Nightwish

I realize that many here probably aren't into female fronted symphonic metal, but I'm sure there are a few that do like it.

So what about Nightwish? What are your thoughts on this band?

Do we have any fans here?

I've been on quite a kick lately, just listened to three albums in a row from them.

Never enjoyed them much. I laugh at this video every time I see it, though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg5_mlQOsUQ

I love the Tarja-era stuff.

After that...not so much. And it's not the new singer's fault entirely. I think Tuomas' songwriting has just gotten way too bloated. He's Jim Steinman on steroids these days; every song has to be an "epic".

This is one of my favorite bands! I prefer their newer stuff, but I love each and every album in a special way.

My faves:

1. Dark Passion Play
2. Once
3. Century Child
4. Wishmaster
5. Oceanborn
6. Angels Fall First


They don't have a bad album.

Metallic Blaze wrote:

This is one of my favorite bands! I prefer their newer stuff, but I love each and every album in a special way.

My faves:

1. Dark Passion Play
2. Once
3. Century Child
4. Wishmaster
5. Oceanborn
6. Angels Fall First


They don't have a bad album.

C'mon admit it; Angels Fall First is pretty lame.

I much prefer the Tarja era and even I think that album is pretty weak.

Pretty lame? Why would I admit that?

It's their weakest album sure ... but it has a lot of redeemable moments on it! Sheesh.

Metallic Blaze wrote:

Pretty lame? Why would I admit that?

It's their weakest album sure ... but it has a lot of redeemable moments on it! Sheesh.

The fact that I prefer Dark Passion Play over Angels Fall First tells you all you need to know about my feelings about AFF. IMO, all AFF shows is the potential of what was to come but standing on it's own I think it's really weak.

Nightwish is really good... Not a fan though but I gotta admit they're awesome! I don't really think Angels Fall First is lame... (Sure, a bit disappointing but it's pretty good...)

Toho,

We're all entitled to our opinions.

But don't tell me what MY opinion should be.

BuzzPhil wrote:

Nightwish is really good... Not a fan though but I gotta admit they're awesome! I don't really think Angels Fall First is lame... (Sure, a bit disappointing but it's pretty good...)

Exactly!

Metallic Blaze wrote:

Toho,

We're all entitled to our opinions.

But don't tell me what MY opinion should be.

Gimme a break dude, you should know me better than that.

I'm not trying to tell you what you opinion should be; I'm just asking you to make sure you're admiration for Angels Fall First isn't based on your self-admitted Nightwish fanboyness.

This is one time that me and Tohostudios disagree. Maybe the first time. I haven't heard all of Nightwish's albums but what I have heard and seen, I really enjoy. I have Dark Passion Play and I love that album. I have a DVD, End of an Era, I think it is called and I like that one a lot as well.

Cool Bgast! Good taste!

tohostudios wrote:

Metallic Blaze wrote:

Toho,

We're all entitled to our opinions.

But don't tell me what MY opinion should be.

Gimme a break dude, you should know me better than that.

I'm not trying to tell you what you opinion should be; I'm just asking you to make sure you're admiration for Angels Fall First isn't based on your self-admitted Nightwish fanboyness.

I admit I'm a fanboy. Have been for years.

But no, seriously - although they left the album in the dust with later releases, "Angels Fall First" was quite groundbreaking when it first came out in the 90s. It inspired a whole generation to move the gal to the front in metal! So yes, it has been surpassed. But it's still a great album.

But see, I followed Nightwish starting with this album. It was my introduction to the band. So it will always be special.

Toho, did you get into the band at this album? Or later? Because if I had gotten into Nightwish around the time of "Wishmaster" or such, my opinion of "Angels Fall First" might be different. I don't think so though ... but it's hard to say.


I would rate "Angels Fall First" a solid 8/10. It's a good, although not great, album.

i'm not a fan, but do like their last two albums. especially the one with Anette. only because i prefer traditional rock vocals over operatic stuff. both gals have skills though.

I like Nightwhish and have 8 albums. I prefer the Tarja suff. But I like Dark Passion Play as well. I also think that Angels Fall First is a good album.

I just saw them like two weeks ago. Good show, bad seats.

I never really liked Tarja. I remember I got into the band after Wishmaster came out, and while they were already very popular in Finland after Oceanborn, I just couldn't get into them because of the vocals. It seemed a bit gimmick-y.

But Wishmaster is such an intense power metal album that I couldn't resist anymore. Great songs all throughout and you get used to the vocals. After hearing it once I got into the band big time. After that I got the first two also, and sort of enjoyed both - well, at least Oceanborn.

Century Child and Once were both awesome and there was less of that operetic style of singing, the songs also got heavier, though I had nothing against that European power metal approach they had on Oceanborn/Wishmaster.

I like Anette, maybe even more than Tarja. She's a more traditional style vocalist and the songs are still awesome, so no complaints. And Dark Passion Play has its share of straight up rockers like Bye Bye Beautiful, Amaranth or Master Passion Greed, no orchestra there, so it's not just ridiculously epic tracks one after another.

Here's how I'd rank the albums:
1. Once
2. Wishmaster
3. Century Child
4. Dark Passion Play
5. Oceanborn
*drop*
6. Angels Fall First

I also have the DVD, End of an Era.

Metallic Blaze wrote:

tohostudios wrote:

Metallic Blaze wrote:

Toho,

We're all entitled to our opinions.

But don't tell me what MY opinion should be.

Gimme a break dude, you should know me better than that.

I'm not trying to tell you what you opinion should be; I'm just asking you to make sure you're admiration for Angels Fall First isn't based on your self-admitted Nightwish fanboyness.

I admit I'm a fanboy. Have been for years.

But no, seriously - although they left the album in the dust with later releases, "Angels Fall First" was quite groundbreaking when it first came out in the 90s. It inspired a whole generation to move the gal to the front in metal! So yes, it has been surpassed. But it's still a great album.

But see, I followed Nightwish starting with this album. It was my introduction to the band. So it will always be special.

Toho, did you get into the band at this album? Or later? Because if I had gotten into Nightwish around the time of "Wishmaster" or such, my opinion of "Angels Fall First" might be different. I don't think so though ... but it's hard to say.


I would rate "Angels Fall First" a solid 8/10. It's a good, although not great, album.

Yeah, I got into Nightwish with Wishmaster; still my favorite album by the band.

1.CC
2.WM
3.Once
4.Oceanborn
5.DPP
6.AFF

Wishmaster is one of the best metal albums period IMO. Awesome band with some great songwriting. I like Dark Passion Play as well. Huge Nightwish fan...

I like some of their stuff, especially the older stuff but I got kind of burned out on the operatic female fronted band.

TheNazgul wrote:

I like some of their stuff, especially the older stuff but I got kind of burned out on the operatic female fronted band.

Same here. Wishmaster is the only one of that style that ever sees the light of day nowadays.

I used to like 'em. Got into the band when Century Child was new. And have followed them ever since. Own all of the albums. But I think I'm just burt out on the whole female fronted operatic metal thingy.

Same thing goes for Edenbridge, a band I used to put as high as Nihtwish. Nowadays I cringe if i try to put their albums on.

mc666 wrote:

i'm not a fan, but do like their last two albums. especially the one with Anette. only because i prefer traditional rock vocals over operatic stuff. both gals have skills though.

I agree 100% with mc on this.

I also got the Made in Hong Kong CD+DVD they put out this year. Not an essential release, but still nice for a fan.