Jon Oliva's Pain

Any fans of them here? I'm assuming kmorg must be, with his love for Savatage I personally think they're insanely good, especially so that I finally got my hands on Maniacal Renderings. Hopefully they should put on a great show at Progpower UK in a few weeks.

Hell yes, J.O.P. is an excellent band... I have both of their CDs and love'em both (though I think I like the first one, TAGE MAHAL just a little tiny bit better...).

Since Savatage are apparently a done deal (at least for the time being), Jon's stuff is about as close as we're gonna get to new Savatage material for a while, and that's fine by me...

Great band. Pretty much everything with Jon Oliva is good.

Yep. Absolutely killer stuff. And if you listen to Jon, the two Pain albums are essentially Savatage albums. I really dig how he gives intentional nods to old Savatage songs in these new one. "Through The Eyes Of The King" obviously nods toward "Hall Of The Mountain King," and "Push It To The Limit" has a quick riff that is almost identical to one in "Beyond The Doors Of The Dark."

Devin Townsend does this a lot. He kind of creates a bridge between albums, but intentionally making something similar or using a brief melody similar to an old one or something. It's really cool.

Killer stuff, as is Cafferey's solo stuff. I have all of the solo material from both guys (that I am aware of) as well as Savage Circus, who I also think is very good.



Arttie

i've always been on board the Jon Olivia train.

arttieTHE1manparty wrote:

Killer stuff, as is Cafferey's solo stuff. I have all of the solo material from both guys (that I am aware of) as well as Savage Circus, who I also think is very good.



Arttie

Savage Circus? That's the Blind Guardian connection, not Savatage. Did you mean Zak Steven's band, Circle II Circle? Because they're awesome.

Indeed, that is who I meant. Thanks for catching me...



Arttie

And yet another band I've heard plenty about but have never actually heard. I must check them out.

Absolutly love Maniacle Renderings. My pick for favorite album last year. I'm seeing the band live on april 12th, forn the second time. The last time he played llike 2 Pain songs, and the rest was vintage Savatage!!!

Anyone in to Doctor Butcher?

kmorg wrote:

Absolutly love Maniacle Renderings. My pick for favorite album last year. I'm seeing the band live on april 12th, forn the second time. The last time he played llike 2 Pain songs, and the rest was vintage Savatage!!!

Anyone in to Doctor Butcher?

Doctor Butcher was awesome. I'd love to hear another album from them. Obviously Jon is busy with the "Pain" band and Caffery has his solo thing going but it would rule if they'd get back in the studio and bang out another Butcher CD. That was the heaviest stuff either one of them had ever done!

Fat Freddy wrote:

kmorg wrote:

Absolutly love Maniacle Renderings. My pick for favorite album last year. I'm seeing the band live on april 12th, forn the second time. The last time he played llike 2 Pain songs, and the rest was vintage Savatage!!!

Anyone in to Doctor Butcher?

Doctor Butcher was awesome. I'd love to hear another album from them. Obviously Jon is busy with the "Pain" band and Caffery has his solo thing going but it would rule if they'd get back in the studio and bang out another Butcher CD. That was the heaviest stuff either one of them had ever done!

Yeah, I have the CD and the demos. Great stuff! The new Caffery CD sounds a lot like DB though....

kmorg wrote:

Yeah, I have the CD and the demos. Great stuff! The new Caffery CD sounds a lot like DB though....

Does it really? Cool! I have yet to check out any of Caffery's solo stuff, but now I may have to look into it...

I bought Tage Mahal and I couldn't get into it much (the most recent Savatage CD I have is Streets, I'm a fan of their older stuff). Same with his Doctor Butcher project. Haven't heard the new album though.

I may have the new 2CD Doctor Butcher for trade soon. I recently (finally) ordered Chris Caffery's W.A.R.P.E.D. album. It's taken me so long because there's only a few songs on it that I don't own on Faces, God Damn War, The Mold single, or the Music Man EP. Anyway, I got the package today and the 2CD version of the Doctor Butcher album was in it—autographed.

Obviously I can't return that one, so I'm going to offer to send back my personal version—which is in perfect condition. I doubt they'll accept it, though. So I may have an extra copy of the 2CD version soon.

The MOUNTAIN KING rules!!!
I think Jon Olivas Pain is among the greatest bands active today!!

I've been checking out Caffery's solo stuff as of recent, and I'm digging it quite a bit so I figure I should try and find myself that Doctor Butcher reissue.

Metal Misfit, I too prefer the older Savatage stuff but I personally thought that Tage Mahal was a great mix of both the Savatage eras. Maybe that's just me.

Roll on March 31st

Olafsto wrote:

The MOUNTAIN KING rules!!!
I think Jon Olivas Pain is among the greatest bands active today!!

Come see them in Oslo with me the 12th of April!!!

Eyesore wrote:

I may have the new 2CD Doctor Butcher for trade soon.

What's on the second disc of that Doctor Butcher CD? I have the original import version (GUN Records, 1994), which is a single disc. Is the second one "The Demos?"

If I remembr correctly, it is not the same as The Demos

kmorg wrote:

Olafsto wrote:

The MOUNTAIN KING rules!!!
I think Jon Olivas Pain is among the greatest bands active today!!

Come see them in Oslo with me the 12th of April!!!

That would be great!!
As always, money and time is the problem, also seeing W.A.S.P in Kristiansand on the 19th.
But if i win the lottery, i`ll be there:!:

Olafsto wrote:

kmorg wrote:

Olafsto wrote:

The MOUNTAIN KING rules!!!
I think Jon Olivas Pain is among the greatest bands active today!!

Come see them in Oslo with me the 12th of April!!!

That would be great!!
As always, money and time is the problem, also seeing W.A.S.P in Kristiansand on the 19th.
But if i win the lottery, i`ll be there:!:

Blackie is really getting around these days

Fat Freddy wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

I may have the new 2CD Doctor Butcher for trade soon.

What's on the second disc of that Doctor Butcher CD? I have the original import version (GUN Records, 1994), which is a single disc. Is the second one "The Demos?"

Disc two has:

Inspecter Highway *
Freaks **
Born Of The Board **
Help! Police? **
Bridges **

* Previously unreleased
** Taken from the original Butcher demos

Basically "Inspecter Highway" is all you don't have from the demos CD. They sound better here, though.

Thanx for the info, I was just curious. I also have the demos disc, so I guess I am not gonna buy another copy just to have that one extra song.