VH1 Classic Metal Evolution

At the very least, it will give us here plenty of fodder to work with. I never get tired of debating what's "metal" and what's not.

MetalGuy71 wrote:

At the very least, it will give us here plenty of fodder to work with. I never get tired of debating what's "metal" and what's not.

or how it looks

True, true!!

Fat Freddy wrote:

I've only seen Dunn's "Headbanger's Journey" and Rush documentaries (I still have "Flight 666" recorded onto a DVD somewhere, but have never watched it!) and dug both of them. The guy seems to know his stuff.

I doubt the chart pictured above is going to be the exact backbone of this forthcoming series. Lord knows he's probably had so many e-mails and letters from angry genre nit pickers that he's probably revised it several times by now.

Those are just the ones he received from Temple of Blood!!

This is gonna rawk oh and of course season 9 of That Metal Show is that sat as well.

Wargod

Am I missing something here? where the hell is TOOL on this chart??

Rocked&Rolled wrote:

Am I missing something here? where the hell is TOOL on this chart??

Dude, you aint gonna fit everyone on there. It's hardly "THE DEFINATIVE LIST of ALL METAL EVER". And besides, even if Tool made the cut, there would still be arguments as to where they belong. Prog? Alternative? Grunge?

Not a knock against Tool. Just sayin.

Rocked&Rolled wrote:

Am I missing something here? where the hell is TOOL on this chart??

I don't think that chart is all inclusive, but only a sampling of bands.

Welcome to the HoM board.

I like Dunn's stuff but my favorite metal evolution charting will always be Fenriz's from the extras of Until The Light Takes Us. Entertaining and informative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk30A13PnfY

I know you're not gonna fit everyone on the chart - but they're never included in the debate. And the way they're selling this show is a little deceiving if its not an all inclusive list. Because its spotlighting the evolution i.e., the bands that helped shape and evolve metal into what it is now.

For once it would be nice if a mainstream outlet like VH1/MTV, etc would actually acknowledge them, even if the members shy away from publicity. Just seems like they never get the credit they deserve...

Rocked&Rolled wrote:

I know you're not gonna fit everyone on the chart - but they're never included in the debate. And the way they're selling this show is a little deceiving if its not an all inclusive list. Because its spotlighting the evolution i.e., the bands that helped shape and evolve metal into what it is now.

For once it would be nice if a mainstream outlet like VH1/MTV, etc would actually acknowledge them, even if the members shy away from publicity. Just seems like they never get the credit they deserve...

When VH1 did their hundred greatest hard rock countdown, they were number 80 somthing, thought it was cool they got the nod.

So Metalcore, Crossover Thrash and Groove Metal are all called Metalcore now? I did not know that

I am sure Tool will get mentioned.

I am gonna try and enjoy the show for what it is......entertainment ! Gonna ignore any charts and graphs, that stuff is pointless (IMHO)

James B. wrote:

I am gonna try and enjoy the show for what it is......entertainment ! Gonna ignore any charts and graphs, that stuff is pointless (IMHO)

That's the way I look at it. If it entertains me for a few hours, I'm happy. Of course I can always voice my displeasures over it right here if it doesn't.

Required Fields wrote:

And how is Opeth a gothic metal band?

I just double-checked the part in the original documentary showing the subgenres and Opeth is clearly not listed under the goth metal section (they're not under death metal either).

Edit: Actually, if there's something that irks me about charts like that, it's not so much regarding where certain bands are "supposed" to go but it's the tendency to retroactively define older bands as one thing or another. No one in the 70s and 80s was calling Dio, Scorpions, or Judas Priest "power metal". They were just straight-on heavy metal acts.

sheets wrote:

Required Fields wrote:

And how is Opeth a gothic metal band?

Edit: Actually, if there's something that irks me about charts like that, it's not so much regarding where certain bands are "supposed" to go but it's the tendency to retroactively define older bands as one thing or another. No one in the 70s and 80s was calling Dio, Scorpions, or Judas Priest "power metal". They were just straight-on heavy metal acts.

I blame the inter-web thingy for all this....

What bands that may not be metal, we will call them proto type metal bands be included, IMO The Yardbirds, the Kinks and Jimi Hendrix should be mentioned, anyone else?

Blue Cheer
Maybe Link Wray, depending on if they want go back that far (he was billing himself as the "Grandfather of Heavy Metal" late in his career).

Maybe the Beatles, if only for Helter Skelter?

Yardbirds for sure helped start heavy metal.
They were one of the first bands slightly using heavy fuzz/ distortion in the way all metalheads would come to expect as standard, until that Hendrix guy came along and had amps that went to eleven.

Clapton was not amused.

I would most definitley include Blue Cheer and I would also include Jeff Beck for the first two Jeff Beck albums 'Truth' and 'Beck-Ola'

Iro Butterfly.....In 68', "in a gadda da vida" was pretty heavy (IMHO)

Hopefully some of Nigel Tufnel and David St. Hubbins' pre-Spinal Tap bands (The Originals, the New Originals, the Thamesmen, etc.) will get some props.

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Maybe Link Wray, depending on if they want go back that far (he was billing himself as the "Grandfather of Heavy Metal" late in his career).

Along with Dick Dale and allot of those old surf rock guitar guys, like the Sufaris and the Ventures.

I've read stuff where their sweep picking technique to play so fast was a precursor to the way thrash rhythm guitar was played.

I'm a little pissed they skipped over Blue Oyster Cult, but the first two episodes were pretty good otherwise