The Doom/Sludge/Stoner thread

Marc Mason wrote:

This is some exceedingly bad news, bro. Guess that's why they call the stuff 'Doom', right? Schitt is dark and somber, yo. The blues ain't got nothin' on Doom, playa.

Why do bands always split when they've got their schitt intact and all their ducks in neatly assembled row?

I'm listening to Zep 5 right now. Wouldya qualify the track 'No Quarter' as being Zep's one and only attempt at Doom? lol. No, but really. Well, Dazed and Confused had some potential too. You laugh, but these are all seeds for the genre, mate. If they woulda used some drop tuning on this one, it woulda been muy creepioso, yo.

♪♫ Walking side by side with death, devil mocks their every step. Ew, hew, hew, whew. Snow drives back the foot that's slow. The dogs of doom are howling more. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They carry news that must get through, to build a dream for me and you. Oh, no, no, ho, ho. Build ya a path where no one - - goes.....Gratuitious Doom Riffage....They ask, they hold, they want, they ask , they ask no quarter. ♪♫

Right, brah?

Again, how long were you in prison for?

Eyesore wrote:

Again, how long were you in prison for?

Do I know you, brah? C'mon 'fess up now. PM me with the scoop, son. And, ye'siree, I indeed spent eight days in jail once. That's approx. a block of 192 hours that I don't want to ever relive.

SpectreFate wrote:

No Quarter" was darker and doomier than anything Sabbath did after their first album.

Now, don't jump the gun on me, guy. It's fun making those kinda wide, sweeping statements like what you just tossed at us above...But, whadaya do when one of your metalic brethren calls ya out on your postulate and delivers an example which lays waste to your thereom? Whadaya do then, brah?

Hows about a track like Sabbath's Megalomania? Surely, it's not quite as E-val as that devil's interval which serves the basis for the band's founding track, 'Black Sabbath'...but, it's still definitely worthy of mention as an early example of that which is thoroughly Doom-laden That's a number from 1975's Sabatoge. Another track from this particular genre-defining outing actually uses the same exact three-note structure which can be found on the lead-off track on Sabbath One. That would be 'Symptom of the Universe'. Both songs sound tremendously different, yet the same three note riff lies at their core.

Megalomania

I hide myself inside the shadows of shame
The silent symphonies were playing their game
My body echoed to the dreams of my soul
It started something that I could not control
Where can I run to now? The joke is on me
No sympathizing 'cos it's insanity, yeah

Why don't you just get out of my life, yeah?
Why don't you just get out of my life now?
Why doesn't everybody leave me alone now?
Why doesn't everybody leave me alone, yeah?

Obsessed with fantasy obssessed with my schemes
I meet reality with pseudo mock dreams
The ghost of violence was something I'd seen
I sold my soul to be the human obscene
How could this poison be the dream of my soul?
How did my fantasies take complete control, yeah?

Why don't you just get out of my life, yeah?
Why don't you just get out of my life now?
Why doesn't everybody leave me alone now?
Why doesn't everybody leave me alone, yeah?

Well I feel something's taken me I don't know where
It's like a trip inside a separate night
The ghost of tomorrow from my favorite dream
Is telling me to leave it all behind
Feel him slipping away, slipping in tomorrow
Got to get to happiness
Want no more of sorrow
How I lied, went to hide
How I tried to get away from you now
Am I right if I fight?
That I might just get away from you now
Sting me!

Well I feel something's giving me the chance to return
It's giving me the chance of saving my soul
Beating the demigod, I'm fading away
I'm going backwards but I'm in control
Feel him slipping away, slipping in tomorrow
Getting back to sanity, providence of sorrow
Was it wise to disguise
How I tried to get away from you now
Is there a way that I can pay
Or is it true I have to stay with you now?

How I lied, went to hide
How I tried to get away from you now
Am I right if I fight?
That I might just get away from you now
Suck me!

I'm really digging schizophrenia the best of the earth
I'll chase my soul in the fires of hell
Peace of mind eluded me, but now it's all mine
I simply try, but he wants me to fail
Feel him slipping away, slipping in tomorrow
Now I've found my happiness, from the depths of sorrow
No more lies, I got wise
I despise the way I worshipped you, yeah
Now I'm free, can't you see
And now instead I won't be led by you now
Free!

I have a feeling that many 'o these lyrics to the above BS song are just dead wrong. SOMEONE PLEASE POST the actual lyrics to this BS masterpiece.


Memory Garden - Carnage Carnival


I just finished listening to the above Epic Doom title. Any of you cats familiar with what Memory Garden does? They're certainly not for little nancy-boys. Check 'em out.

http://www.imeem.com/tag/?f=music&q=artist:memory%20garden

What do you guys think of bands like, say, Forest Of Shadows and Lord Vicar? Lord V might be a little bit too much like Cathedral...and, most of their stuff is shiite, no? Both bands dabble in copious amounts of green leafage, that's apparent.

I haven't heard either of those bands (yet)...but as for Cathedral since we've brought them up.

I've had a like/hate relationship with Cathedral since they first came out. Very few bands have the ability to go from near-genius one second...to absolute stupidity the next...but they've been doing it non-stop since the 90's. I guess what bugs me, is that I've never been able to figure out whether Dorrian is serious or not...sometimes I think Cathedral is his big "inside joke" just to see if anyone will still buy their records.

Regardless of the intent, there's alot of Cathedral's music I like...and there's quite alot I can't stand either.

The Carnival Bizarre was their "Paranoid". I think they blew their wad on that one. Everything else has been real iffy.

SpectreFate wrote:

The Ethereal Mirror was their "Paranoid". I think they blew their wad on that one. Everything else has been real iffy.

agreed

You're being persnickity again.

SpectreFate wrote:

The Carnival Bizarre was their "Paranoid". I think they blew their wad on that one. Everything else has been real iffy.

I think Caravan Beyond Redemption is close in quality to The Carnival Bizarre, that's one of the other albums that I could recommend without much hesitation. Other than those two (and to a lesser degree - The Ethereal Mirror) it's just a song here or there on each album.

Wait a second here, mates. I think I mightn't be on the same page as the rest of the consensus opinion here. Well, I didn't care much at all for the Forest Of Equilibrium. That one was the sure-fire forebearer of the sub-genre known as Funeral Doom. I just can move at that tempo. Schitt is too sllloo-ooww, son.

I think that The Ethereal Mirror is much more up me alley. Actually, it was that specific title which made me aware of the genre, and that I was diggin' it. There's also some fun Cathedral stuff, which of course, needs to be taken with a grain of salt, like all that horn stuff that's on Hopkins, Witchfinder. I don't think I ever made it as far as The Carnival Bizarre. Much better stuff around.

Yeah, Cathedral was definitely a band that didn't live up to its potential. Too much pot, I think. But, they really seemed to be having fun with it all. Not takng themselves so serious. You look at a band like that and think that they'd be one of these two records and out sorta outfits, but they're actually one of the most consistent bands in Doom...They've consistently sucked for like 18 years now! I can't believe that them and Witchfinder General still release material after all this time. Good for them...I think.

I was just checking out some ISOLE material. Now, that's a decent band. Memory Garden too.

You might want to check out Carnival Bizarre - Iommi plays guitar on the song "Utopian Blaster".

Sounds like a plan, Stan. I just popped on Candlemass' Nightfall. Love that release. You a big Candlemass fan, detuned?

Marc Mason wrote:

Sounds like a plan, Stan. I just popped on Candlemass' Nightfall. Love that release. You a big Candlemass fan, detuned?

I followed them for awhile in the 80s, but I've got a problem with "operatic vocals"....so Messiah bugs the crap out of me.

I lean more towards "stoner" than "doom".

frickin reverend bizarre, awesome band!

Utopian Blaster is one of my all time favorite tunes by anybody. Stinkin' heavy!!!!!

Hamer12 wrote:

Utopian Blaster is one of my all time favorite tunes by anybody. Stinkin' heavy!!!!!

Yeah, that's a great song. I'm also a big fan of the tune Satanikus Robotikus from Caravan Beyond Redemption (the lyrics are tongue in cheek genius)...heavy as hell.

The heaviest song of ALL time is Nothing by Crowbar off of Broken Glass, just pure bone crushing HEAVINESS!!!!!!!!

is lamb of god considered sludge?

metalhead777 wrote:

is lamb of god considered sludge?

no, they're in the grove/metalcore category.

Anybody here into the band YOB?

I think they're a great doom band that always has some great atmospheric stuff.
They've been around for a while and and have recently reformed after a breakup and are supposed to start recording a new album later this month.

I've always liked their stuff. The new album is supposed to be 5 tracks clocking in at about an hour, so short-attention-span theater this ain't, but if you can get into this type of stuff I recommend 'em.


http://www.myspace.com/yobdoom

Svengo wrote:

Anybody here into the band YOB?

I think they're a great doom band that always has some great atmospheric stuff.
They've been around for a while and and have recently reformed after a breakup and are supposed to start recording a new album later this month.

I've always liked their stuff. The new album is supposed to be 5 tracks clocking in at about an hour, so short-attention-span theater this ain't, but if you can get into this type of stuff I recommend 'em.


http://www.myspace.com/yobdoom

That's awesome, thanks for the recommendation.

detuned wrote:

That's awesome, thanks for the recommendation.

Glad you liked it, I hope they get a bit more recognition this time around.

Where are people getting their Soundgarden - Into To The Void tracks? My friend had a 1991 expanded version of Badmotorfinger which had several extra tracks, like She's a Politician and Stray Cat Blues. I haven't seen that around except for his copy. I have two copies of a Maxi-single for Rusty Cage which has Void, along with Show Me and Girl U Want.

All this doom talk and I forgot to mention Confessor. A great and very underrated band.

Found a couple of cool covers of "Into The Void" by Kyuss and Soundgarden.......