McCain or Obama

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But let's be honest here. How safe would I have been in that same situation if Obama was assassinated the night before?

Not to be all crazy cat lady, but that is a scary thought. Imagine race riots all over. The very fabric of the country could change. Finally everyone would have to face the 800 lb gorilla we all have been overlooking for generations.

Eyesore wrote:

spectrefate wrote:

I think McCain will win as well. I think alot of the shaky Obama supporters won't follow through. As ignorant as it may sound, the race thing will be an issue when people get in the booth.

I don't care either way, but I honestly worry that if Obama is elected, he'll be assassinated. I just think back to what happened in 1994 with the Rodney King beating. That was horrible, but the aftermath was almost unthinkable. Imagine what would happen all over this country if the first black President was assassinated.

Maybe I'm thinking crazy stuff, but I just don't want to even find out.

I just don't understand this line of thought. Let's not vote for someone because he "might" be assassinated? That's a sure way to make sure no further progress is ever made in this country.

Yes, the country has alot of racist scumbags running around (believe me, I grew up in rural WV, I know), but that's still insufficient reason to not vote for a black man for president...in case he's assassinated...which could cause a race war.

I'm voting for Obama, because I'm tired of the "old coot" brigade in Washington, because McCain is a dottering old fool that's more likely to drop dead from a heart attack than Obama is to be assasinated. And because I'm sick to death of the 8 years of a GOP led government that has accomplished nothing but get us into a war we weren't supposed to be in, run through a budget surplus and turn it into the biggest national debt in history and basically ruin our reputation with the rest of world because we had a dumb ass redneck running the White House.

No thanks, let me off this bus.

detuned wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

spectrefate wrote:

I think McCain will win as well. I think alot of the shaky Obama supporters won't follow through. As ignorant as it may sound, the race thing will be an issue when people get in the booth.

I don't care either way, but I honestly worry that if Obama is elected, he'll be assassinated. I just think back to what happened in 1994 with the Rodney King beating. That was horrible, but the aftermath was almost unthinkable. Imagine what would happen all over this country if the first black President was assassinated.

Maybe I'm thinking crazy stuff, but I just don't want to even find out.

I just don't understand this line of thought. Let's not vote for someone because he "might" be assassinated? That's a sure way to make sure no further progress is ever made in this country.

Yes, the country has alot of racist scumbags running around (believe me, I grew up in rural WV, I know), but that's still insufficient reason to not vote for a black man for president...in case he's assassinated...which could cause a race war.

I'm voting for Obama, because I'm tired of the "old coot" brigade in Washington, because McCain is a dottering old fool that's more likely to drop dead from a heart attack than Obama is to be assasinated. And because I'm sick to death of the 8 years of a GOP led government that has accomplished nothing but get us into a war we weren't supposed to be in, run through a budget surplus and turn it into the biggest national debt in history and basically ruin our reputation with the rest of world because we had a dumb ass redneck running the White House.

No thanks, let me off this bus.

And you showcase a huge problem when it comes to understanding racism, and what's wrong with the skewed perspective so many have when it comes to this election.

Where did I ever say Obama shouldn't be voted for, let alone because he's black?

you forget eyesore that anyone who says anything against obama -has- to be racist. Its really the only way they can deflect against his unamerican policies....

- dont like the goverment 'spreading the wealth' as obama told the plumber - your a racist
- think its naive to sit down with iran without any conditions - your a racist
- dont think goverment running healthcare like social security/education is a good thing - your a racist

Obama engages in class warfare, ageism and racism like the best of them.

Alex

exact33 wrote:

you forget eyesore that anyone who says anything against obama -has- to be racist. Its really the only way they can deflect against his unamerican policies....

- dont like the goverment 'spreading the wealth' as obama told the plumber - your a racist
- think its naive to sit down with iran without any conditions - your a racist
- dont think goverment running healthcare like social security/education is a good thing - your a racist

Obama engages in class warfare, ageism and racism like the best of them.

Alex

Well said! This is precisely the reason I stay out of this debate.

I think Obama is a Socialist and is all about wealth redistribution. Has not a damn thing to do with what his race is.

But tell that to an Obama supporter and in all likelihood I get branded with the "R" word.

BTW,

am I the only one who sees the irony in the fact that the same people who crucify the government (FEMA) for their handling of Hurricane Katrina are the same people screaming for govnernment-run health care?

What the hell makes you think a huge beaurcracy would be any better at running a health program than they were at running an emergency program?

And talk to some Canadians about their government-run health care programs. Need to see a doctor? Wait several weeks.

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Wait until the first of October when gas prices miraclulously take a tumble. Then the polls will even out.

I want to say....I just read this post by Spec (Date Sept. 24th!!!!!!!!!) and my jaw literally dropped.

Spec........when do I buy some GM or Microsoft stock??????????

tohostudios wrote:

BTW,

am I the only one who sees the irony in the fact that the same people who crucify the government (FEMA) for their handling of Hurricane Katrina are the same people screaming for govnernment-run health care?

What the hell makes you think a huge beaurcracy would be any better at running a health program than they were at running an emergency program?

i think in addition to FEMA you can say the goverment has done a great job of running social security (regardless of whether its a R or D as president), education or other big entitlement programs.

Alex

scottmitchell74 wrote:

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Wait until the first of October when gas prices miraclulously take a tumble. Then the polls will even out.

I want to say....I just read this post by Spec (Date Sept. 24th!!!!!!!!!) and my jaw literally dropped.

Spec........when do I buy some GM or Microsoft stock??????????

but i just bought some GM

Alex

exact33 wrote:

tohostudios wrote:

BTW,

am I the only one who sees the irony in the fact that the same people who crucify the government (FEMA) for their handling of Hurricane Katrina are the same people screaming for govnernment-run health care?

What the hell makes you think a huge beauracracy would be any better at running a health program than they were at running an emergency program?

i think in addition to FEMA you can say the goverment has done a great job of running social security (regardless of whether its a R or D as president), education or other big entitlement programs.

Alex

Yeah, the party in power has nothing to do with it. Any time you have a huge beauracracy trying to help "the little guy", it just doesn't happen. Ever try to follow whatever happened to all the money donated to The Red Cross in the wake of 911? Or donations to The United Way?

I'm not saying those organizations don't do any good but they're just not efficient at getting relief to the folks that need it because they are too damn big.

Now put the government in charge of a program like that and factor in the inherent corruption on top of the beauracratic red tape and you have a recipe for disaster IMO.

I voted today. Yay!

tohostudios wrote:

exact33 wrote:

tohostudios wrote:

BTW,

am I the only one who sees the irony in the fact that the same people who crucify the government (FEMA) for their handling of Hurricane Katrina are the same people screaming for govnernment-run health care?

What the hell makes you think a huge beauracracy would be any better at running a health program than they were at running an emergency program?

i think in addition to FEMA you can say the goverment has done a great job of running social security (regardless of whether its a R or D as president), education or other big entitlement programs.

Alex

Yeah, the party in power has nothing to do with it. Any time you have a huge beauracracy trying to help "the little guy", it just doesn't happen. Ever try to follow whatever happened to all the money donated to The Red Cross in the wake of 911? Or donations to The United Way?

I'm not saying those organizations don't do any good but they're just not efficient at getting relief to the folks that need it because they are too damn big.

Now put the government in charge of a program like that and factor in the inherent corruption on top of the beauracratic red tape and you have a recipe for disaster IMO.

I think as well that having goverment do everything for you robs you of your liberty and freedom. If you are taken care of by the governemnt from cradle to grave why strive to be something better? Why try to produce the goods and services that others need/want/desire and try to become rich? I think fundamentally that socalism robs people. You never know what you can do because there is no incentive to try.

To be sure there should be some healthcare for those who are infirm, handicapped or have conditions that otherwise prevent them from being productive members of society.

Alex

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To be sure there should be some healthcare for those who are infirm, handicapped or have conditions that otherwise prevent them from being productive members of society.

Agreed. But I don't want the government doing it.

Any time the government runs anything, it opens itself up to deadbeats who by their own choice would rather suckle at the government teat than work. Plus, the US government is so huge and full of red tape that even those who really deserve the help of Uncle Sam will have a hard time getting it due to beauracratic inefficiency.

tohostudios wrote:

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To be sure there should be some healthcare for those who are infirm, handicapped or have conditions that otherwise prevent them from being productive members of society.

Agreed. But I don't want the government doing it.

Any time the government runs anything, it opens itself up to deadbeats who by their own choice would rather suckle at the government teat than work. Plus, the US government is so huge and full of red tape that even those who really deserve the help of Uncle Sam will have a hard time getting it due to beauracratic inefficiency.

you and I ought to run for president toho Ill even let you go on SNL and show your legs

Alex

So who is Howard Dean supporting?

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The real issue is this," Dean said, "Who would you rather have in charge of the defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country honorably and has three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star on the battlefields of Vietnam?"

McCain, has been awarded the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, two Bronze Star Medals, a Purple Heart and the Distinguished Flying Cross.

Neither Obama or Biden have served a day overseas in their life for the Military.

Oops, wait, Dean said this in March of 2004.... my bad.

Tall Tyrion wrote:

So who is Howard Dean supporting?

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The real issue is this," Dean said, "Who would you rather have in charge of the defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country honorably and has three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star on the battlefields of Vietnam?"

McCain, has been awarded the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, two Bronze Star Medals, a Purple Heart and the Distinguished Flying Cross.

Neither Obama or Biden have served a day overseas in their life for the Military.

Oops, wait, Dean said this in March of 2004.... my bad.

but obama knows about military things - he hangs around with William Ayers who knows how to blow up goverment buildings

Alex

exact33 wrote:

tohostudios wrote:

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To be sure there should be some healthcare for those who are infirm, handicapped or have conditions that otherwise prevent them from being productive members of society.

Agreed. But I don't want the government doing it.

Any time the government runs anything, it opens itself up to deadbeats who by their own choice would rather suckle at the government teat than work. Plus, the US government is so huge and full of red tape that even those who really deserve the help of Uncle Sam will have a hard time getting it due to beauracratic inefficiency.

you and I ought to run for president toho Ill even let you go on SNL and show your legs

Alex

If your presidency is contingent on me showing my legs on SNL, you have waaaaay bigger problems getting elected.

well its better than me showing mine

Alex

tohostudios wrote:

exact33 wrote:

you forget eyesore that anyone who says anything against obama -has- to be racist. Its really the only way they can deflect against his unamerican policies....

- dont like the goverment 'spreading the wealth' as obama told the plumber - your a racist
- think its naive to sit down with iran without any conditions - your a racist
- dont think goverment running healthcare like social security/education is a good thing - your a racist

Obama engages in class warfare, ageism and racism like the best of them.

Alex

Well said! This is precisely the reason I stay out of this debate.

I think Obama is a Socialist and is all about wealth redistribution. Has not a damn thing to do with what his race is.

But tell that to an Obama supporter and in all likelihood I get branded with the "R" word.

Obama is a Socialist!!! I'm glad to see other people see it! And it worries me - all socialism does is take away your freedoms, I was a political science major and Obama's proposals are pure socialism (i.e. redistribution of wealth, his health care proposals, federal gov run education, etc, etc). It's right there in his comments "we should spread the wealth around" "you make more, we should give it to those who have less", "I want to give you the same health care that Sr McCain and I have" - a government provided policy.

Where does he think all the money will come from and be able to "give 95% of americans a tax cut"? There has not been a democrat party president since 1900 who has not raised taxes.

I could care less about a candidate's race or sex, he's not getting my vote because he's a socialist.


EYESORE - I have noticed the daily polls are closer and gas prices are lower!

Let's get something straight.

I NEVER CALLED ANYONE A RACIST!!!! OKAY?

I simply stated that worrying about someone getting assassinated shouldn't be an issue you think about when voting for someone. When I went to work today I "could" have been hit by a drunk driver and killed...I wasn't...but I also didn't skip work just "in case I might have been".

detuned wrote:

Let's get something straight.

I NEVER CALLED ANYONE A RACIST!!!! OKAY?

I simply stated that worrying about someone getting assassinated shouldn't be an issue you think about when voting for someone. When I went to work today I "could" have been hit by a drunk driver and killed...I wasn't...but I also didn't skip work just "in case I might have been".

Well, for the record, I never implied you called me a racist. I was simply making a point that you didn't read what I said. I never said anyone should or shouldn't vote because he's black and might be assassinated. I simply said that I fear that might happen. I was talking about the dark side of humanity. Yes, that points to things cultural, but it had nothing to do with who or who you shouldn't vote for.

Obama still has my vote. nothing anyone has said, from McCain's party to the people here, have changed anything for me.

Eyesore wrote:

Well, for the record, I never implied you called me a racist. I was simply making a point that you didn't read what I said. I never said anyone should or shouldn't vote because he's black and might be assassinated. I simply said that I fear that might happen. I was talking about the dark side of humanity. Yes, that points to things cultural, but it had nothing to do with who or who you shouldn't vote for.

Yeah, I knew you didn't, it seemed that some others thought I was.

Anyway, I can see your point (and I probably should have read your post more carefully), it just makes me nervous when the "fear factor" comes into play, because there are plenty of "not so bright" folks in this country who may not vote their conscious based on hypothetical scenarios like the one you described.

Obama is scary. Every time i learn something new about him i get more worried. He is a islamic sympathizer and a socialist.