QUEENSRYCHE

Eyesore wrote:

corplhicks wrote:

Boris2008 wrote:

Witchfinder wrote:

Interesting interview with Eddie Jackson over at Bravewords: http://www.bravewords.com/news/203478

Best quote:

Eddie Jackson: “Just to clarify one thing, Geoff wrote a majority of the vocals and anything related to vocals, but no music.”

So isn't that them just accepting the blame for the band's musical decline since Degarmo left?

Bullseye.

Bullseye...if you're retarded.

He would be accepting the blame, but the truth is Geoff threw a hissy fit and refused to work on any of the Jackson/Rockenfield/WIlton material and hired Jason Slater and Kelly Grey to write all the music.

thejokeriv wrote:

He would be accepting the blame, but the truth is Geoff threw a hissy fit and refused to work on any of the Jackson/Rockenfield/WIlton material and hired Jason Slater and Kelly Grey to write all the music.

Looks like "Tribe" was the last album with any significant contribution from the other guys (though they each have a couple credits per album over the last couple releases). Did DeGarmo actually get together and write material for Tribe or was it left over material from his earlier time with the band?

S.D. wrote:

thejokeriv wrote:

He would be accepting the blame, but the truth is Geoff threw a hissy fit and refused to work on any of the Jackson/Rockenfield/WIlton material and hired Jason Slater and Kelly Grey to write all the music.

Looks like "Tribe" was the last album with any significant contribution from the other guys (though they each have a couple credits per album over the last couple releases). Did DeGarmo actually get together and write material for Tribe or was it left over material from his earlier time with the band?

No, they were new tunes at the time. He had a couple tunes he felt might fit well with Queensryche, so he came in and contributed a few songs.

Unfortunately I don't think they were up to the same standard compared to his contributions when he was with the band.

Eyesore wrote:

corplhicks wrote:

Boris2008 wrote:

Witchfinder wrote:

Interesting interview with Eddie Jackson over at Bravewords: http://www.bravewords.com/news/203478

Best quote:

Eddie Jackson: “Just to clarify one thing, Geoff wrote a majority of the vocals and anything related to vocals, but no music.”

So isn't that them just accepting the blame for the band's musical decline since Degarmo left?

Bullseye.

Bullseye...if you're retarded.

Eyesore wrote:

S.D. wrote:

thejokeriv wrote:

He would be accepting the blame, but the truth is Geoff threw a hissy fit and refused to work on any of the Jackson/Rockenfield/WIlton material and hired Jason Slater and Kelly Grey to write all the music.

Looks like "Tribe" was the last album with any significant contribution from the other guys (though they each have a couple credits per album over the last couple releases). Did DeGarmo actually get together and write material for Tribe or was it left over material from his earlier time with the band?

No, they were new tunes at the time. He had a couple tunes he felt might fit well with Queensryche, so he came in and contributed a few songs.

Unfortunately I don't think they were up to the same standard compared to his contributions when he was with the band.

Yep, I would agree 100%.... Better than Q2K, but not up to the old standards. There are some good songs on Tribe. Supposedly he was going to tour with the band as well, but according to the court docs, when it came time to do the vocal melodies, DeGarmo showed up at the studio to work on vocal melodies (as he had in the past) and Tate told him that his "services where no longer required." DeGarmo said F it and never looked back. He was paid around 60k for his services.

corplhicks wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

corplhicks wrote:

Boris2008 wrote:

Witchfinder wrote:

Interesting interview with Eddie Jackson over at Bravewords: http://www.bravewords.com/news/203478

Best quote:

Eddie Jackson: “Just to clarify one thing, Geoff wrote a majority of the vocals and anything related to vocals, but no music.”

So isn't that them just accepting the blame for the band's musical decline since Degarmo left?

Bullseye.

Bullseye...if you're retarded.

See below.

thejokeriv wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Bullseye...if you're retarded.

He would be accepting the blame, but the truth is Geoff threw a hissy fit and refused to work on any of the Jackson/Rockenfield/WIlton material and hired Jason Slater and Kelly Grey to write all the music.

Isn't it time for these guys to release another song?

I've only listened to the previous one 3 times and had no urge to listen to it again. But they said the album has a lot of different-sounding stuff so maybe some of the rest will grab me.

They really need some good guitar riffs to pull me in and that last one had none.

It was like....guitar sound. But not really...a progression of any kind that helps lead the song, whether it be harmony or big fat riff or whatever.

Orion Crystal Ice wrote:

It was like....guitar sound. But not really...a progression of any kind that helps lead the song, whether it be harmony or big fat riff or whatever.

Right, exactly.

I mean, this guy has written some good riffs in the past, right?

Maybe his writing really has been on cruise control for decades like Tate alleges.

I think "Redemption" is a great song.

Eyesore wrote:

I think "Redemption" is a great song.

Because of the guitar riffs or is 95% of the appeal in the vocals?

Temple of Blood wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

I think "Redemption" is a great song.

Because of the guitar riffs or is 95% of the appeal in the vocals?

I think people have been enamored with "Redemption" because of Todd's vocals and the fact that it at least tries to sound like what they want/hope Queensryche to be. But in reality (my reality, anyway) it's no better than "Cold"...both are decent/good songs but nothing amazing.

Temple of Blood wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

I think "Redemption" is a great song.

Because of the guitar riffs or is 95% of the appeal in the vocals?

Because of the song, everything as a whole. I don't pick out individual parts of a multi-part thing and then base judgment on that single aspect. As a whole, as a complete song, I really dig it.

Eyesore wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

I think "Redemption" is a great song.

Because of the guitar riffs or is 95% of the appeal in the vocals?

Because of the song, everything as a whole. I don't pick out individual parts of a multi-part thing and then base judgment on that single aspect. As a whole, as a complete song, I really dig it.

This

Eyesore wrote:

I think "Redemption" is a great song.

I do too.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

I think "Redemption" is a great song.

Because of the guitar riffs or is 95% of the appeal in the vocals?

I think people have been enamored with "Redemption" because of Todd's vocals and the fact that it at least tries to sound like what they want/hope Queensryche to be. But in reality (my reality, anyway) it's no better than "Cold"...both are decent/good songs but nothing amazing.

I have to agree with this statement, I am not impressed with the song as I had hoped to be. Overall without hearing another song off the album, I am sure it is going to be a good album, but both Queensryches are going to have a hard time competing with their own legacy.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

I think "Redemption" is a great song.

Because of the guitar riffs or is 95% of the appeal in the vocals?

I think people have been enamored with "Redemption" because of Todd's vocals and the fact that it at least tries to sound like what they want/hope Queensryche to be. But in reality (my reality, anyway) it's no better than "Cold"...both are decent/good songs but nothing amazing.

Well said.

manny wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

I think "Redemption" is a great song.

Because of the guitar riffs or is 95% of the appeal in the vocals?

I think people have been enamored with "Redemption" because of Todd's vocals and the fact that it at least tries to sound like what they want/hope Queensryche to be. But in reality (my reality, anyway) it's no better than "Cold"...both are decent/good songs but nothing amazing.

I have to agree with this statement, I am not impressed with the song as I had hoped to be. Overall without hearing another song off the album, I am sure it is going to be a good album, but both Queensryches are going to have a hard time competing with their own legacy.

The problem with this kind of thinking is that bands shouldn't have to compete with their legacy. Each album should be judged on its own merits.

Eyesore wrote:

manny wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

I think "Redemption" is a great song.

Because of the guitar riffs or is 95% of the appeal in the vocals?

I think people have been enamored with "Redemption" because of Todd's vocals and the fact that it at least tries to sound like what they want/hope Queensryche to be. But in reality (my reality, anyway) it's no better than "Cold"...both are decent/good songs but nothing amazing.

I have to agree with this statement, I am not impressed with the song as I had hoped to be. Overall without hearing another song off the album, I am sure it is going to be a good album, but both Queensryches are going to have a hard time competing with their own legacy.

The problem with this kind of thinking is that bands shouldn't have to compete with their legacy. Each album should be judged on its own merits.

I don't disagree, but what should be and what is are two different things entirely. Everyone, everywhere competes with their own history...especially in art. People will always draw comparisons to whatever their favorite stuff is...that's the measuring stick.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

I don't disagree, but what should be and what is are two different things entirely. Everyone, everywhere competes with their own history...especially in art. People will always draw comparisons to whatever their favorite stuff is...that's the measuring stick.

Not to mention that all music regardless of style is competing for your eardrums.
There are only so many hours in a day to listen to music and bands are fighting for people to share their music with.

When a band comes out and says that they are making a record that sounds like the old stuff, you have every right to compare it with the old stuff. Same with the stuff that I've heard for Supercollider. If Dave hadn't said that it had a 'KIMB' vibe, I might hate it less.

Eyesore wrote:

manny wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

I think "Redemption" is a great song.

Because of the guitar riffs or is 95% of the appeal in the vocals?

I think people have been enamored with "Redemption" because of Todd's vocals and the fact that it at least tries to sound like what they want/hope Queensryche to be. But in reality (my reality, anyway) it's no better than "Cold"...both are decent/good songs but nothing amazing.

I have to agree with this statement, I am not impressed with the song as I had hoped to be. Overall without hearing another song off the album, I am sure it is going to be a good album, but both Queensryches are going to have a hard time competing with their own legacy.

The problem with this kind of thinking is that bands shouldn't have to compete with their legacy. Each album should be judged on its own merits.

I agree that each album should be judged by its own merits, but that rarely happens, and also when both versions claim that this is a return to form, the Queensryche you remember returning to their metal roots, you are inviting competition with your own past.

Boris2008 wrote:

When a band comes out and says that they are making a record that sounds like the old stuff, you have every right to compare it with the old stuff. Same with the stuff that I've heard for Supercollider. If Dave hadn't said that it had a 'KIMB' vibe, I might hate it less.

I should have read this posting before I responded, because I agree with Boris. Both versions are going on and on how its a return to their roots.

28 pages. Jesus.