New Top 25 Thrash List...

Boris2008 wrote:

DeathCult wrote:

These lists are always interesting, but the subjective nature of personal opinion leaves a lot to be desired. One thing that really irks me the most is the revisionist view points that refer to the likes of Celtic Frost, Bathory, and Death (whom are black and death metal respectively) as thrash. They DO have a lot of thrash elements along with Pantera, but shouldn't be included on a greatest thrash list. Well ok, I'll give you CF, they could squeak by.

It's nice to see Voivod get some well deserved praise, but there's not enough variety here. I'd switch the Death Angel pick to Frolic Through The Park for one, cut the Pantera and a Testament album as well.

Scream Bloody Gore was not death metal, it was brutal thrash metal. Death metal did not exist at the time.

Fair enough Celtic Frost were never thrash. Bathory? I really don't know, they never really fit in with the  crowd but again to just say that they were black metal when that genre hadn't really found an identity at the time really is revisionism, they were just Bathory.

I'm well aware that these bands have been put into neat little boxes with the benefit of 30 years hindsight but at the time it was one scene and a lot of these genre tags were interchangeable. Celtic Frost were actually the first band that i ever saw refer to themselves as death metal although they could hardly be categorized as that now. i also don't really see how you can categorically state that Bathory were never thrash but Voivod definitely were as both bands had a unique sound that could not easily be labelled, so we didn't, we just banged our f*%king heads! (ahh the good old days!)

I also think that if Bathory cannot be considered thrash then neither can the first two Sodom releases.

Well on this we will have to agree to disagree. In effect I think this depends on where you were and what you were into. I had older friends who were deeper into metal than I was at the time SBG came out, they referred to it as death metal, as well as reviews in Metal Hammer and other fanzines. So naturally it stuck with me. I have honestly never heard it referred to as thrash until about oh 10 years ago maybe. Plus, that really IS the record where it truly transformed into complete DM which is why I take such an issue with it.