Rockstar Movie Soundtrack!!

corplhicks wrote:

The original content was really good and helped the pretty horrible movie. Other than that, I'm still wondering why they didn't have Priest on the soundtrack when the movie was somewhat based on them?

 Actually the movie was originally called Metal God & based up on the life of Ripper Owens. Judas Priest found out & told the producers of the film that they would be sued if they filmed the movie and called it that. Appraintly they didn't like the way Rob Halford was portrayed. So some things were changed to make Priest happy. Of course the name. 

I love this movie & soundtrack.    

Well, one could argue that Mr. Holland was a pedestrian cliche-driven project that succeeded because of two things: 1. acting and 2. the music itself, which was phenom (even the standards like Imagine worked well). If you watch the movie, there's nothing special regarding the photography, staging, grouping, or timing of shots. But what works is a very convincing and heartfelt Dreyfuss, emotionally tense Glenne Headly as his wife, and even the actor who played adult Cole was spot-on. And, like I said, the score and soundtrack were just great (I still recall the actual Opus after five years, thank you Michael Kamen). Maybe the stars--no pun intended--lined up for that film, whereas Rock Star had little to nothing going for it, especially being a wildly different style (classical music changing kids lives vs. 1980's rock hedonism).

I enjoy the movie, save for the lame ending.

I love the song "We All Die Young"!!

kmorg wrote:

I love the song "We All Die Young"!!

 Written by Twiggy Ramerez of Marilyn Manson fame.

bass63 wrote:

kmorg wrote:

I love the song "We All Die Young"!!

 Written by Twiggy Ramerez of Marilyn Manson fame.

?? I thought it was a Steelheart song originally? Or was it just that Milosovich dudes solo thing?

kmorg wrote:

bass63 wrote:

kmorg wrote:

I love the song "We All Die Young"!!

 Written by Twiggy Ramerez of Marilyn Manson fame.

?? I thought it was a Steelheart song originally? Or was it just that Milosovich dudes solo thing?

 Written by Ramerez Performed by Milosovich on vocals. Zakk Wylde Jason Bonham & Jeff Pilson did the music for Steel Dragon. Some songs were sung by Jeff Scott Soto.

I liked the movie and the soundtrack. I thought the ending was perfect...tons of 80s bands went for the Seattle sound in the end  

brokentulsa wrote:

I liked the movie and the soundtrack. I thought the ending was perfect...tons of 80s bands went for the Seattle sound in the end  

Dude. Common knowledge dictates that the bands that went in that direction failed horribly and washed up. This movie pretends like it was a better move, like the light at the end of the debauchery tunnel was re-branding yourself for the current trend, and it wasn't.

In fact, I think that's what I hate about the movie; it seems to have this typical Sunday-sermon message that the 80's rock/metal scene was an immoral cesspool that wasn't as grand as it seems. My mom told me the same damn thing while I was growing up. Metal is bad, coffee-shop lullabies are good.

The reality is this movie made a mockery of rock and metal, just like Rock of Ages did, and does nothing to promote the genre.

Personally I strongly disagree that this film made a mockery of heavy metal(I don't believe Rock Of Ages did that either) it never felt like the film was saying rock and roll was a "cesspool" or anything like that and I think it did plenty to promote the genre.  I got the impression that the overall message was that sometimes the people you put up on pedestal aren't necessarily as great as you think they are and that just because they're talented musicians does not mean they should be idolized(Motley Crue being a prime example). I.E. Izzy tries to write his own songs only to get shot down by the band who were only using him for their own means and never really saw him as an "equal" to them(the fact that they let their previous singer go because of his sexuality shows that they're self-centered), and because his previous band did covers of all their songs, it made sense for him to want to go in a different direction with music so he wouldn't have to be reminded of his time with Steel Dragon.  Though if I were the screenwriter, I would've tacked on a bit afterwards where Izzyformed his own metal band and Steel Dragon ends up being his supporting act in a delicious bit of irony.

Yes some of the bands that tried to go Grunge failed miserably(I.E. Guardian with Buzz and Bottle Rocket) though some of those efforts were quite good(I.E. Motley Crue's self-titled album) and you can't really blame the bands for wanting to try something different.

Another film with a similar plot that I enjoyed was "The Rocker" with Rainn Wilson, anyone on here seen that film?  Shame that it bombed even worse then Rock Star did, I guess movies about rock music just aren't a big box-office draw(School Of Rock being the lone exception, and that was mostly because of Jack Black)

bass63 wrote:

kmorg wrote:

bass63 wrote:

kmorg wrote:

I love the song "We All Die Young"!!

 Written by Twiggy Ramerez of Marilyn Manson fame.

?? I thought it was a Steelheart song originally? Or was it just that Milosovich dudes solo thing?

 Written by Ramerez Performed by Milosovich on vocals. Zakk Wylde Jason Bonham & Jeff Pilson did the music for Steel Dragon. Some songs were sung by Jeff Scott Soto.

But the song pre-dates the movie, right? The versions are slighlty different, but I have heard it done by Steelheart also.

80's metal made a mockery out of 80's metal, not some film maker who observed the absurdity of it all.

He started writing in a more grunge style in the end because that was what followed 80's metal. The real point was that he had started to write songs that were meaningful to him again, rediscovering himself after achieving his dream of becoming the guy he had idolised for years and realising that it wasn't him, it wasn't the life he wanted.

I fail to see how anything in that movie is exaggerated from what being in a big 80's metal band was like, there have been enough biographies now to suggest that if anything, 'Steel Dragons' were a bit tame.

Boris2008 wrote:

80's metal made a mockery out of 80's metal, not some film maker who observed the absurdity of it all.

He started writing in a more grunge style in the end because that was what followed 80's metal. The real point was that he had started to write songs that were meaningful to him again, rediscovering himself after   achieving his dream of becoming the guy he had idolised for years and realising that it wasn't him, it wasn't the life he wanted.

I fail to see how anything in that movie is exaggerated from what being in a big 80's metal band was like, there have been enough biographies now to suggest that if anything, 'Steel Dragons' were a bit tame.

Exactly, the film would've felt flat out dishonest if it didn't delve into the seedier aspects of the rock and roll lifestyle, you can't pretend that they didn't exist. What happened in the film is nothing compared to what happened in real life with bands like Motley Crue, "The Dirt" is a real eye-opener to anyone even considering getting into that life. Speaking of which I wonder how succesful the film adaption of "The Dirt" will be.

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Speaking of which I wonder how succesful the film adaption of "The Dirt" will be.

I hope you're not holding your breath waiting for it cuz the film version has been back-burnered for quite some time now and most likely will never be made.

Fat Freddy wrote:

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Speaking of which I wonder how succesful the film adaption of "The Dirt" will be.

I hope you're not holding your breath waiting for it cuz the film version has been back-burnered for quite some time now and most likely will never be made.

Yeah I heard something like that and i'm not surprised. Still would be nice to see though.

The only way they could accurately portray the mayhem in that book would be to turn it into an eight-hour XXX-rated mini series costing 200 million dollars.

Lots to say here, I don't have the energy so I'll try to cover some basic points.

-Steel Dragon were depicted as a heavy metal band with decent music, not a derivative pop metal band.

-Corabi's Crue was a critical and commercial failure. I love it, and it seems to have a cult following, but it was hated because, well, the music was compromised.

-Very few metal bands who went grunge succeeded in the market, and with their fans. This wasn't good news for the bands since they had a mortgage to pay.

-To say that he had to start writing music that was honest to himself is to say that the music I listen to and sometimes write at my age is dishonest. The movie accidentally makes a dichotomy between two genres. You're right about the message, but the creators chose to turn their crux into a deus ex machina, contriving mellow music to operate as the symbol of his happiness. Why does grunge music have to be more transcendent and meaningful than hard rock and metal?

-Yes, the movie shows the carnal realm of the period. That's not my problem. My problem is that they made a moral plug out of it, and everyone knows that it was 24-hr self destruction. The movie was overly preachy about all of this.

-80's metal did make a mockery out of itself. But that's all this current generation tends to focus on. Everyone I knew who saw that movie confirmed my 'absurdity' in listening to the best music out there. It turned no one on to the genre in my vicinity. Same with the disgusting Rock of Ages (don't get me started on that one). For once, I'd like to see a complex and layered movie about that era of music, not some one-dimensional caricaturist farce. Rock Star has nothing good to say about the heavy metal music of the 1980's.

-At some point we have to ask ourselves why Rob Halford, who saw it all and bought the jacket, thought the movie sucked (his words).

corplhicks wrote:

-80's metal did make a mockery out of itself. But that's all this current generation tends to focus on. Everyone I knew who saw that movie confirmed my 'absurdity' in listening to the best music out there. It turned no one on to the genre in my vicinity. Same with the disgusting Rock of Ages (don't get me started on that one). For once, I'd like to see a complex and layered movie about that era of music, not some one-dimensional caricaturist farce. Rock Star has nothing good to say about the heavy metal music of the 1980's.

The 80s in general (not just heavy metal) are ripe for mockery, it was an intensely silly decade. People in the 80s laughed at the hippie movement, people in the 90s laughed at ridiculous glam metal bands, people in the 00s laughed at the angst-ridden flannel-wearers from Seattle...every generation is going to initially look at prior generations with derision, it's just part of the process.

There is a lot of music I listened to in the 80s that I would never listen to now, probably over 80% of it. The person I am at age 42 doesn't have much in common with the 16 year old version of myself. I get nostalgic for the 80s on occasion, but that is happening less and less as the years go by. That goes for music, movies and TV shows from that era.

The 80's was the decade that just did waaaaayyyy too much coke! This is reflected in just about everything about the decade.

I don't think the film was trying to say necessarily that grunge was more "meaningful" then hard rock and metal, just that Chris wanted to move in a different direction since he'd been playing covers of a metal band whose members turned out to be very selfish and did not want to remind himself of that.

I can fully understand why Halford didn't like it, but that's just one man's opinion, and his opinion is NOT a fact, just because he didn't like it dosen't automatically mean everyone else should ask themselves why. We all know the answer-the filmmakers tried to use his story without permission and portrayed him in a negative manner (and i'm sure he was pretty pissed at the film hinting at the reason for the band's break-up was his sexuality).

I don't think the current generation only focuses on the mockery at all, the video game Brutal Legend was a love letter to heavy metal and did very well, too bad it probably will never get a sequel.  I've seen countless Youtube comments from people my age and younger who say things like "80s metal is so much better then the crap that's popular today" or something like that(I really don't see how Rock Of Ages was "disgusting" at all either, I thought the covers in that film were actually pretty good).  I don't see how the film was a "caricaturistic farce" or anything like that, it wasn't saying "80s metal is bad", to me it was saying that while the music was good, the musicians themselves were not always so nice people in reality, and that's the truth.  There are many talented musicians that I would never want to meet with personally because of how unpleasant they are in person(Ted Nugent being a prime example)

I really don't see how you got the impression that the film was trying to make a "moral plug" out of anything, I never got the impression at all, the film was just showing the reality of the risks associated with the lifestyle and that not everyone is cut out for it.  There was no moral preaching going on or anything like that, just Chris realizing that the lifestyle looks appealing on the surface but has a dark undercurrent that he wants no part of.

I love 80s music and everything, but I get the impression that if I had actually grown up in the 80s I might not like some of the music as much as I do now.

Vexer6 wrote:

I can fully understand why Halford didn't like it, but that's just one man's opinion, and his opinion is NOT a fact, just because he didn't like it dosen't automatically mean everyone else should ask themselves why. We all know the answer-the filmmakers tried to use his story without permission and portrayed him in a negative manner (and i'm sure he was pretty pissed at the film hinting at the reason for the band's break-up was his sexuality).

Are you for real?! Of course it's fact because he lived the life and his opinion is the movie is pure Hollywood imagination. Total fantasy, not a credible glimpse into the industry by any stretch. Ripper Owens hated it as well. The reason I bring them up is because they lived the life, and this film misrepresents that life/lifestyle, which is what we should be sick of in general.

Halford's opinion is more credible than the average Joe. C'mon. If you're sick, are you gonna see a doctor or a fan of the doctor.

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I don't see how the film was a "caricaturistic farce" or anything like that, it wasn't saying "80s metal is bad", to me it was saying that while the music was good, the musicians themselves were not always so nice people in reality, and that's the truth.

Not so true. The bigwigs, yes. The artists, no. There was a ton of camaraderie amongst artists in the 80's. There were also feuds and scandals and singers killing band members whilst driving drunk, but that's how family goes, especially the more eccentric families. Some were nice, some were introverted (which is a completely different thing than being rude), and some were rude, or assholes.

The movie's point was that 80's rock and metal was a synthetic cloak with nothing but the basic functions of sleaze and excess commanding the entrails. The protagonist was never true to himself because he indulged in a synthesized component of music. When he minimized his conceits to achieve a more 'organic' approach, a denouement was met. It's the basic formula of the coming-of-age concept, no different than a thousand other templates before it. Youth finds glory in destruction, grows up and yearns for cohesion after innocence is threatened. A growing awareness of wisdom deconstructs what was once familiar.

Again, even if nothing bad was said about the music, nothing good was shown either. So either you have a neutral movie, which you can't because you would eliminate conflict, or you have a movie optioning an unfair syntax.

corplhicks wrote:

Vexer6 wrote:

I can fully understand why Halford didn't like it, but that's just one man's opinion, and his opinion is NOT a fact, just because he didn't like it dosen't automatically mean everyone else should ask themselves why. We all know the answer-the filmmakers tried to use his story without permission and portrayed him in a negative manner (and i'm sure he was pretty pissed at the film hinting at the reason for the band's break-up was his sexuality).

Are you for real?! Of course it's fact because he lived the life and his opinion is the movie is pure Hollywood imagination. Total fantasy, not a credible glimpse into the industry by any stretch. Ripper Owens hated it as well. The reason I bring them up is because they lived the life, and this film misrepresents that life/lifestyle, which is what we should be sick of in general.

Halford's opinion is more credible than the average Joe. C'mon. If you're sick, are you gonna see a doctor or a fan of the doctor.

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I don't see how the film was a "caricaturistic farce" or anything like that, it wasn't saying "80s metal is bad", to me it was saying that while the music was good, the musicians themselves were not always so nice people in reality, and that's the truth.

Not so true. The bigwigs, yes. The artists, no. There was a ton of camaraderie amongst artists in the 80's. There were also feuds and scandals and singers killing band members whilst driving drunk, but that's how family goes, especially the more eccentric families. Some were nice, some were introverted (which is a completely different thing than being rude), and some were rude, or assholes.

The movie's point was that 80's rock and metal was a synthetic cloak with nothing but the basic functions of sleaze and excess commanding the entrails. The protagonist was never true to himself because he indulged in a synthesized component of music. When he minimized his conceits to achieve a more 'organic' approach, a denouement was met. It's the basic formula of the coming-of-age concept, no different than a thousand other templates before it. Youth finds glory in destruction, grows up and yearns for cohesion after innocence is threatened. A growing awareness of wisdom deconstructs what was once familiar.

Again, even if nothing bad was said about the music, nothing good was shown either. So either you have a neutral movie, which you can't because you would eliminate conflict, or you have a movie optioning an unfair syntax.

It does not "misrepresent" the lifestyle, perhaps it's not accurate to the one that Priest themselves experienced, but certainly you can't call the portrayal in the film farfetched, I think it is a "credible" enough glimpse, it's just relatively tame in comparison to what bands like Guns N Roses went through. I didn't see the film saying anything about rock and metal being a "synthetic cloak" (whatever the hell that means)

I think it's ridiculous to say that one's opinion is automatically "more credible" then someone else's just cause they're a celebrity. Halford and Ripper lived the life and didn't think the film accurately represented it, which is understandable, but to me that dosen't anecessarily make their opinions any more "credible" then mine or anyone else's.

The "doctor" comparison is total nonsense, it's a doctor's job to save lives so of course you're going to want their opinion, but opinions in regards to entertainment are completely different and not even in the same ballpark, I think doctors would be insulted at such a comparison. I'm pretty sure there are some metal artists who actually did like the film, would that make them less credible then Halford or Ripper?

The artists may have been tight with each other, but that dosen't make their actions any less reprehensible(Vince Neil killing Razzle while drunk driving and basically getting off scot-free, sure he claimed to regret it, but then he got a DUI in Vegas 2 years back, so I wonder how much "regret" he really had)or make them look any better as individuals.

I enjoyed the movie, I enjoy the soundtrack. It's a movie, made in Hollywood. I don't really think about it on a deeper level than that. I don't watch movies for the "social commentary" angle, nor do I particularly care about it all that much. If I like a movie and the masses do not, nice, conversely, if I happen to enjoy a movie that does well, right on. If I don't like the movie then that is pretty much the end of the conversation.

I will say the Marky-Mark is one of my favorite actors, along side Cary Grant, Morgan Freeman, Tommy Lee Jones and a few others. They all, for the most part, choose good movies to be involved with.

jettafiend wrote:

I enjoyed the movie, I enjoy the soundtrack. It's a movie, made in Hollywood. I don't really think about it on a deeper level than that. I don't watch movies for the "social commentary" angle, nor do I particularly care about it all that much. If I like a movie and the masses do not, nice, conversely, if I happen to enjoy a movie that does well, right on. If I don't like the movie then that is pretty much the end of the conversation.

I will say the Marky-Mark is one of my favorite actors, along side Cary Grant, Morgan Freeman, Tommy Lee Jones and a few others. They all, for the most part, choose good movies to be involved with.

Agreed, I don't think most people were expecting a realistic documentary from Rock Star or anything like that, just an entertaining film with a great soundtrack.

I love Wahlberg in pretty much anything, really looking forward to seeing him in 2 Guns with Denzel Washington with weekend.

Vexer6 wrote:

jettafiend wrote:

I enjoyed the movie, I enjoy the soundtrack. It's a movie, made in Hollywood. I don't really think about it on a deeper level than that. I don't watch movies for the "social commentary" angle, nor do I particularly care about it all that much. If I like a movie and the masses do not, nice, conversely, if I happen to enjoy a movie that does well, right on. If I don't like the movie then that is pretty much the end of the conversation.

I will say the Marky-Mark is one of my favorite actors, along side Cary Grant, Morgan Freeman, Tommy Lee Jones and a few others. They all, for the most part, choose good movies to be involved with.

Agreed, I don't think most people were expecting a realistic documentary from Rock Star or anything like that, just an entertaining film with a great soundtrack.

I love Wahlberg in pretty much anything, really looking forward to seeing him in 2 Guns with Denzel Washington with weekend.

It does look quite good. I would love to see Mark-Mark do some more stuff like the Departed tho, with Scorsese. That was a killer flick.