Vivian Campbell resurrecting the Dio band?

Troublezone wrote:

Dio had a great voice, but it wasn't the only reason people bought his albums. Viv's guitar playing had a lot to do with Dio's early and greatest success.

I don't know. I mean I enjoyed Viv's playing, but I think there were a gaggle of guitarists at the time that could have played the same or better...

Starting to sound like the Ozzy debacles with royalties, guitar players and controlling wives.

Just my 2 cents.

And if Viv and the others in the band are credited as co-writers isn't that warrent for them to get royalties?

Clearly, Viv is a genius songwriter. I mean, look at all the fantastic and memorable stuff he wrote post-Dio. Oh wait....

Straw man! Didn't say he was a genius. But he was important.

And Dio and Viv needed each other for the magic to work. Or at least a guitarist with some songwriting ability. Goldy, Robertson, Aldritch didn't have it. Nor does your run-of-the-mill "shredder".

There are a lot of great singers in metal who went pretty much unnoticed because the songs weren't great. The Dio solo band was living off past glories after Viv left.

You could replace Tipton in JUDAS PRIEST with Paul Gilbert but can he write as well? I don't think so.

I think the Tracy G. lineup wrote some good songs, that Tracy G/Pilson/Dio writing team worked well together. Those two albums (Strange Highways, Angry Machines) sound more distinctive to me than the ones directly surrounding them.

Yeah, I like that stuff a lot too. But the fans didn't accept the style change.

Temple of Blood wrote:

Straw man! Didn't say he was a genius. But he was important.

And Dio and Viv needed each other for the magic to work. Or at least a guitarist with some songwriting ability. Goldy, Robertson, Aldritch didn't have it. Nor does your run-of-the-mill "shredder".

There are a lot of great singers in metal who went pretty much unnoticed because the songs weren't great. The Dio solo band was living off past glories after Viv left.

You could replace Tipton in JUDAS PRIEST with Paul Gilbert but can he write as well? I don't think so.

That's not a straw man by the way. That's a logical extension of your argument. If anything you use straw man arguments such as: - when did I argue that Ronnie's voice was the reason for their success? The plain fact is that you have NO idea if Viv or anyone else in Dio was "wronged." Viv had a chance to pursue his available remedies. He chose not to and instead whines about it to this day. Boo-hoo. Also, this concept that Viv was such a babe in the woods that he was tricked by the mean old man Dio and his evil wife Wendy is preposterous. Viv had the presence of mind to jump to the mega-popular Whitesnake (for which he re-recorded a grand total of one solo) and then onto the even more popular Def Leppard where he has done nothing of note. He seems pretty business savy to me.

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this concept that Viv was such a babe in the woods that he was tricked by the mean old man Dio and his evil wife Wendy

S.D. wrote:

I think the Tracy G. lineup wrote some good songs, that Tracy G/Pilson/Dio writing team worked well together. Those two albums (Strange Highways, Angry Machines) sound more distinctive to me than the ones directly surrounding them.

I think they sound more like his Sabbath output...I like both of those albums.

Just announced that this is a TRIBUTE band called Last in Line...now I am okay with it...legally & morally...carry on...

NYCAnt wrote:

Just announced that this is a TRIBUTE band called Last in Line...now I am okay with it...legally & morally...carry on...

What the hell else was it going to be? You didn't think they were going to call it "Dio" did you?

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

S.D. wrote:

I think the Tracy G. lineup wrote some good songs, that Tracy G/Pilson/Dio writing team worked well together. Those two albums (Strange Highways, Angry Machines) sound more distinctive to me than the ones directly surrounding them.

I think they sound more like his Sabbath output...I like both of those albums.

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some of his heaviest material right there.

mc666 wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

S.D. wrote:

I think the Tracy G. lineup wrote some good songs, that Tracy G/Pilson/Dio writing team worked well together. Those two albums (Strange Highways, Angry Machines) sound more distinctive to me than the ones directly surrounding them.

I think they sound more like his Sabbath output...I like both of those albums.

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some of his heaviest material right there.

IMO, those were the two "Sabbathy" Dio albums...put Dehumanizer and Strange Highways back to back and they fit together, IMO.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

NYCAnt wrote:

Just announced that this is a TRIBUTE band called Last in Line...now I am okay with it...legally & morally...carry on...

What the hell else was it going to be? You didn't think they were going to call it "Dio" did you?

I thought the name Padavona had a nice ring to it

mc666 wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

S.D. wrote:

I think the Tracy G. lineup wrote some good songs, that Tracy G/Pilson/Dio writing team worked well together. Those two albums (Strange Highways, Angry Machines) sound more distinctive to me than the ones directly surrounding them.

I think they sound more like his Sabbath output...I like both of those albums.

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some of his heaviest material right there.

Agreed, which is why I dig it so much. I also think "Dying In America" is one of Ronnie's very best tunes.

manny wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

NYCAnt wrote:

Just announced that this is a TRIBUTE band called Last in Line...now I am okay with it...legally & morally...carry on...

What the hell else was it going to be? You didn't think they were going to call it "Dio" did you?

I thought the name Padavona had a nice ring to it

LOL!!!!

Vivian is not going to get richer off this. He probably make more off one Def Lep show than he will on all the shows this tribute band does

Have their been any comments yet from Wendy or Dio Disciples about this? I think this effectively puts the Disciples out of business.

ultmetal wrote:

S.D. wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

I began listening to Def Leppard in the late 80s. I never thought they were a metal band, even when I went back and got their earlier albums. Metallica was metal to me, so Def Leppard was in no way "metal" to my ears.

Agreed. Def Leppard never seemed remotely "metal" to me.  They are a rock band, plain and simple.

They were metal to me. I discovered them at the same time as bands like Saxon and Motorhead in the early 80's. Metalshop on WMMR (or was it WYSP?) use to play Wasted and Rock Brigade. I also discovered Yngwie Malmsteen from that show. They use to play Steeler and the Metalshop 'sound' was the buzzsaw guitar thing that Ynqwie did. Anyhow, to me and my friends, Def Leppard were metal in those early days. Metallica weren't even around yet and when they were, theye were a thrash band. Judas Priest, Saxon, Motorhead, Def Leppard, Iron Maiden, Raven, UFO, Venom, Tygers, etc. were all British heavy metal.

DL rode the Metal train when it was trendy and jumped ship once they realized it was better for them to be rock n roll. I don't disagree with what your saying, cause back in the day, I put them in the same boat, just not today. Had that Steeler album before I heard Metal Shop and used to brag to all the fella's about how that was Yngwie. Cheap shot at glory, but ya gotta get where you can.  

journeyman wrote:

DL rode the Metal train when it was trendy and jumped ship once they realized it was better for them to be rock n roll.  

Dear lord...that is just so incorrect and cliche. Dl were just playing f'n music. If they "rode" anything, it was getting any attention at all.

Nobody complains when Ozzy or Iommi turn up their noses at the term "metal", but when DL does it suddenly they're posers.

 

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journeyman wrote:

Nobody complains when Ozzy or Iommi turn up their noses at the term "metal", but when DL does it suddenly they're posers.

 

Metalheads is so stupid.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

journeyman wrote:

DL rode the Metal train when it was trendy and jumped ship once they realized it was better for them to be rock n roll.  

Dear lord...that is just so incorrect and cliche. Dl were just playing f'n music. If they "rode" anything, it was getting any attention at all.

Nobody complains when Ozzy or Iommi turn up their noses at the term "metal", but when DL does it suddenly they're posers.

 

I seem to remember DL, not having any problem or issue with being in Circus, Hit Parader, Metal Edge, etc along side Maiden, Saxon and Motley Crue when it suited them. They did nothing to dispel the Metal tag and only did so once they made their return after the accident. That was my only point. I'm not arguing the metal tag or even complaining about them doing what they did, just that perception was way different back then and yeah things have changed quite a bit. I personally have no earthly idea what metal is today. I was merely agreeing with the idea that back in the early 80's, many bands went along with the metal tag, but back then metal was, in my opinion the battle cry of rebellion of us youth who needed our "own" music which separated us from our parents. I remember it sounding cool and tough to say "yup, heavy metal, man, to the core!!!" I'm no longer cool, young or tough, so I don't talk about being metal anymore. I never called DL posers and have no problem with what they are doing. Maybe I didn't say it correctly, but I wasn't at all cracking on DL.

You know who else was in Circus & Hit Parader? Fleetwood Mac, Pat Benatar, Stevie Nicks, Billy Squier, Bryan Adams, John Cougar, The Cars, Blondie....none of them are Metal.

My comment wasn't necessarily aimed at you personally as much as the idea/sentiment that DL somehow intentionally "rode Metal" to fame and fortune then suddenly turned poser. That's just not the case. You are definitely not the only person who has put that forth.

They played loud rock and roll with harmonies from the very beginning, emulating their heroes and not trying to "be Metal". What magazines covered them and what the press labelled them and what other bands pics they were placed next to is irrelevant. They probably didn't care enough at 19 to give a damn what people called them as long as they could do their thing but after 30 years it may have gotten a little old. Now that they say "we were never Metal" (the same sentiment repeated over and over by the likes of Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin & Deep Purple) suddenly DL are opportunistic posers that "rode" our beloved genre then bailed...how dare they!!

The whole idea is just stupid.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

...Now that they say "we were never Metal" (the same sentiment repeated over and over by the likes of Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin & Deep Purple) suddenly DL are opportunistic posers that "rode" our beloved genre then bailed...how dare they!!

The whole idea is just stupid.

agree completely.

journeyman wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

...Now that they say "we were never Metal" (the same sentiment repeated over and over by the likes of Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin & Deep Purple) suddenly DL are opportunistic posers that "rode" our beloved genre then bailed...how dare they!!

The whole idea is just stupid.

agree completely.

This one has been following them around forever, they earned the tag NWOBHM sellouts without ever being a NWOBHM band. I don't really care what they class themselves as, they still suck!

 

I understand to a point groups not wanting to be pigeonholed but I don't understand them saying they were never metal just like I don't understand Iommi or the others doing it? Are they embarrassed by it?