Covid-19 pandemic

I know how the vaccine works but not necessarily the exact ingredients in it but I don't really care about that anyway as long as I understand the mechanism it is using to do its job. As far as the ongoing mask thing is concerned I'll keep doing it until the vaccine is available to the general public. Plus I'm not sure it's been firmly established that even if you've been vaccinated you can't still be a vector for the virus and transfer it to someone else. So it's just a courtesy IMO. But once the general public has been able to get the vaccine for a while I'm done with masking and I'm not waiting for the CDC to tell me when.

And yes I am still concerned about how long the immunity lasts. I really haven't heard much about that at all.

I got my second Pfizer shot on Tuesday. My only side affect was arm pain - I did feel like someone had hit my arm with a sledgehammer for about a day, but that's it. My wife got the Moderna vaccine and her first shot gave her a headache and she had a lot of fatigue, but her second shot made her very ill for 7 hours. We're talking 7 hours of non-stop vomiting, fever, chills, and fatigue. After 7 hours, she fell asleep for 2 hours and woke up feeling perfectly fine. Weird. Either way we are both fully vaccinated now.

I got my vaccine at the local grocery store pharmacy. They were very efficient and I waited in line for maybe 5 minutes for my first shot and for my second shot I didn't wait at all.

The latest studies show that you cannot spread the virus if you've been vaccinated. Also your immunity will probably last for decades if not longer. We know this because people that had SARS back in the early 2000s still have strong antibody response two decades later. Also, a study released last week shows that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are very effective against variants, regardless of what you are reading online.

Yeah today I've got the arm pain but that's it. It's not the kind of pain I expected; this feels like the sore muscle pain you experience after a hard workout in the gym. My left arm feels like I did about 100 bicep curls.

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Gilbert wrote:

I am getting the Sputnik V. God help me...

What is that? The Russian vaccine?

Good luck bro!

tohostudios wrote:

I know how the vaccine works but not necessarily the exact ingredients in it but I don't really care about that anyway as long as I understand the mechanism it is using to do its job.  As far as the ongoing mask thing is concerned I'll keep doing it until the vaccine is available to the general public.  Plus I'm not sure it's been firmly established that even if you've been vaccinated you can't still be a vector for the virus and transfer it to someone else.  So it's just a courtesy IMO.  But once the general public has been able to get the vaccine for a while I'm done with masking and I'm not waiting for the CDC to tell me when.

And yes I am still concerned about how long the immunity lasts.  I really haven't heard much about that at all.

Of coarse, to each his own... but I would be concerned with the ingredients. That could be the key to the long term side effects on a person’s health. Who knows? There could be a cancer risk. The general public doesn’t know anything but the theory of how the vaccine works. But what if they keep saying there is a new strain and inject you with vaccines every year?

Then it's like the flu.

I got the regular flu shot once. It sucked! It actually made me sick. I do better with taking 1000 mg of vitamin C supplements.

tohostudios wrote:

Then it's like the flu.

Well I guess people will get two shots every year. Regular flu and new strain covid.

Yeah I've never gotten the flu shot either because I've never gotten the flu. But I will get the Covid shot every year if need be.

Have gotten the flu shot every year for over 20 years, never been sick from the shot and haven't had the flu since. They give them free at work every year. They are trying to get Covid vaccines as well to give to employees.

Troublezone wrote:

Gilbert wrote:

I am getting the Sputnik V. God help me...

What is that? The Russian vaccine?

Good luck bro!

Yes, most firms are securing the Russian vaccine for their personnel. It's either this or the Astrazeneca one which is secured by the government.

My parents and my wife got the Pfizer vaccine.

Gilbert wrote:

Troublezone wrote:

Gilbert wrote:

I am getting the Sputnik V. God help me...

What is that? The Russian vaccine?

Good luck bro!

Yes, most firms are securing the Russian vaccine for their personnel. It's either this or the Astrazeneca one which is secured by the government.

My parents and my wife got the Pfizer vaccine.

Definitely don’t get the AstraZeneca. There is some controversy with that one.

I doubt I will get any Covid shots. In doing some research into the different shots there is a question about if immunity from the vaccine is stronger than natural immunity from infection. Given the vaccines do not prevent the the spread but mainly mitigates the symptoms, I will wait and see the longer-term effects.

exact33 wrote:

I doubt I will get any Covid shots. In doing some research into the different shots there is a question about if immunity from the vaccine is stronger than natural immunity from infection. Given the vaccines do not prevent the the spread but mainly mitigates the symptoms, I will wait and see the longer-term effects.

I’m with you on that!

I’m concerned with the long term effects. The vaccine was rolled out so fast that there is no logical way to justify that it is completely safe. I also am one of those people that always gets the side effects bad with pharmaceutical drugs. I tend to do very well with boosting my immune system with vitamins. I already like to social distance too... so that’s fine with me.

The regular flu kills almost the same amount of people around the world every year, but it isn’t labeled a pandemic. Some experts have said that most people (somewhere between 97% and 99.75%) can survive and recover if they have no underlined health problems that are susceptible to the effects of the virus. I hate how Fauci and others have backpedaled and changed their stances and opinions so many times. That did not reassure my confidence in their “expertise”.

I'm with you on the social distancing. I keep telling people I was socially distanced before socially distant was "cool". But given my age I figured it was better to get the vaccine when I could; if I was the age of you guys TZ and exact, I might have felt differently too. Whatever, it's definitely a personal decision.

tohostudios wrote:

I'm with you on the social distancing.  I keep telling people I was socially distanced before socially distant was "cool".  But given my age I figured it was better to get the vaccine when I could; if I was the age of you guys TZ and exact, I might have felt differently too.  Whatever, it's definitely a personal decision.

I am in no way trying to tell others what to do, and I understand that some people are at greater risk because of age or underlying health conditions. But for me personally, I feel I could survive this virus and I am also very sensitive to bad side-effects. I once had to use blood pressure medicine, and it was a nightmare. I got every side-effect.

I will opt to social distance and use 1000mg vitamin C and vitamin D3.

That makes sense TZ.

I, on the other hand, have never had any bad side effects from any shot so I'm just going to go with the shot for Covid. And today, two days after the shot, I feel great. My arm had muscular soreness about 8 hours after the shot but after that...nothing. Long term? Hell, I'm 60 so "long term" is relative. I completely expect something else to catch up with me long before any long term effects from the vaccine do.

And BTW, I take 4 (count 'em FOUR) drugs daily for blood pressure and the only one I've ever had an adverse reaction to was Lisinipril which made me cough, other than that I'm fine with them. So again, if I was your age and with your history with prescriptions I'd probably feel differently too.

I see it as a personal decision. I get employers and businesses can choose to require vaccination before entering in person but I think we as a society are in real danger of inflicting substantial damage to people. The suicide rate is way up, especially in younger ages. I think social distancing and masks are creating other issues.

I also do not get the stance that we should have proof of vaccination to enter a grocery store but no identification is needed to vote.

tohostudios wrote:

That makes sense TZ.

I, on the other hand, have never had any bad side effects from any shot so I'm just going to go with the shot for Covid.  And today, two days after the shot, I feel great.  My arm had muscular soreness about 8 hours after the shot but after that...nothing.  Long term?  Hell, I'm 60 so "long term" is relative.  I completely expect something else to catch up with me long before any long term effects from the vaccine do.  

And BTW, I take 4 (count 'em FOUR) drugs daily for blood pressure and the only one I've ever had an adverse reaction to was Lisinipril which made me cough, other than that I'm fine with them.  So again, if I was your age and with your history with prescriptions I'd probably feel differently too.

I think Losartan is the medicine that not only made me cough nonstop, it gave me bright red rashes on my wrists. It was very odd.

Amlodipine and Chlorthalidone are the only combination that worked and didn’t have bad side-effects.

exact33 wrote:

I see it as a personal decision. I get employers and businesses can choose to require vaccination before entering in person but I think we as a society are in real danger of inflicting substantial damage to people. The suicide rate is way up, especially in younger ages. I think social distancing and masks are creating other issues.

I also do not get the stance that we should have proof of vaccination to enter a grocery store but no identification is needed to vote.

I don’t think everyone should social distance. As an “introvert”, it’s easy for me. But for others it is devastating. Especially the young people in school that miss interacting with others.

Essential shopping should never force proof of anything to enter. I also am angered that voting is so corrupt. It’s a ploy to take advantage of the majority Democrat votes. Illegal immigrants and prisoners are obviously going to vote for the free government handouts.

Yeah I agree with you guys about proof of vaccination to enter a business; that's bullshit.

I haven't seen that around here - yet. But I could totally see it coming and that's when I start looking for another place to shop. If I'm complying with all the other rules that have been in place for the past year then let me in dammit.

tohostudios wrote:

Yeah I agree with you guys about proof of vaccination to enter a business; that's bullshit.  

I haven't seen that around here - yet.  But I could totally see it coming and that's when I start looking for another place to shop.  If I'm complying with all the other rules that have been in place for the past year then let me in dammit.

They keep moving the goalposts. You comply and it’s never good enough...

I am concerned about the vaccine for several reasons...namely they cant answer basic questions and like TZ says they keep moving the goalpost and contradicting themselves.. Its still said that 80% of people who get covid are asymptomatic or have a light case and that 70% of the dead are over 70 yrs of age (and were near the end before covid)... I have literally seen fauci say one thing in a interview in the morning and something else in the afternoon of the same day lately.. I have several neighbors that are nurses and drs. who all told me most of the people in the hospital and in our local morgue had severe underlining complications and that while it can be serious for some it has been blown way out of proportion and that my local media and mayor are lying about alot of it and inflated numbers locally  just to reverse course when the governor removed restrictions..One nurse I know told me they have lied on some death certificates.. Then you look at the stories on mass media and in the same news cast I have seen a story saying another wave is coming and later in the newscast another story saying numbers are falling off. WTF?
As for the vaccine I read that you are 70% covered with the first dose (the same as J&J total coverage) and the second dose only boost it by another 25% and the second dose is what makes everyone so sick (because the body thinks the second dose is covid attacking it)..I have taken TZ and JamesB advise and really did some research reading papers and stats and watching videos from all over the world.. This is a twisted situation and Im not really sure what to believe anymore. Plus I have skin problems(Rosacea, Chronic nonallergenic rhinitis, Multiple chemical sensitivity disorder and excema...I was in an industrial accident a few years ago that left me with all this) Thats why I am hesitant since they cant answer questions...

brokentulsa wrote:

I am concerned about the vaccine for several reasons...namely they cant answer basic questions and like TZ says they keep moving the goalpost and contradicting themselves.. Its still said that 80% of people who get covid are asymptomatic or have a light case and that 70% of the dead are over 70 yrs of age (and were near the end before covid)... I have literally seen fauci say one thing in a interview in the morning and something else in the afternoon of the same day lately.. I have several neighbors that are nurses and drs. who all told me most of the people in the hospital and in our local morgue had severe underlining complications and that while it can be serious for some it has been blown way out of proportion and that my local media and mayor are lying about alot of it and inflated numbers locally  just to reverse course when the governor removed restrictions..One nurse I know told me they have lied on some death certificates.. Then you look at the stories on mass media and in the same news cast I have seen a story saying another wave is coming and later in the newscast another story saying numbers are falling off. WTF?
As for the vaccine I read that you are 70% covered with the first dose (the same as J&J total coverage) and the second dose only boost it by another 25% and the second dose is what makes everyone so sick (because the body thinks the second dose is covid attacking it)..I have taken TZ and JamesB advise and really did some research reading papers and stats and watching videos from all over the world.. This is a twisted situation and Im not really sure what to believe anymore. Plus I have skin problems(Rosacea, Chronic nonallergenic rhinitis, Multiple chemical sensitivity disorder and excema...I was in an industrial accident a few years ago that left me with all this) Thats why I am hesitant since they cant answer questions...

There’s no doubt that the elderly and those with pre-existing health conditions are in the most danger. But even the regular flu can kill them...

I think this covid virus has been a scapegoat for political agendas. It’s psychological. Keep people in fear.

I also think Fauci enjoys the spotlight. He enjoys the notoriety. No one knew who the hell he was before this, and he doesn’t want it to end. Rational people that have critical thinking know that his backpedaling is ridiculous. Lots of people have lost confidence in his leadership. How can you be an “expert” and then keep changing your mind?