Any VIXEN fans with deep pockets out there?

EmoElmo wrote:

So if the 'begging' doesn't materialize or even reach at least half the expected target amount, what are they gonna do with the money?

They don't actually "charge" anyone unless the amount is met. So if they don't achieve their goal, they dont' take anybody's money.

EmoElmo wrote:

So if the 'begging' doesn't materialize or even reach at least half the expected target amount, what are they gonna do with the money?

They don't get any money unless they meet the goal

EmoElmo wrote:

So if the 'begging' doesn't materialize or even reach at least half the expected target amount, what are they gonna do with the money?

The Kickstarter thing works like a trust. A band sets up a desired goal. The momey is kept by Kickstarter till either goal is reached or not. If goal is reached , the band gets funds. If not, money is returned to donaters.

I still think it is a lame way to finanace a recording

Is this a good time for me to try and sell my "Rev It Up" CD here ?

kmorg wrote:

Is this a good time for me to try and sell my "Rev It Up" CD here ?

Sorry, already got it.

kmorg wrote:

Is this a good time for me to try and sell my "Rev It Up" CD here ?

are you going to donate the $.50 to their new project?

exact33 wrote:

kmorg wrote:

Is this a good time for me to try and sell my "Rev It Up" CD here ?

are you going to donate the $.50 to their new project?

exact33 wrote:

kmorg wrote:

Is this a good time for me to try and sell my "Rev It Up" CD here ?

are you going to donate the $.50 to their new project?

James B. wrote:

EmoElmo wrote:

So if the 'begging' doesn't materialize or even reach at least half the expected target amount, what are they gonna do with the money?

The Kickstarter thing works like a trust. A band sets up a desired goal. The momey is kept by Kickstarter till either goal is reached or not. If goal is reached , the band gets funds. If not, money is returned to donaters.

I still think it is a lame way to finanace a recording

Does Kickstarter take a percentage of the funds raised, like ebay or something? And who's responsible for sending out the refunds if the goal isn't met? Will Kickstarter refund the money directly to you (slightly less after their take) or is it the responsibility of the band/fundraiser to admit failure and give money back?

I could see this getting complicated.

If the goal isn't met, nobody's credit card is charged...you pay no money unless the goal is met.

Now, if the goal is met, your card is charged, and then the band can't make it happen, then what?

kmorg wrote:

Is this a good time for me to try and sell my "Rev It Up" CD here ?

If you try, I hope you have better luck than I did. I tried to trade off a copy of that CD around here for well over a year before I finally ditched it at a yard sale.

Well, they broke $1000...but they need to manage $1068.96 per day now to make their goal...$45 more than what they currently have.

I love how Shawn is keeping us all up to date with daily figures of how colossally they're failing.

Fat Freddy wrote:

I love how Shawn is keeping us all up to date with daily figures of how colossally they're failing.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

If the goal isn't met, nobody's credit card is charged...you pay no money unless the goal is met.

Now, if the goal is met, your card is charged, and then the band can't make it happen, then what?

Yea, do the bands offer any guarantee of a working time frame? Let's say they raise the money, but nothing happens over the course of 6 months or even a year? The band offers all kinds of excuses, but still no album? At what point do the fans that donated get to start sueing?

I just see this whole Kickstarter thing doing more harm than good in the longrun.

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

If the goal isn't met, nobody's credit card is charged...you pay no money unless the goal is met.

Now, if the goal is met, your card is charged, and then the band can't make it happen, then what?

Yea, do the bands offer any guarantee of a working time frame? Let's say they raise the money, but nothing happens over the course of 6 months or even a year? The band offers all kinds of excuses, but still no album? At what point do the fans that donated get to start sueing?

I just see this whole Kickstarter thing doing more harm than good in the longrun.

i think it will slow down too now that some of them are not making the goals. I think though that this goal was really really out in left field money-wise (and music-wise too...) which really ought to help bands be realistic with what they really need.

exact33 wrote:

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

If the goal isn't met, nobody's credit card is charged...you pay no money unless the goal is met.

Now, if the goal is met, your card is charged, and then the band can't make it happen, then what?

Yea, do the bands offer any guarantee of a working time frame? Let's say they raise the money, but nothing happens over the course of 6 months or even a year? The band offers all kinds of excuses, but still no album? At what point do the fans that donated get to start sueing?

I just see this whole Kickstarter thing doing more harm than good in the longrun.

i think it will slow down too now that some of them are not making the goals. I think though that this goal was really really out in left field money-wise (and music-wise too...) which really ought to help bands be realistic with what they really need.

They could make a record for half that or less then license it to some label, I'm sure.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

exact33 wrote:

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

If the goal isn't met, nobody's credit card is charged...you pay no money unless the goal is met.

Now, if the goal is met, your card is charged, and then the band can't make it happen, then what?

Yea, do the bands offer any guarantee of a working time frame? Let's say they raise the money, but nothing happens over the course of 6 months or even a year? The band offers all kinds of excuses, but still no album? At what point do the fans that donated get to start sueing?

I just see this whole Kickstarter thing doing more harm than good in the longrun.

i think it will slow down too now that some of them are not making the goals. I think though that this goal was really really out in left field money-wise (and music-wise too...) which really ought to help bands be realistic with what they really need.

They could make a record for half that or less then license it to some label, I'm sure.

which kinda surprises me that they set the bar so high. I would think if they are serious about making new music they would be a tad bit more realistic.

exact33 wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

exact33 wrote:

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

If the goal isn't met, nobody's credit card is charged...you pay no money unless the goal is met.

Now, if the goal is met, your card is charged, and then the band can't make it happen, then what?

Yea, do the bands offer any guarantee of a working time frame? Let's say they raise the money, but nothing happens over the course of 6 months or even a year? The band offers all kinds of excuses, but still no album? At what point do the fans that donated get to start sueing?

I just see this whole Kickstarter thing doing more harm than good in the longrun.

i think it will slow down too now that some of them are not making the goals. I think though that this goal was really really out in left field money-wise (and music-wise too...) which really ought to help bands be realistic with what they really need.

They could make a record for half that or less then license it to some label, I'm sure.

which kinda surprises me that they set the bar so high. I would think if they are serious about making new music they would be a tad bit more realistic.

They may be wanting to record/mix/master & release without a labels involvement at all. But even then, they could record/mix/master & release on iTunes/Amazon MP3 independently for half that amount.

I think the problem is they're a "major label" band and have certain perceptions about what it takes to "do it right". Anything other than that is seen as "a step backwards".

Vixen should use this lack of interest as a barometer of whether they SHOULD record again or not. If you don't get anywhere near your goal, then it's time to get a regular job and forget the music business.

Since it's obvious the general public has forgotten about them.

Vixen probably make ok to good money on those oldies circuit 80's nostalgia tours and festival, but a new album of new material, I think its cool they feel the need to do so, and I am all for it but the support is obviously not there.


I also no rhyme or reason why some artist are supported by fans on kickstart and others are not. On FB that chic who tired out for Rockstar Supernova ( smurf poo band) and sang for L.A. Guns for like 5 minutes, had a kickstart campaign and seemed to have made her goal almost over night, and I donot recall her ever releasing an album, et. Vixen who actually scored a gold album ( granted over a 100 years ago), are still played regularly on VH1 Classics and have name recognition can't even get fans to chip in for a Starbucks coffee.

S.D. wrote:

Vixen should use this lack of interest as a barometer of whether they SHOULD record again or not. If you don't get anywhere near your goal, then it's time to get a regular job and forget the music business.

Since it's obvious the general public has forgotten about them.

yep. But like shawn said, if your used to champagne then beer doesnt really cut it.

I agree with Metalguy. This whole kickstarter thing is a joke! If the bands can't do it themselves, then don't do it! 35,000 dollars is a waste! This band just lost any respect I have ever had for them!!

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This band just lost any respect I have ever had for them!!

And you just lost any respect I had for you by admitting that you once had respect for Vixen.

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Does Kickstarter take a percentage of the funds raised, like ebay or something? And who's responsible for sending out the refunds if the goal isn't met? Will Kickstarter refund the money directly to you (slightly less after their take) or is it the responsibility of the band/fundraiser to admit failure and give money back?

I could see this getting complicated.

Kickstarter works through Amazon payments. If the goal is met, and only then, Amazon charges you for the pledged amount.

Yes, Kickstarter takes 5%, and Amazon payments also charge about the same percentage, so in the end you get 10% less the pledged amount.