The better release: Endgame or Death Magnetic ?

Hmmmmm. the jury is still out on this one.

It's pretty well documented on these boards that I'm a Megadeth fan-boy, but nothing is sticking with me on Endgame. I like it while its on, but once it's over, I don't remember anything from it.

The Megadeth is the more visceral, in your face listen, sounds a little hungrier. Death Magnetic doesn't have that energy, but it's solid, like an older heavyweight boxer that doesn't quite have the speed...but can still knock your ass on the floor when the punch connects.

The actual "songwriting" on both albums isn't that memorable and occasionally embarrassing on both parts (Broken, Beat & Scarred or 44 Minutes). But as ass-kicking riff collections they succeed admirably.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

I don't even have to heard Endgame to know it's better than Death Magnetic...

Thats my feelings exactly!

Endgame simply for the better musicianship.

detuned wrote:

The actual "songwriting" on both albums isn't that memorable and occasionally embarrassing on both parts (Broken, Beat & Scarred or 44 Minutes). But as ass-kicking riff collections they succeed admirably.

What's wrong with 44 Minutes? It's a mid-paced, hooky song.

ultmetal wrote:

detuned wrote:

The actual "songwriting" on both albums isn't that memorable and occasionally embarrassing on both parts (Broken, Beat & Scarred or 44 Minutes). But as ass-kicking riff collections they succeed admirably.

What's wrong with 44 Minutes? It's a mid-paced, hooky song.

I thought that was a good song as well... I am very familiar with the topic (north hollywood shootout) so that might have something to do with it.

ultmetal wrote:

detuned wrote:

The actual "songwriting" on both albums isn't that memorable and occasionally embarrassing on both parts (Broken, Beat & Scarred or 44 Minutes). But as ass-kicking riff collections they succeed admirably.

What's wrong with 44 Minutes? It's a mid-paced, hooky song.

Dave doesn't have the voice to pull it off. He's trying the narrative style ala Phil Lynott, but you need a really emotive voice to make it work. It comes off laughable, which I'm sure wasn't the intent.

Dave's strong suit has always been anger.

detuned wrote:

ultmetal wrote:

detuned wrote:

The actual "songwriting" on both albums isn't that memorable and occasionally embarrassing on both parts (Broken, Beat & Scarred or 44 Minutes). But as ass-kicking riff collections they succeed admirably.

What's wrong with 44 Minutes? It's a mid-paced, hooky song.

Dave doesn't have the voice to pull it off. He's trying the narrative style ala Phil Lynott, but you need a really emotive voice to make it work. It comes off laughable, which I'm sure wasn't the intent.

Dave's strong suit has always been anger.

He did better on "44 mins" than that lame ballad...

True. That ballad is almost painful.

ultmetal wrote:

detuned wrote:

The actual "songwriting" on both albums isn't that memorable and occasionally embarrassing on both parts (Broken, Beat & Scarred or 44 Minutes). But as ass-kicking riff collections they succeed admirably.

What's wrong with 44 Minutes? It's a mid-paced, hooky song.

Oddly enough, that's actually one of the songs that's beginning to sink in. The chorus is starting to catch on.

ultmetal wrote:

detuned wrote:

The actual "songwriting" on both albums isn't that memorable and occasionally embarrassing on both parts (Broken, Beat & Scarred or 44 Minutes). But as ass-kicking riff collections they succeed admirably.

What's wrong with 44 Minutes? It's a mid-paced, hooky song.

It's my favorite off the record at the moment, and the balled is awesome.

Mustian even says Endgame is better :

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In a recent interview with a Michigan radio station, Megadeth's Dave Mustaine was quizzed about how the band`s new record has been received. Recently released, Endgame has received numerous positive reviews and as the frontman says, even some of the worst critics have been nice to them this time around.


"The record is a complete smash success right now for us," said Mustaine. "Even web sites that are notorious for hating Megadeth, like Blabbermouth, we got an 8.5 out of 10 there. I mean, go figure."

Mustaine said he was also shocked to hear some saying that Megadeth's latest record is better than Metallica's last release, Death Magnetic. When asked which album is better, Mustaine stated he does think his is better.

"And that's not a dig at Metallica; it's just how I feel," he said. "And I know that they've got a lot of records that are better than the stuff I've put out, but not all of it, and certainly not the stuff that we made together."

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dave_mustaine_endgame_is_better_than_metallicas_death_magnetic.html

I'm liking ENDGAME better at the moment. Of course, that's probably cuz I've listened to ENDGAME about three dozen times in the past two days since I picked it up

Fat Freddy wrote:

I'm liking ENDGAME better at the moment. Of course, that's probably cuz I've listened to ENDGAME about three dozen times in the past two days since I picked it up

The best thing about Death Magnetic was Hetfield's return to the speedy rhythm playing but the other guys made no impovement imo. Kirk is still slacking and Lars is Lars... They made no use of Robert's bass skills which was a disappointment. I guess that is why i think Endgame is the better album. But i may change my mind because sometimes i prefer the more simple approach than the Uber-shredding.

I really thought "Death Magnetic" was a long overdue return to form. The bass playing, drumming, guitar - all of it! Was spot on!!!

The only drawbacks I have about the album are:

1) the vocals ... they leave a little to be desired, but James is getting older

and

2) the songwriting wasn't real strong. I mean, there are some good moments with the songwriting, but overall - it seemed a little thrown together.


All in all, this is not even close to one of Metallica's brightest moments, but it's also the best thing they have released since "... And Justice for All", and that says a lot!!!

Aside from my minor complaints about "Death Magnetic", it's 4 X the album "Endgame" is. Megadeth is weak.


I've never been a fan of Megadeth though ...

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I really thought "Death Magnetic" was a long overdue return to form. The bass playing, drumming, guitar - all of it! Was spot on!!!

The bass is barely there, which is a shame because Robert is a good player. Kirk is still not up to speed imo and Lars... he made a slight improvement but that's not saying much.

Well, I disagree. I thought the bass (though more subtle), was actually there pretty strongly.

Maybe I'm wrong. It's been a little while since I heard this album. Maybe I should spin it again with this in mind.

Of course "Engame" is better. Don't be ridiculous.

Temple of Blood wrote:

Of course "Engame" is better. Don't be ridiculous.

NO ... you don't be ridiculous!

Metallic Blaze wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Of course "Engame" is better. Don't be ridiculous.

NO ... you don't be ridiculous!

Both of you stop being redickless.

side by side, hmmmm

cover=Death Magnetic
production=Endgame
songwriting=Endgame
arrangements=Endgame
overall performance=Endgame
individual performance
vocals=Endgame
guitar(rhythm)=Endgame
guitar(solos)=Endgame
drums=Endgame
bass=Endgame
flow of songs=Endgame
overhyped=Death Magnetic

After listening to Endgame several times I still say its the better of the two.I havent heard anything outstanding from Metallica since Justice.Of course my opinion may be a little biased as I've always preferred Megadeth over Metallica.

I don't know how you all can say Metallica has released a "return to form", I don't hear it at all. The riffs aren't all that great and they have real weak distortion. Sounds exactly like Load and Reload guitar tone.

Megadeth have found their way back for the most part. Sure, 2 songs that are a little on the lame side, but I'd rather have 2 not so great songs on a Megadeth album than a whole albums worth of lame songs on the new Metallica!

mc666 wrote:

Death Magnetic...by a mile. the lyrics on both albums are dumber than dirt though.

i'll admit that the soloing & riffs on Endgame are probably the best Megadeth have had since Marty left, & it's probably the strongest of their last 8 albums. the songs just aren't there. nor is the attitude. at least not to my ears.

This man knows what he is talking about. Dave just cant put riffs with lyrics. He wants to be all technical but in the end the songs are just blah IMO. Nothing memorable about them. Look at CTE - CW he substituted riffs for songwriting and those albums were killer to me. Its all about staying power not thats an awesome riff and solo. If you can do both then you have my attention.

DM > Endgame

In my opinion, Endgame kicks some serious ass, while Death Magnetic is pathetic. The only good thing about it is that it's better than St Anger.

Good Old Dave Mustaine still has some juice, and on his latest album, he delivers an astonishing performance. Metallica should learn from him. I'm still awaiting their real comeback, a true return to the roots.