VH1 Classic Metal Evolution

S.D. wrote:

So far I've seen Tool described as the following genres in this thread alone...

Prog Metal
Grunge
Alternative Metal
Industrial

This is why sub-genres are worthless, EVERYONE interprets them differently.

:dunno

I'm always right, and everyone else not agreeing are wrong!

"Industrial" to me contains non-traditional instruments. Drum machines, sound effects, digitized and chopped up guitar sounds, vocal effects, etc. ala Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Nine Inch Nails.

Tool is primarily guitar/bass/drums.

Fat Freddy wrote:

The Prog episode started out cool but it lost me once they got into Meshuggah, Dillinger Escape Plan, etc.

How is D.E.P. considered "Progressive?" It sounded like a trunk full of musical equipment falling down an elevator shaft.

Finally saw this episode this morning and have to agree. I was digging it until they got to Meshuggah & Dillinger Escape Plan.

DEP is all about aggression and speed, it's barely even metal and isn't very progressive as far as I can tell. It has more in common with punk and hardcore. I use to have stuff by them and thought it was cool at first but the novelty wore off and I ended up trading them. Same with Training for Utopia.

I did enjoy how much the episode focused back to bands like Yes, King Crimson and Genesis. A band they missed was Nektar, who were a huge influence on the sound of Iron Maiden. I heard Pink Floyd mentioned by a few people, but they didn't really focus on them either. Perhaps Pink Floyd were never dark and heavy enough.

Chris Squire has always been on of my favorite bass players. He didn't look to good in that episode. He was sort of bloated looking and he's always been a fairly think man.

Anyone know if another season is in the works? I'd love to see episodes on more obscure subgenres like southern metal or stoner metal.

Haven't watched any of this series, but I think DEP can definitely fall within the spectrum of prog metal, namely the "tech metal" side. Lots of time-signature changes, jazzy elements scattered throughout.

Tur-Thalion wrote:

Haven't watched any of this series, but I think DEP can definitely fall within the spectrum of prog metal, namely the "tech metal" side. Lots of time-signature changes, jazzy elements scattered throughout.

I think that I have seen them called Math Punk or Math Metal around the net.

The problem with Prog metal is, it is so vast that you can create a subgenre out of a particular subgenre/category, you attach the term 'progressive' in a musical style and it gets confusing as heck.....anyways, that episode was one of the dullest, too much "What?! Thay are Prog?!" kind of shyt going on as you go along

My Top 3 Episodes

1. NWOBHMl
2. Power
3. Thrash



Bottom 3 (Worst to Worse)

1 .Early Metal US
2. Prog
3. Early Metal UK

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Anyone know if another season is in the works? I'd love to see episodes on more obscure subgenres like southern metal or stoner metal.

I think it would be a safe bet that more (or something else with Sam) will be coming seeing as how they gave it the SuperBowl marathon slot and seem to be re-playing them more and more. Pretty clear they consider it a ratings winner. Rather than do the genre thing, I'd much rather see an off shoot with more metal topics discussed. Religion, sex, censorship - that sort of thing. But most of all I'd kill for a part 2 of the Shock Rock episode. Loved that one a whole lot.

Over the weekend I watched:

NWOBHM
Progressive
Nu
Thrash
Early Metal Part 2

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Over the weekend I watched:

NWOBHM
Progressive
Nu
Thrash
Early Metal Part 2

What did you think?

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Over the weekend I watched:

NWOBHM
Progressive
Nu
Thrash
Early Metal Part 2

Cool! Even though I hate all things nu-metal, I thought it was a well done episode.

manny wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Over the weekend I watched:

NWOBHM
Progressive
Nu
Thrash
Early Metal Part 2

What did you think?

NWOBHM - fun to watch, nothing I had never heard before
Progressive - same...though hearing more Mastodon music made me want to check them out deeper
Nu - made me really dislike the genre even more...I really hate that kind of music
Thrash - fun to watch, nothing I had never heard before
Early Metal Part 2 - found it interesting how Page/Plant want nothing to do w/ Metal

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

manny wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Over the weekend I watched:

NWOBHM
Progressive
Nu
Thrash
Early Metal Part 2

What did you think?

NWOBHM - fun to watch, nothing I had never heard before
Progressive - same...though hearing more Mastodon music made me want to check them out deeper
Nu - made me really dislike the genre even more...I really hate that kind of music
Thrash - fun to watch, nothing I had never heard before
Early Metal Part 2 - found it interesting how Page/Plant want nothing to do w/ Metal

They are not the only ones, both Ian Gillan and Ritchie Blackmore loathe the term heavy metal

manny wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

manny wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Over the weekend I watched:

NWOBHM
Progressive
Nu
Thrash
Early Metal Part 2

What did you think?

NWOBHM - fun to watch, nothing I had never heard before
Progressive - same...though hearing more Mastodon music made me want to check them out deeper
Nu - made me really dislike the genre even more...I really hate that kind of music
Thrash - fun to watch, nothing I had never heard before
Early Metal Part 2 - found it interesting how Page/Plant want nothing to do w/ Metal

They are not the only ones, both Ian Gillan and Ritchie Blackmore loathe the term heavy metal

Then Joe Elliot is in good company...

That Glam metal episode was really fun but the dude from Slipknot, what a pretentious twat!!!


I have agree with you Shawn that prog metal episode made me want to check out Mastodon even more. Also nice to see how often Genesis and Yes were referenced.

manny wrote:

That Glam metal episode was really fun but the dude from Slipknot, what a pretentious twat!!!


I have agree with you Shawn that prog metal episode made me want to check out Mastodon even more. Also nice to see how often Genesis and Yes were referenced.

The Slipknot guy just takes himself too seriously...

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

manny wrote:

That Glam metal episode was really fun but the dude from Slipknot, what a pretentious twat!!!


I have agree with you Shawn that prog metal episode made me want to check out Mastodon even more. Also nice to see how often Genesis and Yes were referenced.

The Slipknot guy just takes himself too seriously...

I kind of like them but alot of those lyrics I could have written when I was 16 and pissed off at world for no apparent reason. People= poop is not actually brilliant on any level.

manny wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

manny wrote:

That Glam metal episode was really fun but the dude from Slipknot, what a pretentious twat!!!


I have agree with you Shawn that prog metal episode made me want to check out Mastodon even more. Also nice to see how often Genesis and Yes were referenced.

The Slipknot guy just takes himself too seriously...

I kind of like them but alot of those lyrics I could have written when I was 16 and pissed off at world for no apparent reason. People= poop is not actually brilliant on any level.

Nope...just a way to get people to jump, scream and curse at a live show...which is what sells.

I liked all the episodes, some more than others, but I really enjoyed the episodes about genres that I don't like. It helped place them in context for me.

Ahhhh...the beauty of music...and hard rock/heavy metal included - constantly evolving - thta's how it stays fresh & interesting...we can always go back & enjoy what was many years ago, while hopefully being treated to something new & exciting...keep your eyes & ears open & you'll always be surprised & satisfied...

Rock On!

VH1 Classic re-ran the entire "Metal Evolution" series over the course of this past Memorial Day weekend so I think I'm now officially caught up on whatever episodes I missed/only saw bits & pieces of.

Fave eps were the NWOBHM, thrash, glam and Shock Rock shows... though the Shock Rock episode was totally lacking anything on W.A.S.P. and definitely could've used more GWAR.

Fat Freddy wrote:

VH1 Classic re-ran the entire "Metal Evolution" series over the course of this past Memorial Day weekend so I think I'm now officially caught up on whatever episodes I missed/only saw bits & pieces of.

Fave eps were the NWOBHM, thrash, glam and Shock Rock shows... though the Shock Rock episode was totally lacking anything on W.A.S.P. and definitely could've used more GWAR.

We all could use more GWAR

CRIMSONMASK wrote:

We all could use more GWAR

Ain't that the truth!

Been watching this on the Roku...it's fantastic! Very well done, great interviews, very informative. I'm glad I came to this thread late, because I missed all of the stupid arguing over genres and "what is metal", but I also missed out on the discussion in real time. Anyhow, this is pretty cool documentary.

I remember bursting out at Scorpions under "power metal". That guy is just as much of a tool as Eddie Trunk.