what do you all think of Winger now

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I have been listening to Pull and gotta say its one hell of an album

I only have/know about Pull, but I like it quite a bit.

Morgenstern & Beach are both excellent musicians (especially Rod), but they were "slumming it for cash" with this band.

Same thing goes for Mr. Big.....

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

DeathCult wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

DeathCult wrote:

Their must be 10 copies of their debut at the one store here, they cant even give em away

That doesn't mean anything...I can also usually find a ton of Led Zeppelin and AC/DC discs at the used places too...does that mean they suck?

It does when they're priced at 1.99 and havent sold for close to a year, my main point was actually that it was pretty easy to find though.

Again, has no bearing on quality...just on what people feel like listening too..."quality" is subjective anyway...I've found CD's I loved for less than $1...

So have I, but Winger is just another one of those "aqua net in the chest hair" type deals for me. They had some good musicans in the band, with a few decent ounding song, but its just not my thing, Id much rather hear Red unrestrained then playing "In The Heart Of The Young"

detuned wrote:

Morgenstern & Beach are both excellent musicians (especially Rod), but they were "slumming it for cash" with this band.

Same thing goes for Mr. Big.....

I thought the same thing when it came to Winger and Mr. Big, but I now feel that these guys actually doing like playing the more radio friendly rock. Reb Beach went from Winger to Whitesnake which all mine the same type of genre IMO.

Kip Winger is so unappreciated. He had the pretty-boy thing happening, but he's every bit the musician/composer that Beach or Morgenstein is...guitar, keys, bass, vocals...all around guy.

As for "slumming it for cash", that's just an uneducated statement. Crafting a hook, one that people still sing 20+ years later, isn't exactly an easy thing to do.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Kip Winger is so unappreciated. He had the pretty-boy thing happening, but he's every bit the musician/composer that Beach or Morgenstein is...guitar, keys, bass, vocals...all around guy.

As for "slumming it for cash", that's just an uneducated statement. Crafting a hook, one that people still sing 20+ years later, isn't exactly an easy thing to do.

Gotta say I agree 110%, again.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Kip Winger is so unappreciated. He had the pretty-boy thing happening, but he's every bit the musician/composer that Beach or Morgenstein is...guitar, keys, bass, vocals...all around guy.

As for "slumming it for cash", that's just an uneducated statement. Crafting a hook, one that people still sing 20+ years later, isn't exactly an easy thing to do.

Its been forever since i have heard some of their stuff but since re-acquiring some of the albums I have to say - Winger has held up much better than a lot of their contemporaries who either sold out to another style or went bye bye altogether. I dont care for the image but the music is good...

Alex

It's not "uneducated" to think that these guys were all about trying to make big money.

He didn't say you could do it without talent.

I love this:

Kip Winger wrote:

I also love Def Leppard and I think they’re a great band. But if Joe Elliott wants to meet me at an L.A. club of his choice with an acoustic guitar, leave the Pro Tools at home and I’ll open up a can of whoop-ass on him!

http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/kip-winger-slams-metallica-def-leppard/

They didn't "evolve" like Pantera into something completely different they just did what worked for them. And i think they are pretty good musicians especially Reb Beach.

Temple of Blood wrote:

It's not "uneducated" to think that these guys were all about trying to make big money.

He didn't say you could do it without talent.

What's uneducated about it is saying that they were taking their talent and "slumming" in a somehow (insinuated) inferior style of music...it takes just as much talent to make good Melodic Rock as it does good Thrash and neither style is any better than the other...just different. Playing Melodic Rock isn't "slumming"...

I think what hurt Winger was not just Beavis and Butthead but their image was so geared to the female pop metal fan, that wrong or right they were looked as a pretty boy hair band with no depth.

Every video featured Kip Winger pouting for the camera, etc. I know lots of bands did this during this era but Winger was singled out as the worst offenders.

This of course has very little to do with music, that is just image. As musicians, in the pop metal world, this guys where one of the more accomplised bands and I think when you get to 'Pull' Winger where already moving away from that image and their songs where incorporating influences from other sources.

Most 80s Rock bands fell victim to the hairspray abuse...even King's X...on a musical level, you could strip the ultra-slick production off of the first 2 Winger albums and the songs would stand on their own.

The only song by them that gets on my nerves is "Seventeen".

Troublezone wrote:

The only song by them that gets on my nerves is "Seventeen".

Straight up target-writing if I've ever heard it and easily my least favorite Winger song...the vocal & the music are great...the lyrics are sh!te...

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

The only song by them that gets on my nerves is "Seventeen".

Straight up target-writing if I've ever heard it and easily my least favorite Winger song...the vocal & the music are great...the lyrics are sh!te...

I don't care for "Seventeen" much either but I have fond memories of that song anyway, because years ago when I was at a club show it was played between bands and a totally hot (and doubtlessly severely inebriated) female patron performed a rather, shall we say, "explicit" interpretive dance routine to it, which kept everyone entertained till the next band came on

Ahhh, the '80s. We shall never see the likes of it again.

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Ahhh, the '80s. We shall never see the likes of it again.

It was when everything was over the top. "Decade of decadence" thrash was ruling the underground and hair metal ruled mtv. I miss those days... and the chicks had tight jeans.

In concert they've changed 17 to 33 or somewhere in there.

TheNazgul wrote:

In concert they've changed 17 to 33 or somewhere in there.

Check out the 3:18 mark....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPcIi_SSick

Fat Freddy wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

The only song by them that gets on my nerves is "Seventeen".

Straight up target-writing if I've ever heard it and easily my least favorite Winger song...the vocal & the music are great...the lyrics are sh!te...

I don't care for "Seventeen" much either but I have fond memories of that song anyway, because years ago when I was at a club show it was played between bands and a totally hot (and doubtlessly severely inebriated) female patron performed a rather, shall we say, "explicit" interpretive dance routine to it, which kept everyone entertained till the next band came on

Ahhh, the '80s. We shall never see the likes of it again.

I think it was after seeing an "exotic dancer" gyrate to the sounds of "Seventeen" that it inspired me to pull the old five-finger discount and liberate Winger's debut from Tower Records. Same thing when I heard the song "Lips n' Hips" by the Electric Boys, although I might have paid for that one.

Come to think of it, allot of the hair metal tapes I had back in the day were probably inspired by strippers shaking their goodies to the sounds of loud geetars and sexual inuendo.

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Come to think of it, allot of the hair metal tapes I had back in the day were probably inspired by strippers shaking their goodies to the sounds of loud geetars and sexual inuendo.

I have similar fond memories associated with "The Zoo" by the Scorpions because it was playing in a strip club while a particularly hot dancer did some interesting things to it.

Hell, I even have fond memories attached to Beck's "Loser" (!) because it was played during my first-ever lap dance.

dang, u guys done figured out me never got edumacated....

detuned wrote:

dang, u guys done figured out me never got edumacated....

Weez just dumb as hell aint we?

manny wrote:

I think what hurt Winger was not just Beavis and Butthead but their image was so geared to the female pop metal fan, that wrong or right they were looked as a pretty boy hair band with no depth.

Every video featured Kip Winger pouting for the camera, etc. I know lots of bands did this during this era but Winger was singled out as the worst offenders.

This of course has very little to do with music, that is just image. As musicians, in the pop metal world, this guys where one of the more accomplised bands and I think when you get to 'Pull' Winger where already moving away from that image and their songs where incorporating influences from other sources.

It was hard to distinguish those bands with talent from those LA Guns-type bands. To me at least, Winger has aged gracefully.

Alex

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

What's uneducated about it is saying that they were taking their talent and "slumming" in a somehow (insinuated) inferior style of music...it takes just as much talent to make good Melodic Rock as it does good Thrash and neither style is any better than the other...just different. Playing Melodic Rock isn't "slumming"...

I dunno ... Morgenstein might've been slumming ....

I have a feeling the vast majority of Winger songs are much easier to perform than what he was doing in the Dixie Dregs.