Vinnie Vincent

I used to like VVI quite a bit more than I do nowadays. The problem I always found with Vinnie Vincent's Invasion albums is they were a bit too over the top with a novelty factor that quickly wears off.

VVI's two albums are kinda like Nitro's two albums - both bands played this over the top glam style and both had very over the top image competing almost for the biggest hair and the most use of make up on a male musician.

I tend to like Nitro a bit better and I find myself listening to O.F.R. a bit more often than I do to any of Vinnie Vincent's albums. There's nothing particularly bad about either bands except the songs kinda get old and dull after repeated plays. The biggest issue however is that both bands were more about showing off how well those musicians played rather than how good their songwriting skills were. In a way it made both Nitro and VVI look like parodies of themselves.

We all have "issues"

Some more than others

With all that aside, give the man some credit.

He can play guitar quite well
He can write songs
AND................................He saved KISS

(IMHO) of course

James B. wrote:

We all have "issues"

Some more than others

With all that aside, give the man some credit.

He can play guitar quite well
He can write songs
AND................................He saved KISS

(IMHO) of course

I agree

Pinched this from another forum... it seems that, for some unGodly reason, Vinnie Vincent is planning to re-record the Invasion's "ALL SYSTEMS GO"

Vinnie Vincent Plans To Re-Record 'All Systems Go' Album

July 4, 2011

Former KISS guitarist Vinnie Vincent has plans to re-record the 'All Systems Go' album. Originally released in 1988 with Mark Slaughter on vocals, Vincent wants to release the album the way it should have been recorded -- with the Vincent production, inclusive of all guitars, bass and vocals which would bring back the ferocious over the top sound of the first Vinnie Vincent Invasion, with Robert Fleishman on vocals.

After quitting Kiss following the 'Lick It Up', Vinnie Vincent recorded and produced a demo containing the songs "Boyz Are Gonna Rock" "Shoot U Full of Love" and No Substitute." Vincent played guitars and bass on all the tracks and Myron Grumbacker played drums. Vincent heard a demo of Robert Fleishman and knew he found the perfect vocalist for his music. Robert was asked to sing on the three song demo Vinnie had recorded. Fleischman and Vincent's chemistry was unmatched. Chrysalis Records New York heard the demo and called Vincent in L.A. With Vincent's demo blaring in the background, Chrysalis asked Vincent to fly to New York immediately stating they were anxious to sign Vincent as a solo artist.

After months of negotiating, an eight album $4 million deal was born. The common misconception was that a 'band' was signed to the label, however, it was Vincent who was signed exclusively to Chrysalis as a 'solo artist' off the power of his demo. Vincent began recording and the end result was 'Vinnie Vincent Invasion'. A virtual powerhouse of great songs, in your face over the top guitar, great layered intricate harmonies and piercing vocals, 'Vinnie Vincent Invasion' exploded onto rock radio and became the fastest selling debut album in the history of Chrysalis Records. The name Vinnie Vincent Invasion was actually the name of the solo album which Vincent evolved into a band name. However, despite Vincent's enormous efforts to fit Robert into his contract, Chrysalis, failing to know a good thing when they saw it, destroyed the chemistry, letting Fleischman go unrewarded forcing him to resign.

Vincent, disheartened, was forced under duress to tour in support of his explosive 'Vinnie Vincent Invasion' with a replacement singer who Vincent felt was woefully substandard to the quality which Vincent had not only strived for in his music, evidenced by the first Vinnie Vincent Invasion album. Watching the quality of his music sinking, Vincent began losing interest in the teeny bopper image that began replacing his original heavy metal vision. Vincent nonetheless moved ahead in order to try and make it work, despite his loss of heart.

Vincent began writing songs for the "All Systems Go" album the follow up to 'Vinnie Vincent Invasion'. Once the recording sessions were underway, it became painfully evident the production, sound and lead vocals were simply poor, lackluster and pale in comparison to Vinnie's first Vinnie Vincent Invasion. Vincent knew he should have aborted the entire project, which included the 'All Systems Go' recording sessions, fired all the salaried employees, and regrouped with Fleischman, following the same recording paths of his original demos, with Vinnie on guitars and bass, but it was too late. 'All Systems Go' was released to Vinnie's dismay.

With a dramatic change in Chrysalis management, Vincent was saddled with a situation he had no belief in. Vincent made the conscious decision in 1988 to disband the "group" after his disenchantment with 'All Systems Go' and with Chrysalis's new management decision to pander to the "music fad." In late 1988 Vincent, refused to extend Chrysalis the contractual option for a third Vinnie Vincent Invasion record when Chrysalis accidentally breached their option deadline to renew Vincent's contract in late September 1989. Chrysalis's contract with Vincent had a leaving member clause and option on the salaried employees Vincent used as band mates. Left without Vinnie Vincent under contract, and attempting to capitalize on Vinnie Vincent and Vinnie Vincent Invasion, Chrysalis picked up the option on two remaining employees. The rumors that Vincent was kicked out of his own band was baseless internet gossip, rumor and hearsay, having absolutely no basis in fact.

In 1991, British heavy metal magazine "Kerrang" voted the first 'Vinnie Vincent Invasion' album #100 of the 100 best heavy metal albums of ALL TIME. The Vinnie Vincent Invasion is now a Youtube favorite, whose Vinnie Vincent compositons include, "Boyz Are Gonna Rock", Shoot U Full Of Love" "Animal" "Love Kills" "Ashes To Ashes" and many others which are now becoming discovered by a new generation of fans. In 1996 Vincent resurfaced to release a demo EP called 'Eurphoria' reuniting with original Vinnie Vincent Invasion vocalist Robert Fleischman and recorded the unreleased album 'Guitars From Hell'.

I read about that and think it's utterly STUPID! No new music from the guy fore decades and we get a re-recording of a record that doesn't need to be re-recorded? Ridiculous! I love Vinnie, but c'mon! Give us some new music or shut up!

It would be great to hear him team up with Bobby Rock again.

I wouldn't mind hearing All Systems Go with Fleischman on vocals. I have always felt that Mark Slaughter was the weaker of the 2 vocalists (one of the reasons I never liked Slaughter). I'd also like to see Euphoria re-released or something (bonus tracks on the new All Systems Go?). I've always wanted to hear that.

Sounds lazy and uninspired to me, but the dude probably has legal bills to pay after that recent "incident" at his home. Throw this re-recording out there to garner some interest from fans and labels, hopefully get some cash, then put out new music.

I never cared much for the original All Systems Go (not a Mark Slaughter fan), so I doubt this new one will interest me.

I gotta disagree with Vinnie here, I always thought Mark was a superior vocalist, Robert's vocals just never worked for me.

Glad anything will be released

Couldn't he just remix it with Robert's new vocals replacing Mark's(he never bothered me)?

Or does he not have access to the master tapes? It would be interesting to hear the difference.... release that other stuff, as well!

What a tragic waste of time, and talking about re-writing history, the first titled album was released, Robert was on the cover but was fired before the video was even filmed, why/ Because Fleischman did not look like a rock star, what a bunch of a bullsh!t

007 wrote:

I wouldn't mind hearing All Systems Go with Fleischman on vocals. I have always felt that Mark Slaughter was the weaker of the 2 vocalists (one of the reasons I never liked Slaughter). I'd also like to see Euphoria re-released or something (bonus tracks on the new All Systems Go?). I've always wanted to hear that.

Absolutely agree on all points!

The real issue is that with Robert singing....there woudn't of been lots of Betty's flashing boobs at the shows. Not that it's important or anything. Wasn't Robert a member of Journey for a bit? I know he co-wrote "wheel in the sky"

James B. wrote:

The real issue is that with Robert singing....there woudn't of been lots of Betty's flashing boobs at the shows. Not that it's important or anything. Wasn't Robert a member of Journey for a bit? I know he co-wrote "wheel in the sky"

Yeah very briefly. Less than a year I believe and never appeared on any recordings of theirs. Not sure what happened there although I'm sure Steve Perry's availability had alot to do with it.

007 wrote:

James B. wrote:

The real issue is that with Robert singing....there woudn't of been lots of Betty's flashing boobs at the shows. Not that it's important or anything. Wasn't Robert a member of Journey for a bit? I know he co-wrote "wheel in the sky"

Yeah very briefly. Less than a year I believe and never appeared on any recordings of theirs. Not sure what happened there although I'm sure Steve Perry's availability had alot to do with it.

There's also a full song on the Time 3 boxset that sounds pretty good. What is weird is that members of Journey were on Roberts first solo album. So, they really did not dislike each that much......... I guess.

chewie wrote:

007 wrote:

James B. wrote:

The real issue is that with Robert singing....there woudn't of been lots of Betty's flashing boobs at the shows. Not that it's important or anything. Wasn't Robert a member of Journey for a bit? I know he co-wrote "wheel in the sky"

Yeah very briefly. Less than a year I believe and never appeared on any recordings of theirs. Not sure what happened there although I'm sure Steve Perry's availability had alot to do with it.

There's also a full song on the Time 3 boxset that sounds pretty good. What is weird is that members of Journey were on Roberts first solo album. So, they really did not dislike each that much......... I guess.

Oh cool. I never heard anything off the Time3 set (always too expensive for me) but that's pretty awesome that's on there.

007 wrote:

chewie wrote:

007 wrote:

James B. wrote:

The real issue is that with Robert singing....there woudn't of been lots of Betty's flashing boobs at the shows. Not that it's important or anything. Wasn't Robert a member of Journey for a bit? I know he co-wrote "wheel in the sky"

Yeah very briefly. Less than a year I believe and never appeared on any recordings of theirs. Not sure what happened there although I'm sure Steve Perry's availability had alot to do with it.

There's also a full song on the Time 3 boxset that sounds pretty good. What is weird is that members of Journey were on Roberts first solo album. So, they really did not dislike each other that much......... I guess.

Oh cool. I never heard anything off the Time3 set (always too expensive for me) but that's pretty awesome that's on there.

The song "For You" is in the set and rerecorded for his solo album, Perfect Stranger.

It looks like he co-wrote 3 songs that ended up on Infinity:

"Anytime" - Robert Fleischman, Rolie, Schon, Roger Silver, Ross Valory
"Wheel in the Sky" - Fleischman, Schon, Diane Valory
"Winds of March" - N. Schon, Matt Schon, Fleischman, Perry, Rolie

probably posted elsewhere on this forum
from April,2014
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-long-kiss-goodbye-the-search-for-vinnie-vincent-20140408

I need to check out that Treasure LP still

Did anyone here get screwed on the Archives box set pre-orders he was doing back in the late 90s?

I really doubt this re-recording will happen, and there's been no indication that any label or anyone besides VV is interested/involved in getting this underway. The "statement" he issued was in response to the info on his wikipedia page.

glassprison wrote:

I really doubt this re-recording will happen, and there's been no indication that any label or anyone besides VV is interested/involved in getting this underway. The "statement" he issued was in response to the info on his wikipedia page.

Considering that the "announcement" was made three years ago and there hasn't been a peep since, I am inclined to agree.

chewie wrote:

007 wrote:

James B. wrote:

The real issue is that with Robert singing....there woudn't of been lots of Betty's flashing boobs at the shows. Not that it's important or anything.   Wasn't Robert a member of Journey for a bit? I know he co-wrote "wheel in the sky"

Yeah very briefly. Less than a year I believe and never appeared on any recordings of theirs. Not sure what happened there although I'm sure Steve Perry's availability had alot to do with it.

There's also a full song on the Time 3 boxset that sounds pretty good. What is weird is that members of Journey were on Roberts first solo album. So, they really did not dislike each that much......... I guess.

it really had nothing to do with them liking each other. Herbie Herbert made a management decision....he fired Fleischman, hired Perry, and told the band to live with it. The band did not want Perry...they wanted Fleischman.

[quote="Shawn Of Fire]Herbie Herbert [/quote]

Interviews with this guy are hilarious. I'm addicted to these behind-the-scenes rock-n-roll takes.

As successful as he was with Journey, he never got a #1 hit with them...that didn't come until Mr. Big.