Albums that didn't stand the test of time

Temple of Blood wrote:

I'm not sure being dated is what this thread was about.

I thought it was about albums you loved that now you realize were never that great to begin with.

I some people interpreted "not standing the test of time" in different ways.

But I mean, those DRI releases in the initial post of factually stood the test of time. Those are crossover punk/hardcore benchmarks. So, I don't know.

To me, "albums that didn't stand the test of time" and "albums I no longer listen to" are basically the same thing. It's still 100% subjective.

I'd say probably 70% of the albums I owned in the 1980s I no longer listen to.

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To me, "albums that didn't stand the test of time" and "albums I no longer listen to" are basically the same thing. It's still 100% subjective.

I'd say probably 70% of the albums I owned in the 1980s I no longer listen to.

Oh in that case I still listen to mostly only albums from the 80s or albums with a real 80s influence..I am a huge fan of "all the 80s synths, fairlight programming, drum machines, triggered drums, gated snare sound, digital chorus pedals, digital delay and all that other digital drek sounds"..the cheesier the better to me  sleaze me, teeze me , pleeze me (and more cowbell)

S.D. wrote:

*dated* is 100% subjective to the listener.

60s and 70s recordings don't sound dated to me at all.  But the over-produced 80s crap sure does....

Mostly instrumental sounds and production techniques.  Analog instrumentation like electric pianos, Hammond organs, Wurlitzer, Fender Rhodes, Mellotron and analog synths don't sound dated to me at all.  

But all the 80s synths, fairlight programming, drum machines, triggered drums, gated snare sound, digital chorus pedals, digital delay and all that other digital drek sounds laughable to me now.

I'm also sick to death of the 80s active-pickup, sold-state-amp, mid-scoop EQ guitar sound that just about every band used.

I'm not the only one either, because most of the "revolutionary" production techniques of the 80s were dropped like rotten potatoes in the early 90s, never to be heard from again.

But I didn't like the '80s sound (well, post '83 anyway!) in the '80s, so to me it doesn't sound dated it just sounds terrible and it always did. I have already said that I've no problem with albums that sound like they were made in the era they were made, it's part of the charm.

Olafsto wrote:

Same with the entire King Diamond catalogue. I cant listen to more than one ore two songs before getting tired of his helium voice these days, used to be a huge fan..

YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH! hahaha

brokentulsa wrote:

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   Dokken, Breaking the Chains - Aside from the title track this one has aged about as well as milk left in a hot driveway...and that's coming from someone who loves almost everything this band has done. (Even Shadowlife!)


I agree, I don't think I've ever listened to it one sitting. Even the title track is pretty boring. A few of their live releases breathe some life into it, but I always think it's a low point in their set.

Actually this was released in europe as a solo Don Dokken album  way before the international Dokken (band) release..the version under Don's name has a different mix and sounds very nice... I have the Rock Candy version and they really spiced it up and it sounds way better than the original...

Yeah, I've heard that version... and it made no nevermind to me about the mix, I still thought the songs were dull.

I was aware of Dokken when B.T.C. was released thanx to their videos on MTV but I didn't get whole hog into them till I saw them live in '86 supporting Under Lock & Key...so I got into their catalog backwards.

When I did get around to finally picking up a copy of B.T.C. years after the fact, it felt like I hadn't been missing much.

glassprison wrote:

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Iron Maiden - Brave New World - I was very excited about this when it was released and spun it a bunch. I don't really like much of anything on it now other than "The Wicker Man."

I'm still of the view that "The Wicker Man," "Ghost of the Navigator," and "Brave New World" are an incredible opening to an album. I would have loved to see this tour when they opened with those three songs. There are a bunch of mediocre tracks on the rest of the album, but I do like "Dream of Mirrors" and "Out of the Silent Planet."

The Thin Line Between Love and Hate is the best track on the album, and one of the best they've done.

brokentulsa wrote:

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   Dokken, Breaking the Chains - Aside from the title track this one has aged about as well as milk left in a hot driveway...and that's coming from someone who loves almost everything this band has done. (Even Shadowlife!)


I agree, I don't think I've ever listened to it one sitting. Even the title track is pretty boring. A few of their live releases breathe some life into it, but I always think it's a low point in their set.

Actually this was released in europe as a solo Don Dokken album  way before the international Dokken (band) release..the version under Don's name has a different mix and sounds very nice... I have the Rock Candy version and they really spiced it up and it sounds way better than the original...

Really?! I have the Carrere one on Lp and didn't know that they finally put it on cd. I'll have to check that out.

chewie wrote:

brokentulsa wrote:

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   Dokken, Breaking the Chains - Aside from the title track this one has aged about as well as milk left in a hot driveway...and that's coming from someone who loves almost everything this band has done. (Even Shadowlife!)


I agree, I don't think I've ever listened to it one sitting. Even the title track is pretty boring. A few of their live releases breathe some life into it, but I always think it's a low point in their set.

Actually this was released in europe as a solo Don Dokken album  way before the international Dokken (band) release..the version under Don's name has a different mix and sounds very nice... I have the Rock Candy version and they really spiced it up and it sounds way better than the original...

Really?! I have that one on Lp and didn't know that they finally put it on cd. I'll have to check that out.

It's not on CD. Rock Candy remastered the version released under the name Dokken not the Don Dokken version.

I think the "test of time" criterion is why my favorite styles of music for the past several years has been glam/sleaze and power pop/punk. 

I can listen to glam/sleaze stuff from decades ago and other than production values it sounds like it could have been created in the past several years.  Same thing with power pop/punk.  Ramones?  That music could have been created yesterday; it wears well for me.

Actually that probably explains my affinity for AC/DC-style bands too.  You can listen to early AC/DC and it still sounds like AC/DC from today.  It's another style that really doesn't change from decade to decade and therefore it doesn't ever seem to sound dated IMO.

Witchfinder wrote:

chewie wrote:

brokentulsa wrote:

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   Dokken, Breaking the Chains - Aside from the title track this one has aged about as well as milk left in a hot driveway...and that's coming from someone who loves almost everything this band has done. (Even Shadowlife!)


I agree, I don't think I've ever listened to it one sitting. Even the title track is pretty boring. A few of their live releases breathe some life into it, but I always think it's a low point in their set.

Actually this was released in europe as a solo Don Dokken album  way before the international Dokken (band) release..the version under Don's name has a different mix and sounds very nice... I have the Rock Candy version and they really spiced it up and it sounds way better than the original...

Really?! I have that one on Lp and didn't know that they finally put it on cd. I'll have to check that out.

It's not on CD.  Rock Candy remastered the version released under the name Dokken not the Don Dokken version.

I went and looked for it and didn't see it. Explains that. Bummer!

Temple of Blood wrote:

I thought it was about albums you loved that now you realize were never that great to begin with.

Yah, something like this. Just album you used to really like and now they just don't sound as good to you anymore.

The music hasn't changed, I have. I remember thinking Gary Moore Victims of the Future was just incredible in every way. I no longer hold that view, yet I still like the album. Many albums from my youth (the 80's) I just don't listen to anymore because I'm tired of them.

journeyman wrote:

The music hasn't changed, I have. I remember thinking Gary Moore Victims of the Future was just incredible in every way. I no longer hold that view, yet I still like the album. Many albums from my youth (the 80's) I just don't listen to anymore because I'm tired of them.

Bingo!  Same here.

Kiss-Psycho Circus
Judas Priest-Angel of Retribution

OTOH, I still enjoy a lot of 80s hard rock and metal albums with those "dated" production techniques. That said, when it comes to hair metal, i find myself gravitating more to the 83-86 era where it had a more "metallic" edge, before it got way too slick (though i do love a lot of those slickly produced albums, i find myself preferring the likes of Ratt, Dokken, Quiet Riot, King Kobra's first album, pre-Hysteria Def Lep, early Stryper, etc)

If I liked an album as a teenager or young adult, that it is very likely I still like it and listen to it. My tastes have broadened but I did sell anything down the river as I got older.

Sure there are some albums I listen more then others, but I still like it.

As far as music, very little music does not sound dated, it does not mean its not timeless, but we all, including artists are prisoners of the technology of their era.

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But I didn't like the '80s sound (well, post '83 anyway!)

I agree with that, albums from 80 to 83 (or 84) tend to be the stuff I still listen to most often.  

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Back to the topic at hand.  

I hate to pick on Dokken more, but a couple months ago I listened to Tooth And Nail and it was painful.  I really loved that album when it came out, but man, it's so cliched now.  The more pop-oriented tracks actually sound the most convincing.

iron maiden - dance of death, somewhere in time
judas priest - ram it down
alice cooper - brutal palent dragontown, eyes of alice, dirty diamonds, along..
kiss - hits, revenge
nirvana - all
halford - crucible
kid rock - everything after cocky
motley crue - everything after Dr feelgood
ac/dc - probably everything after for those about to rock
ozzy - no rest for the..., ozzmosis, black rain, scream
black sabbath - after dio 80s 90s
deep purple - 80s 90s 00s
and lots more





all looser grunge/alterantive music. who even care about grunge or alternative right now ? nobody
need this.

Phoenix Reign Drummer wrote:

Olafsto wrote:

Same with the entire King Diamond catalogue. I cant listen to more than one ore two songs before getting tired of his helium voice these days, used to be a huge fan..

YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH! hahaha

I know... Maybe it`s me that dont stand the test of time haha...

S.D. wrote:

The live versions of the Brave New World tracks from the Rock In Rio DVD smoke the studio versions in every instance.  I never listen to the studio album.

The 5.1 mix on the Rock in Rio DVD is amazing, I still listen to the studio album, but the live versions sound much better.

I do have to disagree with BNW not holding well - great album that has stands up great. All of the post-reunion albums have held up well. I liked Dance of Death even better now than when it was first released!

As far as albums that haven't stood the test of time, I have to agree with Quiet Riot - Metal Health. Loved ti back in the day but outgrew it quickly.

Other albums that haven't stood the test of time:
Grim Reaper - See You In Hell, thought it was great when I got it, not not so much....
KISS - Animalize, Loved it as a new release. Honestly it has a few good songs, but doesn't come close to Creatures or Lick It Up
Exciter - Unveiling The Wicked, same deal loved it back in the day. Listened to it within the past year and outside of a song or 2, it did nothing for me

I like BNW well enough, probably the best if their reunion catalog. My only issue is that damn "top 40" chord progression they overuse on the album. What a terrible choice.

As for Dokken, you know that's one band I should include here. As a teenager they were in my top 5. I couldn't get enough of them, even going as far as hosting a tribute website (Netscape era!) In their honor. Now it just bounces off me. I agree about T&N too--especially the mix. It was like that album was recorded in a tin can. Of course the tracks sound much better live on the Beast From the East album, which actually was my first taste for Dokken.

Slaughter-fear no evil.

loved it when it came out and played it to death for a couple of years.

then it just got all boring.

Pretty much every Ratt album. But I still like some of the songs anyway...

Aerosmith's Get a Grip, Nine Lives and Just Push Play didn't hold up very well for me. I know lots of folks will say those 3 always sucked , but I did like them very much for a long time. Played the hell out of them as new releases. But not long ago I went back and revisited them and all 3 just sound very dated and sterile. Not what I want in an Aerosmith album. I'll go back to the 70's and early 80's for my fix these days.

The only post-Done With Mirrors Aerosmith album I can stomach is Honkin' On Bobo.