ZAK STEVENS PROBABLY SUCKS!

C'mon the beginning of the end of Savatage was when Zak took over on vocals.....Jon Oliva along with Criss were the soul of Savatage, IMO. I think Criss, if he lived (God rest his soul) wouldn't have stayed with Savatage if his brother wasn't doing it anymore.

Let's fight. Round ONE!

Yes, but Edge Of Thorns owns you. The end was when Criss died. It just so happened at the same time as zak joining the band.

Edge of Thorns is the only album I like from Zak. After Jon oliva gave his mic to Zak, savatage lost their heaviness and became like Trans Siberian Orchestra.
I wonder how good is the music from Circle 2 circle

The end was when Jon lost his drive to push on with the Savatage name (or sold it). Savatage with Stevens was still awesome! If you have issues with the music, blame Jon. =)

I really enjoyed Zak's years. Whilst perhaps not quite up to Savatage standards, I'll always be fond of albums like Handful of Rain.

Jon is fat.

You look like Sam Kinison.

powermacho wrote:

Edge of Thorns is the only album I like from Zak. After Jon oliva gave his mic to Zak, savatage lost their heaviness and became like Trans Siberian Orchestra.

Jon & Paul O'Neill still wrote everything...Zak was only singing what was written for him.

Zak RULES!!

Not taking anything away from Jon, but Zak is a far superior vocalist in a technical sense.

I think Paul O'Neill was mostly responsible for the Sava-shift, but to be honest, I like it all. Early Savatage, mid-period Savatage, later Savatage, Dr. Butcher, JOP, CIIC, all of it.

Tall Tyrion wrote:

Zak RULES!!

I'll second that. Zak is my favorite vocalist of all time and EOT is probably one of my favorite albums of all time. I like ALL Savatage to death and could never say a cross word about them.

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I wonder how good is the music from Circle 2 circle

If ya don't like Savatage with Zak, then you won't like CIIC.

I've seen Savatage twice, once with Jon, once with Zak. Both were fantastic shows. I like both eras of the band equally.

Not only did Jon write most of Handful of Rain (together with Paul), he also played most of it! He just wasn't credited for it.

He's ok. I'll give him that much credit.

I liked his work on No Rest for the Wicked and No More Tears. His solo stuff with Black Label Society is pretty good too.

Oh waitaminute. Wrong Zakk.

Nevermind.

Still like him, but dosnt compare to the Jon/Criss show. Even though Zak may be vocally superior, I still like the starting Savatage sound better.

Stender wrote:

Even though Zak may be vocally superior

I realize you are saying "may" and not saying "is". But....
Zak is pretty second tier when it come to vocals, methinks. Oliva always sounds better, even on the emotional stuff. Listen to Streets and tell me Zak would sound better on those songs.

spectrefate wrote:

Stender wrote:

Even though Zak may be vocally superior

I realize you are saying "may" and not saying "is". But....
Zak is pretty second tier when it come to vocals, methinks. Oliva always sounds better, even on the emotional stuff. Listen to Streets and tell me Zak would sound better on those songs.

I'd say most definatly on the emotional stuff. Jon may not be the most be technicaly (sic) gifted singer but he more than makes up for it with his passion. While I'm not saying Zak doesn't put passion in his voice, IMO Jon's passion is practically unmatched in metal. I do believe Zak has a wider and more powerful range though.

I like them both a lot. Gutter Ballet is my favorite so Jon may get a slight nod but Edge of Thorns is awesom. Like Tallt, I enjoy all the incarnations.

It's Paul O Neil's fault, not Zak's.

Tall Tyrion wrote:

Zak RULES!!

Not taking anything away from Jon, but Zak is a far superior vocalist in a technical sense.

I think Paul O'Neill was mostly responsible for the Sava-shift, but to be honest, I like it all. Early Savatage, mid-period Savatage, later Savatage, Dr. Butcher, JOP, CIIC, all of it.

Same here. They all kick much booty! And I do believe we will be adding this name to the pile this year:

http://www.myspace.com/wickedwitchtheband

spectrefate wrote:

Stender wrote:

Even though Zak may be vocally superior

I realize you are saying "may" and not saying "is". But....
Zak is pretty second tier when it come to vocals, methinks. Oliva always sounds better, even on the emotional stuff. Listen to Streets and tell me Zak would sound better on those songs.

Zak blows Jon away. Jon might fit the music better, but if Zak is second tier, Jon is about fourth. And I'm not hating on Jon here.

Eyesore wrote:

Zak blows Jon away. Jon might fit the music
better, but if Jon is second tier, Jon is about fourth. And I'm not
hating on Jon here.

Yeah, I agree. Ironically, Jon's vocals got much better on the later
albums as he adopted some of Zak's vocal stylings (listen to Poets and
Madmen for proof here).

There are some songs that I could not see Zak improving, though,
particularly Gutter Ballet and When The Crowds Are Gone. Jon slays on
those songs.

One word, overated.

Eyesore wrote:

Tall Tyrion wrote:

Zak RULES!!

Not taking anything away from Jon, but Zak is a far superior vocalist in a technical sense.

I think Paul O'Neill was mostly responsible for the Sava-shift, but to be honest, I like it all. Early Savatage, mid-period Savatage, later Savatage, Dr. Butcher, JOP, CIIC, all of it.

Same here. They all kick much booty! And I do believe we will be adding this name to the pile this year:

http://www.myspace.com/wickedwitchtheband

awesome never heard about this. keep us updated about this band

The first time I heard Savatage was when I saw their video for edge of thorns on headbangers ball and I hated it. I didnt like the video or the music or anything. A couple of years went by and I was listening to a college radio station and heard the song Hall of the Mountain King and I was blown away. I waited til they came back on to hear who the band was and when I found out it was Savatage I was surprised because it wasnt the same singer or the same sound as I heard before. The next day I went out to find any Savatage album I could find and I forget which one I picked up but I remembe I still wasnt happy with them yet because I couldnt find Hall Of the Mountain King. Finally one day I came across it and my Savatage search began after that Ive grown to like every era of the band. I never got to hear Zak sing any Jon songs so Im not sure how I would like him singing those but for the albums that he was on he was great. I do tend to like Jon a little more because he has a very unique voice from anyone else where as zak is a more common kind of vocalist.