Trivium

ultmetal wrote:

The vocals on those albums were terrible, in my opinion.

I agree. That's what ruins those albums for me. The music is awesome, and not really any different from The Crusade, but Heafy can't scream. I am a fan of The Crusade, and a big fan of the bassist. I think they could have left "And Sadness Will Sear" and "This World Can't Tear Us Apart" off the album, though. They sound like songs to appeal to the young emo TRL crowd to me. There are two b-sides for this album, "Vengeance" and "Broken One," which I think are killer (and will likely end up on the inevitable Roadrunner reissue), that are far better than the other two songs.

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I certainly hear some of the Metallica influence people are talking
about, but I certainly don't hear it as a carbon copy of "Master of
Puppets" that many are saying. Even the vocals, which are slightly
similar to Hetfield, aren't really a copy. Heafy's style is quite
different from Hetfield, even if he does have similar qualities in
tone.

That's just a reason for people to complain. They don't sound any more like Metallica than countless other metal bands. The Metallica comments are just a way for people to discredit the band. I think "Contempt Breeds Contamination" sounds like a Nevermore song. Just saying. Haha.

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However, why they are so popular is beyond me. They are
no better, and in fact aren't nearly as enjoyable as about 1,000 other
bands with half of Trivium's success. I guess they are just a 'buzz'
band right now with the teenage mall crowd.

Right time. Right place. They were signed right after they released their first demo. They were like 17 years old. I think that fact is important when judging their early stuff. What young kid musician didn't emulate his favorite bands or what was popular at the time? But regardless, they're just one of those decent bands that found themselves in the right place at the right time, and they rode that metalcore wave to success. I think they'll continue on down a more traditional metal road from now on. They're still really young.

ultmetal wrote:

LOL! There is a cuss filter on the board. Anytime anyone uses the word S H I T, the filter puts in smurf poo.

I love saying S H I T.

i like em, they have lots of potential if they manage to survive

I like them well enough. I saw them on a little package tour a few years ago with Eyes of Fire, Danzig and a couple other bands. Waited around after the show to talk to some of the band members and get some stuff signed.

Of the 4-5 bands there Matt Heafy was the only one to come out in the harsh winter cold and snow of Cleveland. He was bringing everyone outside free drinks, signing autographs and chatting with anyone who wanted to talk. Danzig's tour manager kept insisting that Danzig and Tommy Victor (Prong, but playing in Danzig that tour) were going to come out and sign autographs but after more than an hour of waiting around (yep, in the cold and snow) they decided they were not going to do it.

So regardless of what anyone has to say about Trivium I have respect for Matt because he was so kind to everyone there and really helped put a little light in the disappointment of those who there to get Danzig to sign some stuff.

I like that they put out a good, old-school, ripping instrumental at the end of the cd. Reminds me of Flotzilla, Orion and Into the Lungs of Hell. I'd love to hear more bands do that these days (Metallica, I'm looking at you).

That's really cool. I love when musicians dispell that notion that they're all jerkoffs! Haha.

And Eyes Of Fire is a killer band!

I'm downloading all their albums right now to give a proper listen before I judge them.

But really, you only have to put a little effort into searching to find new music... personally I don't need to look for newer music right now because i'm still finding bands from the 70s/80s that are new to me.

By the way, do they still use the horrible vocals on their old songs live today?

Upon a review of The Crusade, I may buy this one. In the download their demo was also listenable, it has metalcore vocals... but I diden't get annoyed with them like I usually do.

Chairman_Smith wrote:

By the way, do they still use the horrible vocals on their old songs live today?

From what I saw a while back, the guitarist does those old kind of vocals, and he sounds better. Also, a lot of the older songs are sung more on Heafy's new aggressive, non-screamo style.

Gave "The Crusade" a last chance spin on the way to work this morning. This band just doesn't do it for me. Time to trade it off.

I don't know what it is. I don't think the vocals are "bad" but they sure do lack charisma and I don't think th band knows how to write a good hook. Musicianship is awesome. Some of the guitar solos are very cool. I dig those sweeps. Production is outstanding. I just wish they would write better songs with more hook and perhaps a bit more variety in the tempo.

I saw these guys open for Maiden over the weekend. I wasn't terribly impressed, and neither was much of the audience.

Fat Freddy wrote:

I saw these guys open for Maiden over the weekend. I wasn't terribly impressed, and neither was much of the audience.

The thing is, they are terribly popular. I was at Wal-Mart the other day and there was this car in the parking lot with a HUGE Trivium logo painted on the back window.

ultmetal wrote:

The thing is, they are terribly popular.

So isn't Miley Cyrus.

ultmetal wrote:

Fat Freddy wrote:

I saw these guys open for Maiden over the weekend. I wasn't terribly impressed, and neither was much of the audience.

The thing is, they are terribly popular. I was at Wal-Mart the other day and there was this car in the parking lot with a HUGE Trivium logo painted on the back window.

Oh don't get me wrong, there were some people at the Maiden gig who were getting off on Trivium, but they were few and far between. Everybody else was treating them like they were just an obstacle they had to get thru in order for Maiden to play. They didn't get boo'd or bottles thrown at them or anything, but they didn't get much crowd reaction at all. At the end of their set, the Trivium vocalist was like "Thank you New Jersey, you've been great!" and my friends and I were like "He's lying." haha.

ultmetal wrote:

Gave "The Crusade" a last chance spin on the way to work this morning. This band just doesn't do it for me. Time to trade it off.

I don't know what it is. I don't think the vocals are "bad" but they sure do lack charisma and I don't think th band knows how to write a good hook. Musicianship is awesome. Some of the guitar solos are very cool. I dig those sweeps. Production is outstanding. I just wish they would write better songs with more hook and perhaps a bit more variety in the tempo.

New cd is coming out and with every Trivium release i will give it a few spins. They have said that they are going away from that sound that makes people think they are a copy cat band. I like a lot of Triviums songs just because of the music. If they had the killer hook they would be one great band. I thought Matt did a great job on the crusade at writing some hooks...

Vocals are terrible. But I like their thrashier songs but I dont really listen to them

I can't quite understand the complaints about The Crusade. I think it's a great album. Sure, I can dig on people simply not liking it. But all these complaints about the vocals baffle me. He's not better than most, but he's surely not worse than most. He's right there with the bulk of the metal vocalists of the world.

I agree that his screaming was tough on the ears, but the stuff on The Crusade is great. Fits the music perfectly fine.

Eyesore wrote:

I can't quite understand the complaints about The Crusade. I think it's a great album. Sure, I can dig on people simply not liking it. But all these complaints about the vocals baffle me. He's not better than most, but he's surely not worse than most. He's right there with the bulk of the metal vocalists of the world.

I agree that his screaming was tough on the ears, but the stuff on The Crusade is great. Fits the music perfectly fine.

I think Matt has some great clean and thrash vocals. I much prefer his singing to thrash then lets say Leif Jensen from Dew Scented even though i love that band...

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I agree that his screaming was tough on the ears, but the stuff on The Crusade is great. Fits the music perfectly fine.

I agree. I'm willing to give the new one a listen. I liked The Crusade allot, but from what I've read, they're bringing back more of the harsh vocals which I don't care for.

MetalGuy71 wrote:

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I agree that his screaming was tough on the ears, but the stuff on The Crusade is great. Fits the music perfectly fine.

I agree. I'm willing to give the new one a listen. I liked The Crusade allot, but from what I've read, they're bringing back more of the harsh vocals which I don't care for.

Oh? That's unfortunate. Unless he's somehow learned to scream from his gut rather than his throat, which I think was his previous issue.

I think for a very young band, they do a great job with what they are trying to do. However, their youth is what is holding them back I think. I think older metal heads don't like them becuase they are young, and younger metal heads don't like them because they sould like older metal. In short, I think Trivium were born too late.

I like them. I don't LOVE them by any means, but they are good at what they do, and really don't get the credit they deserve.

I actually dig Trivium. Though their first (big label) release was pretty much metalcore, I like it. You can hear the musical talent in there. I'm not a fan of metalcore really (an album here or there I can stomach, but on the whole...I'll pass) but that one really sticks out to me. The Crusade is a step in the right direction.

With some tweeks here and there, I think they really could release a whale of a thrash album. I'll get the new one once it comes out, no hesitation.

As much as I want to like these guys I cant. Its metalcore which goes against everything I believe in, I will say they have extreme talent in some places like guitars and clean vocals (I mean quality within the emo standard).

I own Acendency, but havent heard any of the other albums. Everyone I talk to says they are metallica clones on the latter ones so I think my research on the band is going to end if thats true.

i cant wait for their new album Shogun in September it should be cool