Guardian on the Kickstarter bandwagon.......

Infinite wrote:

Whoa! Jamie's approaching Jon Oliva proportions!

I remember when I saw the Cornerstone DVDs from 2001 that he was getting quite big but not Jon Oliva big. However, the vocalist from Sacred Warrior was already there at that time.

Stender wrote:

MetalGuy71 wrote:

manny wrote:

That is amazing I never even heard of Guardian til I joined this board, IMO why did these guys make their goal and not Vixen?

Not to stereotype or disparage anyone, but could it be the Christian connection? Seems like a common thread amongst those bands that are making their quota are or had a Christian affiliation at some point. Perhaps, and this is just speculation on my part, other Christians are more likely to donate to "help spread the word" than a secular band just looking for a hand-out.

I think you're on to something probably, it seems like people involved in the Christian scene will spend money on just about anything Christian or a Christian alternative to what they were listening to that comes out (...or hasnt come out in this case).

I think its mostly people who like the previous stuff put out from those bands and think the new stuff will resemble the old material. The fans who actually give money are in the right demographic to remember the bands, have some disposable cash and want to hear more. I think the result would be a lot different with new bands who havent amassed a following.

Okay, this does it! I'm going to (ab)use Kickstarter for next Stormspell release too!

More crap incentives. How is it that $30 gets you the album, but $40 does not? Every pledge over a certain amount should get a physical copy of the album—CD or vinyl—plus more incentives.

Guardian will give you a CD and advance digital download for $30. For $40, you get an autographed drum stick—just one!—and digital download. A single drum stick costs $40? For $40, you should get everything $30 gets you plus a drum stick, etc.

Just noticed Luscious Jackson are doing one of these. A pledge of $12 got you the new CD. So I pledged. That's fair.

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I remember when I saw the Cornerstone DVDs from 2001 that he was getting quite big but not Jon Oliva big. However, the vocalist from Sacred Warrior was already there at that time.

In his column for Metal Edge years ago, Chris Jericho described Ray Parra of Sacred Warrior as "having the voices of Geoff Tate and Rob Halford rolled into one. Unfortunately, he also had the bodies of both of them rolled into one, because he tipped the scales at roughly 320."

Eyesore wrote:

Just noticed Luscious Jackson are doing one of these. A pledge of $12 got you the new CD. So I pledged. That's fair.

I dig Luscious Jackson but I am surprised for two reasons, 1) I thought they had disbanded, and 2) any number of any indie labels would snatch them, these gals were critically acclaimed, and not only that they actually managed to parlay that critical acclaim to modest album/CD sales back in 1990's

manny wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Just noticed Luscious Jackson are doing one of these. A pledge of $12 got you the new CD. So I pledged. That's fair.

I dig Luscious Jackson but I am surprised for two reasons, 1) I thought they had disbanded, and 2) any number of any indie labels would snatch them, these gals were critically acclaimed, and not only that they actually managed to parlay that critical acclaim to modest album/CD sales back in 1990's

Many indie labels don't fully pay for the whole package anymore...the bands has to cover certain expenses. For example, the label may ask the band to pay for tracking, the label will cover mix, master, press & promo. The label may ask the band to pay for tracking & mixing, then cover the rest, etc.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

manny wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Just noticed Luscious Jackson are doing one of these. A pledge of $12 got you the new CD. So I pledged. That's fair.

I dig Luscious Jackson but I am surprised for two reasons, 1) I thought they had disbanded, and 2) any number of any indie labels would snatch them, these gals were critically acclaimed, and not only that they actually managed to parlay that critical acclaim to modest album/CD sales back in 1990's

Many indie labels don't fully pay for the whole package anymore...the bands has to cover certain expenses. For example, the label may ask the band to pay for tracking, the label will cover mix, master, press & promo. The label may ask the band to pay for tracking & mixing, then cover the rest, etc.

Wow!!! Things have certainly changed!!! I take it tour support is almost non existent on indie labels now adays, would I be correct in that?

manny wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

manny wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Just noticed Luscious Jackson are doing one of these. A pledge of $12 got you the new CD. So I pledged. That's fair.

I dig Luscious Jackson but I am surprised for two reasons, 1) I thought they had disbanded, and 2) any number of any indie labels would snatch them, these gals were critically acclaimed, and not only that they actually managed to parlay that critical acclaim to modest album/CD sales back in 1990's

Many indie labels don't fully pay for the whole package anymore...the bands has to cover certain expenses. For example, the label may ask the band to pay for tracking, the label will cover mix, master, press & promo. The label may ask the band to pay for tracking & mixing, then cover the rest, etc.

Wow!!! Things have certainly changed!!! I take it tour support is almost non existent on indie labels now adays, would I be correct in that?

Pretty much. Your only "support" may come from how well you can plan and budget your own money to get you rolling while supplementing that w/ your per-show pay & merch sales along the way...then making sure you get paid once you get to the show.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

Pretty much. Your only "support" may come from how well you can plan and budget your own money to get you rolling while supplementing that w/ your per-show pay & merch sales along the way...then making sure you get paid once you get to the show.

...otherwise you end up like Lips in "Anvil! The Story of Anvil," getting into near fistfights with Eastern European bar owners...

How do young bands make money playing music in this type of climate? Indie labels and even major labels seem to more for distribution purposes then a legitimate way to make a living as a musician.

Where are the next bands that are going to have 30 plus years are going to come from, odds were always stacked against the bands, but not is seems the odds are even more remote, what is the music industry going to do when the veteran artist start retiring? Will there ever be a band that have long careers like the Stones or AC/DC or U2?

Tour, tour, tour. Play anywhere and everywhere. Build a cult following. It's not easy, but that's the only way I can see it happening anymore.

manny wrote:

How do young bands make money playing music in this type of climate? Indie labels and even major labels seem to more for distribution purposes then a legitimate way to make a living as a musician.

Where are the next bands that are going to have 30 plus years are going to come from, odds were always stacked against the bands, but not is seems the odds are even more remote, what is the music industry going to do when the veteran artist start retiring? Will there ever be a band that have long careers like the Stones or AC/DC or U2?

Young bands can live in a van and eat off the dollar menu for weeks/months at a time...that's the kinds of bands indie labels want.

There will never, ever be another AC/DC or U2 or Rolling Stones...bands who can sell out football stadiums/coliseums by themselves on their own name.

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

manny wrote:

How do young bands make money playing music in this type of climate? Indie labels and even major labels seem to more for distribution purposes then a legitimate way to make a living as a musician.

Where are the next bands that are going to have 30 plus years are going to come from, odds were always stacked against the bands, but not is seems the odds are even more remote, what is the music industry going to do when the veteran artist start retiring? Will there ever be a band that have long careers like the Stones or AC/DC or U2?

Young bands can live in a van and eat off the dollar menu for weeks/months at a time...that's the kinds of bands indie labels want.

There will never, ever be another AC/DC or U2 or Rolling Stones...bands who can sell out football stadiums/coliseums by themselves on their own name.

Maybe the Foo Fighters. They are the only "rock" band out there that seems to appeal to a wide enough audience. But yea, I think the days of big, stadium bands are numbered.

Fat Freddy wrote:

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I remember when I saw the Cornerstone DVDs from 2001 that he was getting quite big but not Jon Oliva big. However, the vocalist from Sacred Warrior was already there at that time.

In his column for Metal Edge years ago, Chris Jericho described Ray Parra of Sacred Warrior as "having the voices of Geoff Tate and Rob Halford rolled into one. Unfortunately, he also had the bodies of both of them rolled into one, because he tipped the scales at roughly 320."

I always liked Jericho's column in that magazine. After it was gone, I stopped buying Metal Edge and just read it in the store until they folded.

MetalGuy71 wrote:

Shawn Of Fire wrote:

manny wrote:

How do young bands make money playing music in this type of climate? Indie labels and even major labels seem to more for distribution purposes then a legitimate way to make a living as a musician.

Where are the next bands that are going to have 30 plus years are going to come from, odds were always stacked against the bands, but not is seems the odds are even more remote, what is the music industry going to do when the veteran artist start retiring? Will there ever be a band that have long careers like the Stones or AC/DC or U2?

Young bands can live in a van and eat off the dollar menu for weeks/months at a time...that's the kinds of bands indie labels want.

There will never, ever be another AC/DC or U2 or Rolling Stones...bands who can sell out football stadiums/coliseums by themselves on their own name.

Maybe the Foo Fighters. They are the only "rock" band out there that seems to appeal to a wide enough audience. But yea, I think the days of big, stadium bands are numbered.

I agree about Foo Fighters...

DallasBlack wrote:

I always liked Jericho's column in that magazine. After it was gone, I stopped buying Metal Edge and just read it in the store until they folded.

At the time Jericho's column was just about the only thing worth reading in that mag. At least someone there was still givin' props to Raven, Armored Saint, Stryper, etc. even though the mag was putting Kid Rock, K0rn and Rage Against the Machine on the cover every month.

Fat Freddy wrote:

DallasBlack wrote:

I always liked Jericho's column in that magazine. After it was gone, I stopped buying Metal Edge and just read it in the store until they folded.

At the time Jericho's column was just about the only thing worth reading in that mag. At least someone there was still givin' props to Raven, Armored Saint, Stryper, etc. even though the mag was putting Kid Rock, K0rn and Rage Against the Machine on the cover every month.

Yeah, it went the way of Hit Parader. If those magazines were to be believed, Slipknot was the second comming of Christ. Metal Maniacs was still pretty good but a lot harder to find.

Eyesore wrote:

More crap incentives. How is it that $30 gets you the album, but $40 does not? Every pledge over a certain amount should get a physical copy of the album—CD or vinyl—plus more incentives.

Guardian will give you a CD and advance digital download for $30. For $40, you get an autographed drum stick—just one!—and digital download. A single drum stick costs $40? For $40, you should get everything $30 gets you plus a drum stick, etc.

I agree. If I give more money, I want to get more stuff. Even the PBS stations do that when begging for cash.

exact33 wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

More crap incentives. How is it that $30 gets you the album, but $40 does not? Every pledge over a certain amount should get a physical copy of the album—CD or vinyl—plus more incentives.

Guardian will give you a CD and advance digital download for $30. For $40, you get an autographed drum stick—just one!—and digital download. A single drum stick costs $40? For $40, you should get everything $30 gets you plus a drum stick, etc.

I agree. If I give more money, I want to get more stuff. Even the PBS stations do that when begging for cash.

Geez, the both of you act like drum sticks grow on trees!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote="Shawn Of Fire"]

manny wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

Just noticed Luscious Jackson are doing one of these. A pledge of $12 got you the new CD. So I pledged. That's fair.

I dig Luscious Jackson but I am surprised for two reasons, 1) I thought they had disbanded, and 2) any number of any indie labels would snatch them, these gals were critically acclaimed, and not only that they actually managed to parlay that critical acclaim to modest album/CD sales back in 1990's

I think a band with their experience and industry contacts and all that can do it independently, much easier than a younger, more inexperienced band.

Plus, I don't know how far beyond "making an album" this will go. These gals are much older now, have families and kids, so I don't know if they'll be doing a world tour or anything, you know. So Kickstarter is perfect in that regard.

But they definitely could have gone to a major label if they'd wanted to.

manny wrote:

exact33 wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

More crap incentives. How is it that $30 gets you the album, but $40 does not? Every pledge over a certain amount should get a physical copy of the album—CD or vinyl—plus more incentives.

Guardian will give you a CD and advance digital download for $30. For $40, you get an autographed drum stick—just one!—and digital download. A single drum stick costs $40? For $40, you should get everything $30 gets you plus a drum stick, etc.

I agree. If I give more money, I want to get more stuff. Even the PBS stations do that when begging for cash.

Geez, the both of you act like drum sticks grow on trees!!!!!!!!!!!!!

manny wrote:

exact33 wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

More crap incentives. How is it that $30 gets you the album, but $40 does not? Every pledge over a certain amount should get a physical copy of the album—CD or vinyl—plus more incentives.

Guardian will give you a CD and advance digital download for $30. For $40, you get an autographed drum stick—just one!—and digital download. A single drum stick costs $40? For $40, you should get everything $30 gets you plus a drum stick, etc.

I agree. If I give more money, I want to get more stuff. Even the PBS stations do that when begging for cash.

Geez, the both of you act like drum sticks grow on trees!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well they are made of wood so technically speaking....

exact33 wrote:

manny wrote:

exact33 wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

More crap incentives. How is it that $30 gets you the album, but $40 does not? Every pledge over a certain amount should get a physical copy of the album—CD or vinyl—plus more incentives.

Guardian will give you a CD and advance digital download for $30. For $40, you get an autographed drum stick—just one!—and digital download. A single drum stick costs $40? For $40, you should get everything $30 gets you plus a drum stick, etc.

I agree. If I give more money, I want to get more stuff. Even the PBS stations do that when begging for cash.

Geez, the both of you act like drum sticks grow on trees!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well they are made of wood so technically speaking....

I thought he was joking. If he wasn't, what a douche.