acronym as if it were an actual word ("Noo-wob-him")...which sounded stupid.

I dug how Traci or Tracii threw Steve Riley under the bus. Thought it was kewl that he stated Phil had all rights to tour and play under LA Guns moniker but still wouldn't play with him himself. Totaly honest. I wanted to somehow "call" Traci and say if he would of chose that redheaded dude instead of Steve during auditions back in the day, he wouldn't be having this problem right now. Gonna check out the "acoustaguns" stuff, cause I've always had the opinion that Traci was a notch or two above the other LA guitslingers of the time with the exception of Lynch and Randy.

oops wrong show......I blame Leo

James B. wrote:

oops wrong show......I blame Leo

Yeah - I did it too, wrong tread! LOL!!!!

Fat Freddy wrote:

Though I was annoyed by Dunn's narration cuz instead of simply saying "New Wave of British Heavy Metal," he kept pronouncing the "NWOBHM" acronym as if it were an actual word ("Noo-wob-him")...which sounded stupid.

I thought that was bizarre as well. Never heard anyone call it, "Noo-wob-him".

As for the thrash episode not having enough content, well, there's only so much you can cram into 40 minutes. They really could have broken it up into two episodes, like they did with the US and Euro metal bands of the 70's.

ultmetal wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

Though I was annoyed by Dunn's narration cuz instead of simply saying "New Wave of British Heavy Metal," he kept pronouncing the "NWOBHM" acronym as if it were an actual word ("Noo-wob-him")...which sounded stupid.

I thought that was bizarre as well. Never heard anyone call it, "Noo-wob-him".

As for the thrash episode not having enough content, well, there's only so much you can cram into 40 minutes. They really could have broken it up into two episodes, like they did with the US and Euro metal bands of the 70's.

I was thinking the same thing. I said to myself that the episode devoted towards thrash could have easily been a 2 hour episode. The reason being, it really has had the biggest rebirth as of late. It obviously never went away, but it sort of took a hit with the breakup of Exodus post "Force of Habit", Death Angel going their separate ways after "Act III", Metallica changing their sound after "And Justice For All", Megadeth more or less following their lead with "Countdown to Extinction", Testament taking more chances with "The Ritual", Anthrax also departed from their blueprint sound with "Sound of White Noise", and finally Overkill's surprising change in sound with "I Hear Black" album. Post 1992 for thrash bands was for all intents and purposes a time for a lot of self discovery, unless you were Slayer!!!!

ultmetal wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

Though I was annoyed by Dunn's narration cuz instead of simply saying "New Wave of British Heavy Metal," he kept pronouncing the "NWOBHM" acronym as if it were an actual word ("Noo-wob-him")...which sounded stupid.

I thought that was bizarre as well. Never heard anyone call it, "Noo-wob-him".

As for the thrash episode not having enough content, well, there's only so much you can cram into 40 minutes. They really could have broken it up into two episodes, like they did with the US and Euro metal bands of the 70's.

I have heard it called that before by British commentators...those who were there...it's just a way to say it without saying all the words.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

Though I was annoyed by Dunn's narration cuz instead of simply saying "New Wave of British Heavy Metal," he kept pronouncing the "NWOBHM" acronym as if it were an actual word ("Noo-wob-him")...which sounded stupid.

I thought that was bizarre as well. Never heard anyone call it, "Noo-wob-him".

As for the thrash episode not having enough content, well, there's only so much you can cram into 40 minutes. They really could have broken it up into two episodes, like they did with the US and Euro metal bands of the 70's.

I have heard it called that before by British commentators...those who were there...it's just a way to say it without saying all the words.

Very well could be. I was a fan at the time, but I live on the other side of the pond. Either way, it didn't bother me, I just hadn't heard it used that way before.

That episode was way too short, the end part felt like it was kinda rushed, cramming all those Swedish MDM and Nu Metal bands in the final 5-10 minutes or so...

It started out good but the ending didn't really fit into the whole story, I WAS EXPECTING them NWOTM bands to appear into the picture !!! I kept telling to myself, "They Must be Here, They need to be featured, They SHOULD be featured"

and to my dismay

Short and half-baked, but nontheless Sweet, 45 minutes certainly wasn't enough

Ahhhh, I'm not complaining. At least VH1 is giving an avenue to such things as this.

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Fat Freddy wrote:

I thought that was bizarre as well. Never heard anyone call it, "Noo-wob-him".

I know I've seen Dickinson and Halford use it occasionally. It seems to be a British thing - one British guy I saw talking about video games referred to MMORPGs as "muh-mor-pig-uhs".

I liked the thrash episode but was shocked it didn't end with the new wave of bands being mentioned. Or the fact that a lot of those profiled are still today putting out some good thrash records.

Good show though. And I assume it does well in the ratings since they continually keep showing the episodes.

So far this has been a real good series. Sure there are a lot of mistakes like including some of these bands in the sub-genre's and some sub-genre's should NOT be linked with it, but he does a good job with it as a whole.

I'd like to see Sam Dunn do a full 2 hr doc on each subgenre...

He's probably got enough footage to do an expanded version. Maybe we'll get lucky with the dvds?