Why wasn't Savatage bigger?

Big Rich wrote:

tohostudios wrote:

Lari wrote:

Big Rich wrote:

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GB was the first song I ever heard by them, and it was on  a college radio station.

Mine too. It was the video I saw, in the 90s. The next time I went to a record store I looked if I could grab a CD of theirs for cheap. Ended up with a second hand copy of Streets. That's where I started - now they are my favourite band and I own them all.

The Wake of Magellan is probably my favourite album of theirs. Mountain King is a solid 2nd.

Wake is my favorite as well; I thought I was the only person that thought that.

You 2 are insane.

It's just a great great record, if you give it a chance.

You know you want to

manny wrote:

Also being the MTV era, let's be honest, in a visual medium, these guys were not pin ups.

Well, ain't that the truth.

Big Rich wrote:

tohostudios wrote:

Lari wrote:

Big Rich wrote:

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GB was the first song I ever heard by them, and it was on  a college radio station.

Mine too. It was the video I saw, in the 90s. The next time I went to a record store I looked if I could grab a CD of theirs for cheap. Ended up with a second hand copy of Streets. That's where I started - now they are my favourite band and I own them all.

The Wake of Magellan is probably my favourite album of theirs. Mountain King is a solid 2nd.

Wake is my favorite as well; I thought I was the only person that thought that.

You 2 are insane.

My second favorite is Gutter Ballet. 

Followed by....(wait for it....)







"Streets"!

It's on "Streets" that I think you can hear the genesis of what would become Trans Siberian Orchestra.

Guys, the post Criss records is okay, but it ain't Savatage to me. Just my opinion.

Just curious Big Rich, do you like TSO?

I sort of do but not as much as I like Savatage pre-or-post Criss and/or regardless of who was on vocals at the time for Savatage.   TSO is just a different animal but I can clearly hear how latter-day Savatage was leading to that.

Lari wrote:

manny wrote:

Also being the MTV era, let's be honest, in a visual medium, these guys were not pin ups.

Well, ain't that the truth.

"Hall of the Mountain King" got quite a bit of airtime there...

tohostudios wrote:

Just curious Big Rich, do you like TSO?

I sort of do but not as much as I like Savatage pre-or-post Criss and/or regardless of who was on vocals at the time for Savatage.   TSO is just a different animal but I can clearly hear how latter-day Savatage was leading to that.

Yep, I've seen them twice. Not a huge fan of their records though. I am happy Jon finally made some money too. I'd probably like the post Criss stuff if they had a different name. I don't hate it, just wasn't the same for me.

candlemass wrote:

Lari wrote:

manny wrote:

Also being the MTV era, let's be honest, in a visual medium, these guys were not pin ups.

Well, ain't that the truth.

"Hall of the Mountain King" got quite a bit of airtime there...

Regular MTV or just Headbangers Ball? I didnt get MTV until 1993 (just as HBB was on its last legs), but I doubt that HOtMK was played between Michael Jackson and U2 videos.

I never really gave 'em a chance till I started lurking around here and saw all the praise they got. I still revisit them from time to time and still never fully get the appeal.

Savatage and King's X are 2 bands that members of this board raved about for years and I just could never get into them as much as I've tried.

I do enjoy TSO, so there's that.

I hardly know you MG.

Kings X are WAY overrated, but have about 2 good songs and an original style so good for them.

Savatage has a masterpiece album in HOTMK that is pretty much great from start to finish.

Hadley wrote:

candlemass wrote:

Lari wrote:

manny wrote:

Also being the MTV era, let's be honest, in a visual medium, these guys were not pin ups.

Well, ain't that the truth.

"Hall of the Mountain King" got quite a bit of airtime there...

Regular MTV or just Headbangers Ball? I didnt get MTV until 1993 (just as HBB was on its last legs), but I doubt that HOtMK was played between Michael Jackson and U2 videos.

I would presume only Headbanger's Ball (I live in Canada, and we only get MuchMusic, where I don't believe Savatage ever got played outside of their metal related programming).

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Savatage and King's X are 2 bands that members of this board raved about for years and I just could never get into them as much as I've tried.

I do enjoy TSO, so there's that.

I'm with you on King's X.  I really like "Gretchen Goes To Nebraska" but other than that I could take or leave the band.

MetalGuy71 is the guy I made this thread about. Lots of metalheads just don't get into Savatage. I have 2 metalhead friends offline, and I'm always telling them about the wonders of the 'Tage, but they ain't buying.

Big Rich wrote:

MetalGuy71 is the guy I made this thread about.

I'm flattered.

I always liked this song. Criss' guitar tone on the Mountain King is just perfection.

Temple of Blood wrote:

Kings X are WAY overrated, but have about 2 good songs and an original style so good for them.

Required Fields wrote:

Hadley wrote:

candlemass wrote:

Lari wrote:

manny wrote:

Also being the MTV era, let's be honest, in a visual medium, these guys were not pin ups.

Well, ain't that the truth.

"Hall of the Mountain King" got quite a bit of airtime there...

Regular MTV or just Headbangers Ball? I didnt get MTV until 1993 (just as HBB was on its last legs), but I doubt that HOtMK was played between Michael Jackson and U2 videos.

I would presume only Headbanger's Ball (I live in Canada, and we only get MuchMusic, where I don't believe Savatage ever got played outside of their metal related programming).

Odd ,memory time. I remember "Hall" being the very last video on HB for like a month straight when I was like 13 years old. I remember waiting up til the end of the show to see it and being super exhausted the next morning when it was time to go to 10:30 AM mass. Ah, good times.

tohostudios wrote:

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Savatage and King's X are 2 bands that members of this board raved about for years and I just could never get into them as much as I've tried.

I do enjoy TSO, so there's that.

I'm with you on King's X.  I really like "Gretchen Goes To Nebraska" but other than that I could take or leave the band.

I haven't listened to King's X in a while. I got into them in the mid 1990's when a co worker let me borrow "Dogman" on cassette. I went and got my own and played the hell out of it in my then brand new 1995 Pontiac Grand Am. I remember cranking "Pillow" as loud as could and hoping not to blow my speakers. Ha. More good times.