QUEENSRYCHE

exact33 wrote:

He said he doesnt want to do the older songs even though the rest of the real band does - he is saying they are nothing more of a nostalgia act if they dont write 'adult' songs like he is penning.

I don't see that anywhere in that article, you must be reading an alternate-reality version.

lol, this guy should be a politician. Well Geoff, I'm going to call out one of these elephants in the room... ..Old Queensrÿche is not chock to the brim with "dungeons and dragons". You've got 'Queen of the Ryche', 'Deliverance', 'Nightrider', maybe 'Prophecy', that's it as far as that sort of fantasy stuff goes. Strange you are totally detached from the dystopia of 'The Warning', the dark, longing cyberpunk of 'Rage for Order', the impassioned classical liberalism of 'Mindcrime'. Where's all these dragons, Geoff? Also funny how in 'maturity' you're writing stuff which is already X10 more dated than those records. Masterpieces such as 'Wot We Do'. Yeah Geoff, the 'Dedicated to Chaos' record is so much more relevant artistically, musically, and lyrically than those crappy influential albums full of dragons and caveman metal.

S.D. wrote:

exact33 wrote:

He said he doesnt want to do the older songs even though the rest of the real band does - he is saying they are nothing more of a nostalgia act if they dont write 'adult' songs like he is penning.

I don't see that anywhere in that article, you must be reading an alternate-reality version.

"Tate’s former bandmates accused him of refusing to play the band’s earlier music, a charge he denies on the whole. But he admits: “I don’t do some songs from the past because I can’t deliver them with any kind of conviction. I can’t get behind those lyrics. I gave up Dungeons & Dragons when I was 30.”

Thanks for the support but I am firmly grounded in reality. He doesnt want to play Empire songs, he doesnt want to other older songs but he does want to play the new songs that dont sell. If the rest of the band doesnt want to play the new material, he is saying they are a nostalgia act. Its all right there, you just have to dig a little

He says "some songs" but does not indicate which ones other than Queen Of The Reich.

He also didn't say that he doesn't want to play Empire songs...he said he doesn't want to play "ONLY" Empire songs.

I think you guys are reading your own agenda into what he's saying.

No, what strikes me is they are so few and so obscure that there would be no reason to make such a statement if he wasn't trying to dismiss the back catalog in general. You pick up on these kinds of things when arguing with women enough.

I think we are reading too much into it, plus his previous statements are so douche bag like, that anything he states, no matter how innocent, the b.s detector goes to red

S.D. wrote:

James B. wrote:

His (Tate) reasoning for not doing "Queen Of The Reich" is an insult to the same fanbase he should not be trying to alienate.

How exactly is that an insult to his fans? He was calling his own work "juvenile and cartoonish", he didn't say "...and if someone likes the song they are juvenile" which is how it sounds like you interpreted it.

I took a quick glance at the lyrics for that song and they aren't exactly poetry for the ages...

Focus on the "should not be trying to alienate" part and maybe you'll understand my position for sayin what was said. Mr. Tate "needs" that older fanbase to make any kind of a living with music. Recordable product isn't exactly a 'bread-n-butter" endeavor like years past. So bands/artists have to tour to get that cash flow flowin. Tate IS NOT gonna sell concert tickets withoput some Queensryche material in the setlist. If he goes around calling certain older songs above his current station (juvenile, cartoonish ect ect) What does that imply to those that wish to hear those certain songs ? You can take it however you want, but he is already telling people what and how to think about the whole scenario (firing from the band)
So to me it isn't much of a stretch to say that if he thinks certain tunes are too "juvenile and cartoonish" to perform anymore then those who want to hear them get played are labeled likewise in the pattern that his thought process has dictated throughout this overplayed drawnout drama for the ages.

What Tate is doing is shooting himself in the foot.

It almost reminds me of what Sepultura have done in forsaking their past and refusing to play material off of the albums most of their fans hail as their classics.

I guess I can understand how some people could take it that way, but I see it at as Tate criticizing himself (since he probably wrote those lyrics in the first place) and his writing skills when he was younger. I've read interviews with many artists over the years that are embarrassed by some of their earlier work...I don't think it is that uncommon. People change, they grow up, their viewpoints and priorities evolve, a song that meant something to you at age 20 might seem alien to you at age 40 (for example).

The "cult of 80s metal" is so damn inflexible though, the majority of the fanbase from that era seem to want their artists to all magically transport themselves back to that decade and never leave and don't dare ever try anything different. Other forms of music are the same way, I'm sure there are rap fans that long for the N.W.A./Public Enemy era and I know some jazz fans that only like stuff released during the late 50s and early 60s and don't want to hear anything recorded after 1964 or so.

S.D. wrote:

The "cult of 80s metal" is so damn inflexible though, the majority of the fanbase from that era seem to want their artists to all magically transport themselves back to that decade and never leave and don't dare ever try anything different. Other forms of music are the same way, I'm sure there are rap fans that long for the N.W.A./Public Enemy era and I know some jazz fans that only like stuff released during the late 50s and early 60s and don't want to hear anything recorded after 1964 or so.

I think most fans want to hear the old songs because, quite frankly, the new ones are not that good.

I understand what you're saying, S.D., but at least a lot of those bands may still play the old stuff live.

Chuck Schuldiner's lyrics changed a lot from Scream Bloody Gore (gore and violent death themed lyrics) to later Death albums such as Individual Thought Patterns and The Sound of Perseverance, which had more personal and serious content. He still played songs from the earlier albums, though.

exact33 wrote:

I think most fans want to hear the old songs because, quite frankly, the new ones are not that good.

Oh I agree with you, I think the last decent Queensryche album is Promised Land.

Which of course begs the question; "Why the hell am I wasting my time talking about Queensryche?"

The problem with Tate's argument here is that when all this went down, he was telling everyone he had no problems playing those old songs, because of course at the time he was playing the victim.

That failed, so now he's switched gears and is saying he doesn't want to do those old songs because he can't relate to them and the band was just holding him back as an artist. Now he's freeeee. Weeeee! It's a complete reversal.

I get his sentiment, but I don't think it's valid in this context. Yes, I fully believe that at his current age he can no longer relate to the lyrics on those albums. I know I sure as hell can't! But it doesn't stop me from enjoying the hell out of them. So what the hell does Geoff's not relating to the lyrics have to do with performing those songs? Nothing. This is not acting; it's not frickin' Broadway; it's rock and roll, dude! Just go out there and give the fans what they want and rock the goddamn mic!

Here's the kind of lyrics Tate relates too these days (Say U Luv It from his new solo album):

Would you like something thick - u say u luv it

It's tight around your ankle and your neck - plastic wrap lots of oh oh oh uh

Now my kisses make u feel a little better won't you take my pain, take the pain, take the pain
There's one thing to say.... UH! Just say u luv it

thejokeriv wrote:

Here's the kind of lyrics Tate relates too these days (Say U Luv It from his new solo album):

Would you like something thick - u say u luv it

It's tight around your ankle and your neck - plastic wrap lots of oh oh oh uh

Now my kisses make u feel a little better won't you take my pain, take the pain, take the pain
There's one thing to say.... UH! Just say u luv it

DeGarmo's lyrics dont look childish when compared to the above:

In the dead of night
She'll come and take you away
Searing beams of light and thunder
Over blackened plains she will find her way
Flying high through the night
she will hide your gate
As she takes your soul from uder
And the blinding light of the castle fades

There is no escape
It's the ending of your precious life
Your soul slips away
It belongs to the Queen of the Ryche
Yeah, she's coming for you

You're fading away
You life cast astray
A victim of the beast shall obtain
The light will not shine
For you'll die tonight at her shrine
And black is the last thing you'll see

Over and over
Drams of dying fill your head
It's the sign of the cross that you'll find ahead
No one will answer
Your life is fading away
Captive souls are screaming out in pain

There is no escape
It's the ending of your precious life
Your soul slips away
It belongs to the Queen of the Ryche
You're fading away. No, no, no
The Queen of the Ryche
You're slipping away, yeah
The Queen of the Ryche

Rather hear Queen of the Ryche than something about bondage....

And the exodus from Geoff Tate's Queesnryche starring Geoff Tate, the original voice begins:

Former MEGADETH and KING DIAMOND guitarist Glen Drover has left the Geoff Tate-fronted version of QUEENSRŸCHE before playing a single show with the band. He says in a statement, "I am really sorry to say that I have decided to bow out of Geoff Tate's QUEENSRŸCHE. I was very excited about doing this gig initially, but learned in the past week or so that it's in my best interest not to do this right now. I feel really bad for those who were excited about the idea, and to Geoff himself, who, I have to say, was very nice to me on my past trip to Seattle. I, of course, am very disappointed for arriving at this point, and making this decision, to say the least. I sincerely wish the Geoff and the band all the luck on what they do in the future."


http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=182687

Shocking. And did it really say: the Geoff? It fits.

thejokeriv wrote:

And the exodus from Geoff Tate's Queesnryche starring Geoff Tate, the original voice begins:

Former MEGADETH and KING DIAMOND guitarist Glen Drover has left the Geoff Tate-fronted version of QUEENSRŸCHE before playing a single show with the band. He says in a statement, "I am really sorry to say that I have decided to bow out of Geoff Tate's QUEENSRŸCHE. I was very excited about doing this gig initially, but learned in the past week or so that it's in my best interest not to do this right now. I feel really bad for those who were excited about the idea, and to Geoff himself, who, I have to say, was very nice to me on my past trip to Seattle. I, of course, am very disappointed for arriving at this point, and making this decision, to say the least. I sincerely wish the Geoff and the band all the luck on what they do in the future."


http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=182687

i guess the Geoff reinforced the idea that Drover would be an employee working for him and Susan.

I don't remember if I mentioned this before here or not


Back in like 2006 or 2007, Queensryche played at one of the local Indian Casinos in my stomping grounds (Northern California)

A buddy of mine was outside a door smoking something and a van pulled up. A guy got out of the van in a big hurrry and stuck one of those electronic signature things in his face and said sign. (He was two sheets to the wind at the time) The guy then got a box out of the van and set it down beside my buudy and drove off. He opened the box and it was full of Queensryche t shirts for the show.


He came over and let me pick one out. I chose a single sided black one with the logo from the E.P on it. I still laugh my @$$ off thinking about it. My buddy is Latino with alot of prison tat's. Never figured out why the delivery driver thought he was with the band.

S.D. wrote:

I guess I can understand how some people could take it that way, but I see it at as Tate criticizing himself (since he probably wrote those lyrics in the first place) and his writing skills when he was younger. I've read interviews with many artists over the years that are embarrassed by some of their earlier work...I don't think it is that uncommon. People change, they grow up, their viewpoints and priorities evolve, a song that meant something to you at age 20 might seem alien to you at age 40 (for example).

The "cult of 80s metal" is so damn inflexible though, the majority of the fanbase from that era seem to want their artists to all magically transport themselves back to that decade and never leave and don't dare ever try anything different. Other forms of music are the same way, I'm sure there are rap fans that long for the N.W.A./Public Enemy era and I know some jazz fans that only like stuff released during the late 50s and early 60s and don't want to hear anything recorded after 1964 or so.

Def Leppard has a similar outlook to they're early material, it's a case of disconnect between the band and the fans, though many people view On Through The Night as Lep's best work, the band themselves aren't particularly proud of that material, which some fans have a difficult time accepting. Personally I'm not bothered by they're decision to go commercial as Hysteria was my introduction to the band.

So I can understand Geoff not liking his earlier material as much as the fans do and wanting to write what he believes is more "mature" material. Albums like "Dedicated To Chaos" or "Hear In The Now Frontier" aren't as good as "The Warning" and "Mindcrime", but I still think they're decent albums in they're own right, they just don't sound like the Ryche we know and love, Tate would've been better off releasing them as solo albums.

Vexer6 wrote:

Def Leppard has a similar outlook to they're early material, it's a case of disconnect between the band and the fans, though many people view On Through The Night as Lep's best work, the band themselves aren't particularly proud of that material, which some fans have a difficult time accepting. Personally I'm not bothered by they're decision to go commercial as Hysteria was my introduction to the band.

If Def Leppard played "Rock Brigade" live, there would be 12 people in the audience who know that song. But they always play stuff as far back as High 'N' Dry, and not just "Bringin' on the Heartbreak." They do the more obscure tunes like the title cut, "Let It Go" and "Another Hit And Run" and "Mirror Mirror." They've done "Wasted" in recent years, too.



As you can hear, the crowd isn't really blowing the roof off the place.

a band like Def Leppard have so many hits and well known songs, it has to be hard for them to squeeze in a newer song, let alone a deep cut or tunes of 'On Through the Night'

Even The Stones play songs in their set, which I am sure they wish they could drop.

Eyesore wrote:

Vexer6 wrote:

Def Leppard has a similar outlook to they're early material, it's a case of disconnect between the band and the fans, though many people view On Through The Night as Lep's best work, the band themselves aren't particularly proud of that material, which some fans have a difficult time accepting. Personally I'm not bothered by they're decision to go commercial as Hysteria was my introduction to the band.

If Def Leppard played "Rock Brigade" live, there would be 12 people in the audience who know that song. But they always play stuff as far back as High 'N' Dry, and not just "Bringin' on the Heartbreak." They do the more obscure tunes like the title cut, "Let It Go" and "Another Hit And Run" and "Mirror Mirror." They've done "Wasted" in recent years, too.



As you can hear, the crowd isn't really blowing the roof off the place.

The last time I saw Def Leppard live, back in 2003, they opened up with 'Hello America' from On Through the Night. I was both surprised and happy.

This whole drama is leaving a bad taste in my mouth as far as Queensryche is concerned. Things like this make me hate the internet. Back in the day, all this would have happened in relative private and we'd never know how douchey our favorite musicians actually were.