National Socialist Black Metal - who listens to it?

GrandNational wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

I listen to Anarcho-Capitalist Black Metal.

The grim sounds of Rothbardian Praxeology

none is more tr00 than Dentian foobardulxy hypcrocratic black metal.

EmoElmo wrote:

What is it with Raw / bad production quality that's associated with most BM records? They say it adds attitude to it? Doesn't make any sense, you can't make a good thing out of a bad thing!

well, the values "good" and "bad" are arbitrary when applied to aesthetics. "good" production has benefits, that is undeniable, but those benefits serve a particular aesthetic, and "bad" production also has benefits, sometimes, but only sometimes, tied to the elimination of the particular "advantages" of "good" production that promote a certain aesthetic to form alternative principles of sound that contrast them and offer a distinct listening experience of a different aesthetic. i wouldnt say this is the best comparison, but you could argue for similarities found in the examination of the differences between, say, renaissance painting and postmodern abstract painting. different aesthetics requiring different tastes to appreciate and different analytical theories to critique.

rawr! wrote:

EmoElmo wrote:

What is it with Raw / bad production quality that's associated with most BM records? They say it adds attitude to it? Doesn't make any sense, you can't make a good thing out of a bad thing!

well, the values "good" and "bad" are arbitrary when applied to aesthetics. "good" production has benefits, that is undeniable, but those benefits serve a particular aesthetic, and "bad" production also has benefits, sometimes, but only sometimes, tied to the elimination of the particular "advantages" of "good" production that promote a certain aesthetic to form alternative principles of sound that contrast them and offer a distinct listening experience of a different aesthetic. i wouldnt say this is the best comparison, but you could argue for similarities found in the examination of the differences between, say, renaissance painting and postmodern abstract painting. different aesthetics requiring different tastes to appreciate and different analytical theories to critique.

Excellent take!

This is probably the most intelligent and meaningful post that I have read so far

rawr! wrote:

EmoElmo wrote:

What is it with Raw / bad production quality that's associated with most BM records? They say it adds attitude to it? Doesn't make any sense, you can't make a good thing out of a bad thing!

well, the values "good" and "bad" are arbitrary when applied to aesthetics. "good" production has benefits, that is undeniable, but those benefits serve a particular aesthetic, and "bad" production also has benefits, sometimes, but only sometimes, tied to the elimination of the particular "advantages" of "good" production that promote a certain aesthetic to form alternative principles of sound that contrast them and offer a distinct listening experience of a different aesthetic. i wouldnt say this is the best comparison, but you could argue for similarities found in the examination of the differences between, say, renaissance painting and postmodern abstract painting. different aesthetics requiring different tastes to appreciate and different analytical theories to critique.

That's the kind of stuff I like to hear! Thumbs up, bro!

The more I think about it, perhaps I would listen to this stuff if the music style was more akin to what I listen to. I'm not into black metal.

I listen to King Diamond and haven't chopped up any prostitutes for Satan. I can listen to Tourniquet and still enjoy a juicy steak. So why shoud Nazi propaganda be any different?

I guess I might have an issue with purchasing it and in theory, funding their cause and pushing their agenda. But then that reasoning could be used for any music purchases. Am I funding Dave Mustain's Anti-Obama stance by purchasing Megadeth albums? Am I in support of the Liberal media if I listen to the Foo Fighters? Am I pushing the Ga-y Rights agenda by listening to Judas Priest?

I'm probably over thinking this.

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The more I think about it, perhaps I would listen to this stuff if the music style was more akin to what I listen to.

I dunno about that...there was a thread around here some time ago about a White Power "true metal" band called Battlecry - complete with a couple of (unintentionally) hilarious video clips. They sounded like a mediocre Dio/Manowar cover band and the singer sported one of the most epic mullet/porn 'stache combos I've ever seen.

If that's the best the White Pride crowd can come up with, it'll be a while longer before they infiltrate the larger metal scene...

Fat Freddy wrote:

There was a thread around here some time ago about a White Power "true metal" band called Battlecry - complete with unintentionally hilarious video clips. They sounded like a bad Dio/Manowar cover band.

I say if that's the best the White Pride geeks can come up with, it'll be a while longer before they infiltrate the larger metal scene...

Yea, I remember them. It was pretty bad, so there's no worrys there. But if some good stoner or doom band came down the pike with questionable lyrics or ties to iffy organizations, and I dug the music, who's to say I wouldn't buy it? Just sayin.

Fat Freddy wrote:

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The more I think about it, perhaps I would listen to this stuff if the music style was more akin to what I listen to.

I dunno about that...there was a thread around here some time ago about a White Power "true metal" band called Battlecry - complete with a couple of (unintentionally) hilarious video clips. They sounded like a mediocre Dio/Manowar cover band and the singer sported one of the most epic mullet/porn 'stache combos I've ever seen.

If that's the best the White Pride crowd can come up with, it'll be a while longer before they infiltrate the larger metal scene...

I remember that thread. I remember a scene in one of their videos where they had a knob labeled "White Pride" and they turned it up all the way.

Required Fields wrote:

I remember that thread. I remember a scene in one of their videos where they had a knob labeled "White Pride" and they turned it up all the way.

Yeah, that was a hoot. It reminded me of the old TV commercials for the "Freedom Rock" album. "Hey man, is that WHITE PRIDE?" "Yeah, man!" "WELL, TURN IT UP, MAAAAAAAN!"

I like how there is more anti-black metal sentiment here than anti-NS sentiment.

Orion Crystal Ice wrote:

I like how there is more anti-black metal sentiment here than anti-NS sentiment.

I kinda thought it went without sayin'.

I saw a documentary on HBO's "America Undercover" years ago about the White Power music scene and the people they interviewed were such drooling, knuckle draggin' morons that even if their bands made the best music ever heard -- which they don't -- I wouldn't give any of'em my money.

Fat Freddy wrote:

Orion Crystal Ice wrote:

I like how there is more anti-black metal sentiment here than anti-NS sentiment.

I kinda thought it went without sayin'.

I saw a documentary on HBO's "America Undercover" years ago about the White Power music scene and the people they interviewed were such drooling, knuckle draggin' morons that even if their bands made the best music ever heard -- which they don't -- I wouldn't give any of'em my money.

Agree with you 100% - I will never give any of my money to support that racist sh!t

MetalGuy71 wrote:

The more I think about it, perhaps I would listen to this stuff if the music style was more akin to what I listen to. I'm not into black metal.

I listen to King Diamond and haven't chopped up any prostitutes for Satan. I can listen to Tourniquet and still enjoy a juicy steak. So why shoud Nazi propaganda be any different?

I guess I might have an issue with purchasing it and in theory, funding their cause and pushing their agenda. But then that reasoning could be used for any music purchases. Am I funding Dave Mustain's Anti-Obama stance by purchasing Megadeth albums? Am I in support of the Liberal media if I listen to the Foo Fighters? Am I pushing the Ga-y Rights agenda by listening to Judas Priest?

I'm probably over thinking this.

It's difficult to precisely determine and predict how your contributions are going to be used, or even to measure accurately to what extent it will harm/benefit the person and those around them. As far as differences of opinion go, there are obviously some which are considered worse to me than others, so depending on what it is, I'd be generally forgiving of it. But some are just not acceptable.

Never, ever.

Fat Freddy wrote:

Orion Crystal Ice wrote:

I like how there is more anti-black metal sentiment here than anti-NS sentiment.

I kinda thought it went without sayin'.

I saw a documentary on HBO's "America Undercover" years ago about the White Power music scene and the people they interviewed were such drooling, knuckle draggin' morons that even if their bands made the best music ever heard -- which they don't -- I wouldn't give any of'em my money.

I'm not sure if they were a part of it (I imagine they were), but one of the well known white power music groups had a frontman whose lead singer was imprisoned, and when he got out, the band split up and the singer formed a new band that had members who were black and Jewish.

I avoid overly satanic music because of the subject matter and this would be no different. I'm not a fan of hatred towards any people whether it's for religion, sex, or race. I will not have my money going to support those kind of people.

I'm not into black metal, so needless to say I couldn't care less about it

I enjoy black metal, but I've never really checked out this stuff.

Being that I am a bit off white I will pass

A thread about black metal?

I guess I have to say I listen to it, because I have a couple of songs that I downloaded. Never once bothered to check out the lyrics, heck I could barely tell you the lyrics to some of my favorite bands, it's just not my thing. I don't search this stuff out either. There's plenty of other bands that sound like them and don't have those kind of lyrics.

I will say though, that if it was another style of music where you could actually understand what they were saying, I would probably pass.

I like black metal, but I don't have much experience with NSBM. Probably the closest I get to that is either Octinomos or Arghoslent. Octinimos is pure misanthropic black metal. Basically the guy hates everyone. Good music. Arghoslent is a unique band that is musically somewhere between death metal and heavy metal. Totally amazing music on their albums Hornets of the Pogrom and Incorrigible Bigotry. I mean, Incorrigible Bigotry must be among my top 20 favorite albums. I guess they sing about history with a racist slant. I really haven't read their lyrics. You can pick up lines here and there.

The thing that trips me out is how metalheads will be all up in arms about Arghoslent's lyrics, but will not bat an eye about horrible porn gore crap.

Anyway, I don't mean to defend the views of Arghoslent, but how often do any of us who listen to metal agree with and condone the lyrics of the music we listen to?

AchrisK wrote:

horrible porn gore crap

lol i love that stuff too.

DallasBlack wrote:

I avoid overly satanic music because of the subject matter and this would be no different. I'm not a fan of hatred towards any people whether it's for religion, sex, or race. I will not have my money going to support those kind of people.

Yeah, because buying a Mayhem album will probably contribute to summoning Satan to the Earth and starting an apocalypse...And buying a NSBM album would probably contribute to a secret project to resurrect Hitler and open up secret death camps in the world. Yeah right.

Joe wrote:

A thread about black metal?

there should be one

TheGreatDuck wrote:

DallasBlack wrote:

I avoid overly satanic music because of the subject matter and this would be no different. I'm not a fan of hatred towards any people whether it's for religion, sex, or race. I will not have my money going to support those kind of people.

Yeah, because buying a Mayhem album will probably contribute to summoning Satan to the Earth and starting an apocalypse...And buying a NSBM album would probably contribute to a secret project to resurrect Hitler and open up secret death camps in the world. Yeah right.

Where the hell did I say that! Read what I post and don't put words into my mouth kid. I don't think anything I listen to will change who I am but I just refuse to listen to certain subject matter. Tons of black metal bands HATE Christians and what we stand for (some of them even act violently towards Christians and desecrate our churches), so why the hell would I give them the time of day or any of my hard earned (very hard earned, I work my ass off) money? There are people (HoM members) who will not buy Ted Nugent albums because of his politics. I highly doubt they think listening to him will turn them into an NRA conservative.