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Svengo Metal master
Number of posts : 967 Age : 52
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:34 pm | |
| I hope any involvement that Bush has with Anthrax from now on won't interfere with the new Armored Saint disc. I'm pretty stoked for it after hearing the the demo of one of those new AS tracks. | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:38 pm | |
| If Bush comes back, my interest level in Anthrax will go from where it currently stands now (zero)...to something bordering on possible enthusiasm. |
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metalinmyveins Metal is in my blood
Number of posts : 3325 Age : 53
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:52 pm | |
| - detuned wrote:
- If Bush comes back, my interest level in Anthrax will go from where it currently stands now (zero)...to something bordering on possible enthusiasm.
I never thought I would agree with a statement like that. How the mighty Anthrax have fallen... | |
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Troublezone Road Warrior
Number of posts : 17180 Age : 48
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:07 pm | |
| I would rather have Belladonna come back and do the vocals. I am only a fan of the Belladonna years even though Sound of White Noise was ok. The first album with Turbin was good too. | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:33 pm | |
| - Troublezone wrote:
- I would rather have Belladonna come back and do the vocals. I am only a fan of the Belladonna years even though Sound of White Noise was ok. The first album with Turbin was good too.
I gotta agree with this assessment. With the exception of the "SOWN" and "Two Evils" records, the Bush era leaves me empty. |
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manny mini boss
Number of posts : 21101 Age : 54
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:02 pm | |
| I am in the minority opinion when it comes to Anthrax but I always preferred the John Bush era, never cared for Joey Belladonna's vocals. | |
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mc666 Master Sailboat
Number of posts : 9301 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:15 am | |
| - manny wrote:
- I am in the minority opinion when it comes to Anthrax but I always preferred the John Bush era, never cared for Joey Belladonna's vocals.
i don't really "prefer" the Bush era, but i love it just as much as the Belladonna era. _________________ | |
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MetalGuy71 Bukkake Tsunami
Number of posts : 25557 Age : 53
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:59 pm | |
| The Belladonna-era is when I first became a fan, so those albums will always be special to me. I liked the Bush-era just as much though. Either guy would be a fine replacement as far as I'm concerned. I just want NEW Anthrax music, pronto. _________________ I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too.
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sam Metal is in my blood
Number of posts : 3012 Age : 35
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:33 pm | |
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DallasBlack Zooey Addict
Number of posts : 17074 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:26 am | |
| I really haven't listened to Anthraxh since Stomp 442 (which I only liked mildly) so I guess I have no comment on the current going ons. - Quote :
- You hear about musicians going out and playing even when they're sick all the time. This guy is either a wuss or he is just trying to get out of the band. When you start a new job you don't call in sick...
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- It's easier to play sick when you are a guitar player than a singer.
I'm with ToB on this one (hey, I actually agree with him on something ). If you perform while sick as a vocalist (paritcularly if you've been throwing up or have a throat problem) you can damage your vocals irreparably. After getting food poisoning, it took James LaBrie years to regain his voice and even then he had lost his previous range. Also, ever try to sing high notes with a headache? It feels like your head is about to burst open. | |
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ultmetal Administrator
Number of posts : 19452 Age : 57
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:36 am | |
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- Anthrax beg singer to rejoin
(Friday August 14, 2009 01:26 PM)
Heavy rockers Anthrax are hoping to convince former frontman John Bush to return permanently, insisting they have a chemistry with him that's irreplacable.
Bush returned to the band for their performance at the Sonisphere Festival on 1 August after Dan Nelson - who replaced him in 2007 - left the band, forcing them to cancel a European tour.
Anthrax drummer Charlie Benante claims the gig was a hit and Bush was a perfect fit - so much so they're hoping he'll rejoin them full-time.
Benante tells Blabbermouth.net, "It was an emotional thing for us to do it - especially to ask John to come and do this for us - and he agreed.
"We just click. When you have a chemistry, you should keep it. Now we're gonna make the attempt to talk about this and possibly go on." _________________ ULTIMATUM - TOO METAL FOR WIKIPEDIA!
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akeldama Metal is Forever
Number of posts : 7831 Age : 44
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:04 pm | |
| Ian & Benante are fast becoming Metal's Eddie & Alex Van Halen. | |
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A Handful of Wayne Metal is Forever
Number of posts : 7685 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:40 pm | |
| shouldve thought of that before you jumped to do a reunion tour. but i guess by gones will be by gones. _________________ | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:56 pm | |
| Man, I want more Armored Saint. Well, here's hoping it's as good as White Noise. |
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Coma Metal student
Number of posts : 128 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:15 pm | |
| - mc666 wrote:
- i'd be happy if John Bush rerecorded the vox for the new album. i enjoyed the albums he made with them.
I personally don't. They should have changed their name after they fired Joey. To me, Anthrax died after Persistence of Time. The Sound of White Noise isn't a bad metal album, but it's not Anthrax. Scott is just using the Anthrax name for money. | |
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mc666 Master Sailboat
Number of posts : 9301 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:49 pm | |
| - Coma wrote:
- The Sound of White Noise isn't a bad metal album, but it's not Anthrax.
that's like saying that Jugulator & Demolition are not Priest albums. or Born Again not Sabbath. every guy who played on that album, with exception of Bush, was in the band longer than Joey was. no need to call it anything else but Anthrax. _________________ | |
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ultmetal Administrator
Number of posts : 19452 Age : 57
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:55 pm | |
| Scott is "using" the Anthrax name because it's his band. Just like Lemmy "uses" the Motorhead name. Sound of White Noise was great, but then again, I like all the Bush albums! _________________ ULTIMATUM - TOO METAL FOR WIKIPEDIA!
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Al. Metal novice
Number of posts : 16 Age : 55
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:32 pm | |
| - ultmetal wrote:
- Scott is "using" the Anthrax name because it's his band. Just like Lemmy "uses" the Motorhead name.
Sound of White Noise was great, but then again, I like all the Bush albums! They're good albums, just a bit more modern sounding than the Belladonna era. At least they didn't go all groove orientated on them (ala Pantera). | |
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mr.electric39 Heart of Metal
Number of posts : 1828 Age : 56
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:04 pm | |
| - TheNazgul wrote:
- They are a caricature of what they are were. I don't want Bush back in Anthrax I want new Armored Saint.
+1 Absolutely!!! THE SAINT MARCHES ON.... | |
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MetalGuy71 Bukkake Tsunami
Number of posts : 25557 Age : 53
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:09 am | |
| After the way they dropped John like a hot potato to jump on the re-union bandwagon always left a bad taste in my mouth and I felt bad for John. That being said, I wouldn't mind him rejoining the band if that's what it takes to get me some new Anthrax music. _________________ I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too.
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Troublezone Road Warrior
Number of posts : 17180 Age : 48
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:20 am | |
| I like Symbol of Salvation better than Sound of White Noise so i hope he stays with Armored Saint. | |
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Coma Metal student
Number of posts : 128 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:33 am | |
| - ultmetal wrote:
- Scott is "using" the Anthrax name because it's his band. Just like Lemmy "uses" the Motorhead name.
Motorhead still sounds like Motorhead. Their sound never changed as drastically as what happened with Anthrax. Listen to "Among the Living", then put "Stomp 442". Does it sound at all like the same band, even if you put Joey back on vocals? That's what I meant by "using the Anthrax name". They're so far from their initial sound that it just doesn't sound like the same band. I have no problems with bands evolving, but if you can't recognize the band after a song or two, whether you like it or not, then it went too far. ... and for the record, Anthrax was my favorite band growing up, and Persistence of Time is the album I probably listened to most in my life. | |
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ultmetal Administrator
Number of posts : 19452 Age : 57
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:45 am | |
| Cool. Thanks for explaining yourself.
However, I still disagree with you. Actually, if you listen to 'Motorizer' and then listen to the first, self titled Motorhead album you would be hard pressed to say they sound the same. Some bands change and morph their sound drastically as time goes on, some do not change as much. Some completely reinvent themselves with each new album. A band like Fates Warning drastically altered their sound over time. Even bands like Motorhead and AC/DC who stick to a sound, still have some progression in sound over time.
Anthrax is Scott and Charlie's band. It's their creative outlet. They can do whatever they wish with the band's sound. If it doesn't please the fans, then they will not sell as many records. However, to say they are just "using the name" isn't really fair either.
I do understand what you are saying. I feel the same way about Betrayal. I felt that the sole member in that band used the name. Betrayal were a thrash band in the 80's and early 90's. After releasing two albums, they broke up. Several years later one member of the band started released new CDs under the name, but in a completely different style of music that is not even remotely thrash, or even metal for that matter. It was industrial music. In that case, I saw that member as using the band's name to sell CDs to unsuspecting fans who would be hoping for thrash or metal. I don't really see Anthrax the same way. _________________ ULTIMATUM - TOO METAL FOR WIKIPEDIA!
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manny mini boss
Number of posts : 21101 Age : 54
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:58 am | |
| Also the difference between Anthrax and Betrayal is that Anthrax never broke up, where Betrayal broke up for several years and then used the name with little regard to their own history and their sound. Scott and Charlie have kept the name alive thru various line ups and changing trends even within their own choosen genre. I can see where you coming from Coma, but I agree with ULT's viewpoint as far as Anthrax. Still very interesting post, Coma. | |
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Coma Metal student
Number of posts : 128 Age : 45
| Subject: Re: Is Anthrax done? Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:22 pm | |
| Well, I may give you a point on Motorhead, but I'd see this as being normal considering the number of years separating both releases. The first Motorhead album was released 31 years before Motorizer, hence why a progression can be heard. However, to me, Motorhead always was a heavy metal band with a touch of hard rock and speed metal. No matter which album you listen to, they're basically playing the same style.
In the 80's, Anthrax were a speed/thrash metal band, and still were in 1990 with Persistence of Time, even though that one was a little more "progressive" than their earlier albums. Nonetheless, their riffs were still recognizable, and it's when they were considered at their peak.
Only 5 years later, they come back with something called "Stomp 442", without the classic Anthrax logo, and with Charlie now writing most of the guitar riffs (correct me if I'm wrong), something he wasn't really doing before. Gone are all traces of the past, Anthrax now plays "groove metal", a genre that didn't have a name back then. Three years later, they bring back the classic logo with "Volume 8", but it's still some sort of groove metal that has nothing to do with what they used to do before.
And in 2003, I get all excited over the "What doesn't die" opening track (forget the intro) which seems to finally bring back some aggression in Anthrax, but once again, the rest of the album gets too groovy for me.
My problem with Anthrax nowadays is that it doesn't seem to be an outlet for artistic creativity anymore, you just get the impression that Charlie and Scott are keeping the band alive just for money. Take a look at what was released since let's say "Sound of White Noise".
Full-lengths - 1995: Stomp 442 - 1998: Volume 8 - 2003: We've come for you all
Best-of/Unreleased/Live - 1994: Live: The Island Years - 1998: Moshers 1985-1991 - 1999: Return of the Killer A's - 2001: Madhouse - the very best of Anthrax - 2002: Universal Masters Collection - 2002: The Collection (another version) - 2004: Music of Mass Destruction - 2004: The Greater of Two Evils - 2005: Anthology - No Hit Wonders (85-91) - 2005: Alive 2 - 2007: Extended Versions - 2007: Caught In a Mosh - BBC Live In Concert - 2007: Colour Collection
While I do acknowledge that some of those releases are only contractual obligations, I still get the feeling that the band has had something to say about a few of them. | |
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