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As some have already mentioned, they should just leave well enough alone.










But hey, if they're bored, more power to them.
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A little bit off topic, but does anyone think the whole Scorpions catalogue will be re-released in the near future?
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snooloui wrote:
A little bit off topic, but does anyone think the whole Scorpions catalogue will be re-released in the near future?

Not likely, unless they sign a deal with a new record label that can obtain the rights and re-issue all the old albums. That's allot of albums and legal wrangling, not to mention expense. Certainly not impossible, but not something that a major label is gonna do just outta the blue, especially in his day and age of declining sales.

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MetalGuy71 wrote:
snooloui wrote:
A little bit off topic, but does anyone think the whole Scorpions catalogue will be re-released in the near future?

Not likely, unless they sign a deal with a new record label that can obtain the rights and re-issue all the old albums. That's allot of albums and legal wrangling, not to mention expense. Certainly not impossible, but not something that a major label is gonna do just outta the blue, especially in his day and age of declining sales.

If memory serves, Mercury/Polygram "upgraded" their portion of the Scorps catalog with remasters ten or twelve years ago.

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Did they cover their entire discography? Cause I still have some major gaps in my Scorps 70's collection and some of those are still kinda hard to find and pricey. In Trance comes to mind.

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MetalGuy71 wrote:
Did they cover their entire discography? Cause I still have some major gaps in my Scorps 70's collection and some of those are still kinda hard to find and pricey. In Trance comes to mind.

They were on Mercury/Polygram from ANIMAL MAGNETISM thru FACE THE HEAT (plus the 'contract obligation' LIVE BITES). The stuff prior to that (i.e. the 70s) was on RCA/BMG, and after that they went thru labels like crap thru a goose (Atlantic, Koch, Sanctuary, Universal, and who knows, maybe one or two that I've missed)...

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http://www.amazon.com/Original-Album-Classics-Scorpions/dp/B0030DIP7O


This is the cheapest way to get "In Trance" that I have seen. The CDs come in heavy cardboard sleeves. If you buy CDs for the music and not their resale value, its a great way to go. I have it, and it works great for me.
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Yea, I've eyeballed that set (and some other box sets) from time to time too. I'm still holding out for individual copies to go with the rest of the albums I have.

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Bump for new info.

Album cover for the next Scorps album...Nov. 4th

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No word on what "classics" they've re-recorded yet. I know everyone is dying to hear 'Rock You Like a Hurricane 2011' Razz

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MetalGuy71 wrote:
Bump for new info.

Album cover for the next Scorps album...Nov. 4th

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No word on what "classics" they've re-recorded yet. I know everyone is dying to hear 'Rock You Like a Hurricane 2011' Razz


Damn it, this trend of re-recording your classics needs to stop, Foreigner's new Amazon exclusive album, on disc 2 are Foreigner songs re-recorded with their new vocalist.
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Give the bands a break. It's for licensing and direct royalty...I'm sure Polygram still gets paid too much for the originals. This way, they own these new recordings outright and can do with them what they want in terms of licensing, selling, etc.


Example: there's a new Jason Statham movie coming out using "RYLAH" in the trailer on TV...it's obviously Scorpions but it's obviously not the original...


Same reason Firehouse did 'Full Circle'...

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I think I'm with you, Manny. It was kinda cool at first, but it's getting kinda tiresome. Same with all-cover albums.

There are very few instances where the new stuff sounds as good as or better than the originals. I get the marketing/licensing stuff. Anyway to make a buck in the music industry these days. It's easier than producing new material sure, but the concept is played out.

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I would wager that, in Scorps case, they're not trying to make it sound "better"...its more $$ driven...I know Firehouse was motivated by $$...

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Shawn Of Fire wrote:
I would wager that, in Scorps case, they're not trying to make it sound "better"...its more $$ driven...I know Firehouse was motivated by $$...

I'd wager that it's $$ driven in all cases. Some bands just choose to admit it and some don't. That's fine. But it sounds nicer in the press releases to say that you're "doing it for the fans so the music sounds the better or the way we originally intended it to sound".

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MetalGuy71 wrote:
Shawn Of Fire wrote:
I would wager that, in Scorps case, they're not trying to make it sound "better"...its more $$ driven...I know Firehouse was motivated by $$...

I'd wager that it's $$ driven in all cases. Some bands just choose to admit it and some don't. That's fine. But it sounds nicer in the press releases to say that you're "doing it for the fans so the music sounds the better or the way we originally intended it to sound".

Perhaps for bigger bands. I can say in the case of Ultimatum, we would LOVE to have had the opportunity to re-record the first album properly. It really is just a compilation of demos. The proof that it can be better is the re-recorded version of "Blink" on Into the Pit.


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Shawn Of Fire wrote:
Give the bands a break. It's for licensing and direct royalty...I'm sure Polygram still gets paid too much for the originals. This way, they own these new recordings outright and can do with them what they want in terms of licensing, selling, etc.


Example: there's a new Jason Statham movie coming out using "RYLAH" in the trailer on TV...it's obviously Scorpions but it's obviously not the original...


Same reason Firehouse did 'Full Circle'...

And the same reason KISS re-recorded the classics. Gene has said it in interviews. If that is why the bands are doing this, then great. I have no issues with it - the band should get paid. We have all read about the record label's "accounting" - much like when Paramount said the "lost money" on Forrest Gump to avoid paying royalites. I believe Tom Hanks had to sue in order for Paramount to finally pay up.
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Shawn Of Fire wrote:
Example: there's a new Jason Statham movie coming out using "RYLAH" in the trailer on TV...it's obviously Scorpions but it's obviously not the original...

Yes for the film Killer Elite. I noticed that to but I thought that it was the version from Moment of Glory (Hurricane 2000 is what they call it I think).
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Part of it, too, is that its easier & cheaper for a movie studio to go directly to the band and get re-records than it is to get originals from labels...the band undercuts the label on the fee and everyone (except the label) wins.

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Shawn Of Fire wrote:
Part of it, too, is that its easier & cheaper for a movie studio to go directly to the band and get re-records than it is to get originals from labels...the band undercuts the label on the fee and everyone (except the label) wins.

Good - about time the band wins instead of the big labels!!!!
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I don't mind these re-recordings at all. Sometimes they're terrible, but sometimes they're great, even better than the originals! Usually they're just good. Nothing wrong with that. I like good. I may dig the original more, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy a new version.
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I don't mind these re-recordings at all. Sometimes they're terrible, but sometimes they're great, even better than the originals! Usually they're just good. Nothing wrong with that. I like good. I may dig the original more, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy a new version.


I can't disagree with this point but to me its pointless, they will never replace the original as far as fans and radio is concerned, and prefer to have a band move forward, but the money I suppose is too good to pass up, and I suppose I can't blame a band for wanting to cash in on their own legacy, not every band is AC/DC or Aerosmith who own their own masters.
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Shawn Of Fire wrote:
I would wager that, in Scorps case, they're not trying to make it sound "better"...its more $$ driven...I know Firehouse was motivated by $$...

the Firehouse one is pretty good actually. I just dont like when they change the songs to make them 'new'.

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Looks kinda like the Disney "Cars" logo doesn't it?

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What about some of the new movies this year and next like The Thing, Straw Dogs, Footloose, Fright Night, Conan The Barbarian, Total Recall, and the new TV show I heard about recently called Charlie's Angels?

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